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Post by UberCranky on Apr 22, 2014 22:27:50 GMT -5
I put on my HazMat suit and went to HF. You can cut the Hab hate with a knife!
I'm thriving on it. LOL!
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Post by stoat on Apr 22, 2014 22:48:16 GMT -5
There's nothing we can do about venomous posts on various sites but we can be proud that the Habs have advanced to the second round for the first time since 2010. I don't know what they'll do in the second round but at least they're there, defying the predictions of the envious hostile fans from Ontario. All those reptiles can do is claim that the Habs had an easy opponent and, for good measure, were favored by the officials. Well, why didn't the Leafs or Sens get to meet the Bolts? The Habs swept the Bolts, who happened to be the team that formally eliminated the Leafs but did them the favor of enabling them to get the #8 pick. (I hope they select a Fnuff clone.)
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Post by stoat on Apr 22, 2014 22:52:18 GMT -5
I put on my HazMat suit and went to HF. You can cut the Hab hate with a knife! I'm thriving on it. LOL! I'll bet they're as furious as Rumpelstiltskin when the princess told him she knew his name (after teasing him with her first two guesses).
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Post by UberCranky on Apr 22, 2014 23:00:33 GMT -5
Went over to the Blots forum. Apparently Callahan played lights out, "dominating" said one......and deserves 6-7 million.
Brilliant.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 22, 2014 23:08:14 GMT -5
Who? Sorry didn't notice him.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 23, 2014 10:45:01 GMT -5
I kinda saw a bit of myself in MacLean's comments last night....and I'm a bit embarrassed by it.
I used to assert Ontario/Toronto ref-bias when it came to Leafs' games. I produced PP/TSH and non-calls to support it....or so my Habs' glasses showed me.
It's one thing for a subjective fan to look for such things....but professional broadcasters should be objective. Anti-Habs sentiment ran throughout this series on HNIC...and it'll only get worse. From Hughson, Simpson...to Cherry, MacLean....anything but objective. That might as well have been a Tampa regional broadcast.
And to me, MacLean's comment raised a bigger question. Just how deep does the Habs' hatred go when a flagship national program called Hockey Night In Canada wants nothing to do with the ONLY Canadian-based team in the playoffs--and outwardly roots for them to lose?
To what depths will they sink? Stay tuned.
One thing's for sure: "Referee Bias" may exist.....but "HNIC Bias" certainly exists.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 23, 2014 13:00:19 GMT -5
What I find both enlightening and humourous is that McLean was always considered the 'balanced' one, especially in comparison to Cherry. I don't think his comments last night were a sudden brain cramp or lack of oxygen, there's something there that finally leaked out.
I listen to many broadcasts and I realize that many broadcasters, for job security reasons, have to be homers to some extent. The owner of the team, who has considerable pull with the broadcasting company will not tolerate a broadcaster who doesn't lean at least a little toward the home team. But Tampa's not McLean's or HNIC's home team. They're just another NHL team. That excuse doesn't wash with McLean. Nope, I suspect some deep, underlying feeling toward Montreal finally bubbled its way to the surface. Personally I think he should be gone. Not just for this, but for the pathetic way he handles Cherry. If it were me, there'd be a lot more yelling at Coach's Corner.
There was another example last night. Lindback was playing poorly and the possibility of a goaltending change is always there in those situations. Heck, I thought Gudlevskis should have been put in ages ago. I might even have started him in the first game. Why not play off the Latvia/Canada psychology? So Cherry mentions in the first period intermission that when he was a coach he changed Cheevers for Gilles Gilbert. (No mention firstly that the two were fairly equal in ability and were both experienced). No, Cherry states that "what's there to lose" putting in Gudlevskis. Duh. Really, Don? That's amazing logic. At the end of the game, they replay this bit and Cherry proclaims himself a genius and McLean is in full agreement. I would have Cherry throwing punches at me by saying, "a peewee coach could have made that decision. It was obvious to everyone, not just you, Don." That's entertainment!
McLean has lost any credibility he had. To top it off, he apologizes without apologizing and tries to rationalize his comments with some weird obfuscation (that's just for him and his stupid puns) that he thinks sounds like an apology. How about, "I was wrong, totally wrong and I apologize to all NHL referees, Stephen Walkom, the NHL head office and all hockey fans. It was a stupid thing to say".
Period.
That's an apology.
So now we know the real Ron McLean.
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Post by UberCranky on Apr 23, 2014 13:04:19 GMT -5
Entitled, arrogant, answers to no one. can say anything with impunity.
