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Post by blny on Jun 25, 2014 10:41:30 GMT -5
I don't like that at all, unless they have some other plan in mind. IMO, he's a pretty darn perfect third pair. RH, plays hard, blocks shots, kills penalties well, character.
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Post by jerry_dog on Jun 25, 2014 10:45:37 GMT -5
maybe it simply means M. Weaver has not received an offer 'yet'.
Hey ... they have to write about something ...
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 25, 2014 11:30:33 GMT -5
That's interesting. Would seem to suggest they have a plan for the blueline, and are sticking to it. Not sure what that plan is, but when you don't even negotiate with a guy who seems like a perfect fit...
While I'm disappointed, I guess we'll have to see what the final plan is. It's not like Weaver-type players can't be found at a later date. As great as he was for us in his role I think we can all agree we were just looking for him to be a 6th defenseman next year, if that. So I guess he's replaceable, or at the very least a Plan B should whatever they are hoping for not come to fruition.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 25, 2014 11:34:09 GMT -5
I don't like that at all, unless they have some other plan in mind. IMO, he's a pretty darn perfect third pair. RH, plays hard, blocks shots, kills penalties well, character. They plan on keeping Boullion because he makes MT happy.
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Post by jkr on Jun 25, 2014 12:05:42 GMT -5
I don't like that at all, unless they have some other plan in mind. IMO, he's a pretty darn perfect third pair. RH, plays hard, blocks shots, kills penalties well, character. They plan on keeping Boullion because he makes MT happy. Hard to call that a plan of any sort.
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Post by HabSolute on Jun 25, 2014 12:07:54 GMT -5
They plan on keeping Boullion because he makes MT happy. Hard to call that a plan of any sort. The same article now says that Bouillon didn't get any offer either.....
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 25, 2014 12:11:39 GMT -5
No Weaver? That is GREAT news. This means that the "rookie troika" insertion is in full force.
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 25, 2014 12:15:50 GMT -5
That's interesting. Would seem to suggest they have a plan for the blueline, and are sticking to it. Not sure what that plan is, but when you don't even negotiate with a guy who seems like a perfect fit... I was talking to Micheal yesterday and he said......"tell that BC guy no to worry, I have a plan. I'm going to whip MThead like a rented mule until he breaks in all the rookies". And oh yeah, he wants to know when you are going to give him that warm can of Coke you welched on.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 25, 2014 14:16:04 GMT -5
If we could get Stastny a center has to be traded. Most likely DD or Plekanec or both. But I see Stastny a long shot to sign here. After Kings success many clubs are pointing to their skill and depth down the middle as reason beating Hawks/Sharks/Ducks. Teams are coveting quality centers more than usual. Also like Stastny size over DD and Pleks and like don't have to give up assets to acquire while on other hand being able to receive top trade value for guys like Pleks or DD. But clubs like Hawks/Blues/Ducks/Leafs among others will be opening their wallets big for Stastny. I see no chance he chooses here. IMO, the Kings are just balanced. Not huge, but not small. Decent all around speed. They play hard, and they completely buy in to the system. Add in a great goalie and bang. If the Sharks had Quick, do they still lose that series (granted Quick was not good early in the series). Sharks are pretty deep up the middle. The Kings also played three 7 game series to get to the final. Gotta get some bounces for that to happen. Need other factors to be cup contender no doubt. But center is important position, some say most important in playoffs. As you need to roll the 4 lines. If a team is sendimg out Mike Richards as its 3rd line center, and opposition is sending out Handrus. Or sending out Jeff Carter as 2nd line center and other team is sending out Andrew Shaw. Then team like Kings have substantial advantage at a main position. Even if you have a Toews, great defense and outstanding goalie.
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Post by christrpn on Jun 25, 2014 16:09:44 GMT -5
This video shows some pretty decent hands imo. He can also score from various places. His speed is average to above average imo. Max is faster. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko6SCpTFrzMKane can highlight reel but not elite scorer. 55-60 points he's averged By himself on a Saperlipopettety hockey team
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Post by christrpn on Jun 25, 2014 17:12:15 GMT -5
Reading on Twitter(I know the value of what I read, interesting anyways) that Habs are in talks with Fla, not regarding #1pick, and that MB has contacted Moulson's camp. Also read that Habs and Gionta are nearing a 2yr $3M per deal.