It goes back to the culture of CBC.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 23, 2014 13:31:19 GMT -5
But Tampa's not McLean's or HNIC's home team. They're just another NHL team. That excuse doesn't wash with McLean. Nope, I suspect some deep, underlying feeling toward Montreal finally bubbled its way to the surface. Right....the Leafs are HNIC's team. Which means.... ...no matter who Montreal is playing. It's been obvious for many years. The whole bunch of them are a collective national embarrassment....unless you're a Leaf fan or someone who hates the Habs. MacLean would never have dared to say an Ontario-born ref shouldn't do a similar Leafs' game....even though his "apology" intimated that he would. Back-pedalling garbage.
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Post by madhabber on Apr 23, 2014 13:32:31 GMT -5
So now you all know how Ron MacLean refs a game. He looks at the names on the back and calls penalties accordingly. Make sure your kids and grandkids never play a game he's involved with.
$100,000+ job. A good job that's not too hard to perform with all the benefits and pension. Throw that out the window in your rookie year so your favorite team can win a playoff game. Plus with that job, comes a chance of another post-career job if you can do something else (front office job or talk show job). Yah, makes perfect sense to the haters when rationalizing why Montreal advances and Tampa Bay doesn't. That's also why Toronto didn't make the playoffs. Too many French refs, not enough from fair, impartial and colour-blind downtown Toronto. You know like Ron MacLean.
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Post by jkr on Apr 23, 2014 14:05:00 GMT -5
So now you all know how Ron MacLean refs a game. He looks at the names on the back and calls penalties accordingly. Make sure your kids and grandkids never play a game he's involved with. $100,000+ job. A good job that's not too hard to perform with all the benefits and pension. Throw that out the window in your rookie year so your favorite team can win a playoff game. Plus with that job, comes a chance of another post-career job if you can do something else (front office job or talk show job). Yah, makes perfect sense to the haters when rationalizing why Montreal advances and Tampa Bay doesn't. That's also why Toronto didn't make the playoffs. Too many French refs, not enough from fair, impartial and colour-blind downtown Toronto. You know like Ron MacLean. Why does a moron like McLean assume that Quebec born people are Habs fans? Some might be old Nordiques fans & hate the Habs. Heck, my Quebec born francophone brother - in - law who grew up in Montreal in the fifties & sixties has always been a Bruins fans. I could never figure that one out.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 23, 2014 14:11:32 GMT -5
Heck, my Quebec born francophone brother - in - law who grew up in Montreal in the fifties & sixties has always been a Bruins fans. I could never figure that one out. And he's still alive? Ronnie would be shocked.
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Post by Bobs_HABit on Apr 23, 2014 14:54:12 GMT -5
I kinda saw a bit of myself in MacLean's comments last night....and I'm a bit embarrassed by it. I used to assert Ontario/Toronto ref-bias when it came to Leafs' games. I produced PP/TSH and non-calls to support it....or so my Habs' glasses showed me. It's one thing for a subjective fan to look for such things....but professional broadcasters should be objective. Anti-Habs sentiment ran throughout this series on HNIC...and it'll only get worse. From Hughson, Simpson...to Cherry, MacLean....anything but objective. That might as well have been a Tampa regional broadcast. And to me, MacLean's comment raised a bigger question. Just how deep does the Habs' hatred go when a flagship national program called Hockey Night In Canada wants nothing to do with the ONLY Canadian-based team in the playoffs--and outwardly roots for them to lose? To what depths will they sink? Stay tuned. One thing's for sure: "Referee Bias" may exist.....but "HNIC Bias" certainly exists. Agree throughout CH! I have to admit I too have used the old "oh look another ref from Guelph doing a Leaf's game." That said, I've always wondered about the "independent/impartial" Ron MacLean...and I was still in shock when he actually stated this last night. How many times has he defended officials (since he is one) over the years? With any other team but Montreal, I am confident he would have defended the disallowed goal from game 3. It's all a strange situation and the coverage on CBC is as bad as I have ever heard. With losing the future contract, have they finally lost it? I can only hope the Habs manage to sweep their beloved Bruins
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Post by UberCranky on Apr 23, 2014 15:13:19 GMT -5
There may be something to the contract angle. They got nothing to lose anymore so their true garbage can spill out.
Problem is that it's going beyond fan'dom and wading into race/group bias.
Couching it under third party "perception" doesn't fool anyone.
Great upside to me is that this gives CBC another black eye. The hollier then thou bs and arrogance got a kick in the head last night.
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Post by franko on Apr 23, 2014 15:25:30 GMT -5
There may be something to the contract angle. They got nothing to lose anymore so their true garbage can spill out. except that they are still fighting for their jobs as SN takes over, no? pushes everyone over to RDS.