Not sure I'm impressed with any of this info. Moulson is too expensive for what he brings, Gionta brings nothing and Fla has nothing of interest, other than Huberdeau and Barkov.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 25, 2014 22:02:24 GMT -5
Reading on Twitter(I know the value of what I read, interesting anyways) that Habs are in talks with Fla, not regarding #1pick, and that MB has contacted Moulson's camp. Also read that Habs and Gionta are nearing a 2yr $3M per deal. Not sure I'm impressed with any of this info. Moulson is too expensive for what he brings, Gionta brings nothing and Fla has nothing of interest, other than Huberdeau and Barkov. Gudbranson? Shoots right. Threw Ryan White around like a rag doll in one 'fight', I mean pummelling. I'd give him a close look.
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 25, 2014 22:29:56 GMT -5
Reading on Twitter(I know the value of what I read, interesting anyways) that Habs are in talks with Fla, not regarding #1pick, and that MB has contacted Moulson's camp. Also read that Habs and Gionta are nearing a 2yr $3M per deal. Not sure I'm impressed with any of this info. Moulson is too expensive for what he brings, Gionta brings nothing and Fla has nothing of interest, other than Huberdeau and Barkov. Gudbranson? Shoots right. Threw Ryan White around like a rag doll in one 'fight', I mean pummelling. I'd give him a close look. Why? We got Tinordi.... ...and Pateryn.... ...and Nygren.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 25, 2014 23:32:22 GMT -5
Well, one of them might be going back, huh? Besides, Gudbranson's a beast, and if you add him to Tinordi, your need for an ubergoon diminishes exponentially.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 26, 2014 0:10:02 GMT -5
What should MB do? Get Subban signed and then you know what you have left and what you need. Subban is great but he also has warts (like Cindy Crawford). $8 million, not $9 and 8 to 10 years.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 26, 2014 4:48:16 GMT -5
Reading on Twitter(I know the value of what I read, interesting anyways) that Habs are in talks with Fla, not regarding #1pick, and that MB has contacted Moulson's camp. Also read that Habs and Gionta are nearing a 2yr $3M per deal. Not sure I'm impressed with any of this info. Moulson is too expensive for what he brings, Gionta brings nothing and Fla has nothing of interest, other than Huberdeau and Barkov. Pierre Lebrun said on FAN they have contacted Boyle camp also. Said Gionta's agent thinks they will get something done but still apart on term and dollars. Can't see nothing big with Florida as we don't match up. Maybe Campbell? Like to sign a vet like Iglina or Alfredsson instead of a Moulson. Get just as much offense but on 1 year or 2 year deal. Been some rumours on twitter of bigger deal with Oilers also. After 3rd overall pick involving Plekanec and a defenseman.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 26, 2014 7:00:27 GMT -5
If we're talking Florida then I would think it would be for somebody like Scottie Upshall or Brad Boyes. The Panthers aren't going to be too keen to give up a young cornerstone like Grudbandson, so I think they would be more inclined to deal the vets/pending UFAs. Perhaps for somebody like Ryan White and/or a pick.
Neither is a particularly sexy acquisition, but they could be serviceable on the Desharnais line, chipping in 15-20 goals to go along with Pacioretty's 40 or so.
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2014 7:09:30 GMT -5
Could be Kulikov, as apparently interest had been expressed to the Panthers before.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 26, 2014 7:30:57 GMT -5
If we're talking Florida then I would think it would be for somebody like Scottie Upshall or Brad Boyes. The Panthers aren't going to be too keen to give up a young cornerstone like Grudbandson, so I think they would be more inclined to deal the vets/pending UFAs. Perhaps for somebody like Ryan White and/or a pick. Neither is a particularly sexy acquisition, but they could be serviceable on the Desharnais line, chipping in 15-20 goals to go along with Pacioretty's 40 or so. Gallant does know our team well. Maybe a Hab he values higher than rest of us.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 26, 2014 7:34:42 GMT -5
Could be Kulikov, as apparently interest had been expressed to the Panthers before. Could be....maybe we have a player Gallant likes more than us for Kulikov trade coming. If we get Kulikov sounds like another trade coming involving defenseman, Gorges or Elemin? Possibly to Oilers or Jets with Plekanec for Kane? Or for Oilers #3 overall pick? Both are solid trades I feel.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 26, 2014 8:31:58 GMT -5
Could be Kulikov, as apparently interest had been expressed to the Panthers before. Could be....maybe we have a player Gallant likes more than us for Kulikov trade coming. If we get Kulikov sounds like another trade coming involving defenseman, Gorges or Elemin? Possibly to Oilers or Jets with Plekanec for Kane? Or for Oilers #3 overall pick? Both are solid trades I feel. I can see Gorges going to the Oil, they need help on D and we have our future captain in PK. I would love to get Gudbranson, and he is from the Ottawa area, so Montreal is close to his family, but this trade will not happen. The Habs should have traded Gallant for Gudbranson.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 26, 2014 8:41:30 GMT -5
... Gionta brings nothing ... How so? Cheers.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 26, 2014 10:05:23 GMT -5
Again, plenty of options for Bergevin. He has good depth on defense, 2 NHL-ready and former 1st round picks in Beaulieu and Tinordi, plus some decent depth below that.
Surplus assets = good trade!
Eller and Tinordi for Tyler Myers Plekanec and Tinordi for James Neal Beaulieu and Gorges for David Perron
No more fussing around, Bergevin. I want Emelin back on the left side and I want either another top 4 dman who shoots right or another top 6 forward. They keys being top 4 and top 6. So far all I'm hearing is that we won't even offer Vanek a contract (why?), and we are moving to resign Gionta and possibly Bouillon?
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 26, 2014 10:27:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade within my division, Eller and Tinordi could haunt us for years, plus, what has Tyler Myers done? He's been on a loser team for so long that he may have forgotten how to win and what it takes.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 26, 2014 11:53:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade within my division, Eller and Tinordi could haunt us for years, plus, what has Tyler Myers done? He's been on a loser team for so long that he may have forgotten how to win and what it takes. The trade ideas are for illustrative purposes, but I think the main point is that Bergevin has options and I think he should use them. I know you need a trade partner, but I will be disappointed if this summer amounts to an exercise in tinkering.... take the draft picks, don't sign Vanek, sign Gionta, sign Weaver.... steady course. If I thought we had a built-in solution for sustained success, 240 goals, then I would be fine with Berg making fill-in and depth moves. But I think we are further away than that. We need more top end talent, we are losing Vanek, we were an awful even strength team last year - this is big summer, IMO.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 26, 2014 12:13:49 GMT -5
According to Renaud Lavoie, Gionta will be meeting other teams in the next few days to establish his value. Berg would like 2yrs/6mil...
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 26, 2014 12:31:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade within my division, Eller and Tinordi could haunt us for years, plus, what has Tyler Myers done? He's been on a loser team for so long that he may have forgotten how to win and what it takes. The trade ideas are for illustrative purposes, but I think the main point is that Bergevin has options and I think he should use them. I know you need a trade partner, but I will be disappointed if this summer amounts to an exercise in tinkering.... take the draft picks, don't sign Vanek, sign Gionta, sign Weaver.... steady course. If I thought we had a built-in solution for sustained success, 240 goals, then I would be fine with Berg making fill-in and depth moves. But I think we are further away than that. We need more top end talent, we are losing Vanek, we were an awful even strength team last year - this is big summer, IMO. I agree about Berg needing to be somewhat aggressive, we have some of the horses but we need more and Shetlands please (Gio) we have plenty already.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 26, 2014 12:31:38 GMT -5
According to Renaud Lavoie, Gionta will be meeting other teams in the next few days to establish his value. Berg would like 2yrs/6mil... I hope Gio signs elsewhere.
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2014 13:16:42 GMT -5
According to Renaud Lavoie, Gionta will be meeting other teams in the next few days to establish his value. Berg would like 2yrs/6mil... I hope Gio signs elsewhere. Ditto.
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Post by christrpn on Jun 26, 2014 16:28:16 GMT -5
MB has confirmed that Parros, Murray and Vanek will not be returning
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