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Post by blny on Apr 23, 2014 15:29:08 GMT -5
There may be something to the contract angle. They got nothing to lose anymore so their true garbage can spill out. except that they are still fighting for their jobs as SN takes over, no? pushes everyone over to RDS. I'm not sure, but aren't the only sure things for SN's HNIC production for next year Strombo, Cherry, and McLean? Other studio and play by play folks are up in the air I believe. Lord knows Cole should be put out to pasture. Listening to him call the Avs series is painful.
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Post by franko on Apr 23, 2014 16:10:54 GMT -5
CBC hockey commentator Ron MacLean has apologized for his comment about French-Canadian referees during Tuesday night’s Stanley Cup playoff game between the Montreal Canadiens and Tampa Bay Lightning, and won't be reprimanded.
Chuck Thompson, head of media relations for CBC, confirmed in an email Tuesday afternoon that MacLean would not face disciplinary measures for suggesting during the second intermission that a French-Canadian referee should not be working the game.
The context for MacLean's comment was a controversial call by another French-Canadian referee in the third game of the first-round playoff series that Lightning coach Jon Cooper said cost his team the game.
MacLean said the fact the NHL assigned another French-Canadian referee to officiate Game 4 was meant to send a message to Cooper.
MacLean’s view was challenged by fellow Hockey Night in Canada commentator Elliotte Friedman, who said it was “unfair” to suggest French-Canadian referees were partial to Montreal.
“So you’re saying there should never be a French referee in Quebec,” Friedman eventually asked MacLean.
“Just this time, after what happened in Game 3,” MacLean replied.
The Canadiens beat Tampa Bay 4-3 to sweep the series and advance to the next round of the playoffs.
Thompson said MacLean's comments have been misinterpreted.
"Ron's comments were misunderstood as they had nothing to do with francophone referees. He was simply making the point that assigning a local referee was a questionable call by the league as it could have given the opposing team [in this case Tampa] an opportunity to cry foul had there been any controversial calls," Thompson said.
"Ron apologized and clarified his remarks later in the broadcast, saying it would be no different if you assigned a ref from Alberta for a game involving Calgary or Edmonton playing another NHL team."
Still, Gilles Duceppe, former leader of the Bloc Québécois, called MacLean's comments "racist" and said the longtime HNIC commentator should be disciplined.
"He was not talking about a local referee; he was talking about a French referee, which is quite different and just unacceptable, and I think CBC should take measures to discipline MacLean," Duceppe told Bernard St-Laurent, host of CBC Montreal's Radio Noon program.
During CBC's coverage of a later playoff game, MacLean tried to clarify his comments, saying he meant to say a “local referee” should not have been assigned to Game 4 given the controversy surrounding another local referee in the previous game.
"First of all, I want to say I'm sorry. It's divisive any time you become about French and English in our country. But I didn't intend to go down that path," he said.
MacLean said excluding local referees would mean both anglophone and francophone officials from the Montreal area should not be assigned to Canadiens games.
MacLean also pointed out that it is common practice in international matches to use referees from a third country.
Critics of MacLean were quick to point out that the referee who made the controversial call in the third game of the Canadiens-Lightning series, Francis Charron, is from Gatineau, Que., which is closer to Ottawa than Montreal.
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Post by Disp on Apr 23, 2014 16:50:45 GMT -5
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that this came out of Ron's mouth, but he should know better. You just shouldn't go there. Cbc has been hab critics for so long they just can't stop reaching new lows. It's pathetic.
I'm pretty sure, in his mind, it's just a bunch of frogs getting upset over nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 17:08:22 GMT -5
I'm sure the HNIC would like to be reminded that there are Canadiens fans not in Montreal (see: THIS FORUM).
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Post by blny on Apr 23, 2014 17:50:09 GMT -5
Are not the referees assigned games weeks or days in advance? Lee and co would have known before the first playoff game was played for the whole first round.
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Post by jerry_dog on Apr 23, 2014 18:30:36 GMT -5
Are not the referees assigned games weeks or days in advance? Lee and co would have known before the first playoff game was played for the whole first round. Correct. Series are assigned a few days in advance of the 1st game. It's all a bunch of Carp (intended) as both 'extremely controversial' caals ... are per the rule book; diddly squat to do with the referee. As Skilly mentioned; if you don't like it ... fine. Tell the NHL; don't bash the refs (Cooper, Don, Ron, HNIC, TSN ... long list) ...
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 23, 2014 19:11:29 GMT -5
The context for MacLean's comment was a controversial call by another French-Canadian referee in the third game of the first-round playoff series that Lightning coach Jon Cooper said cost his team the game.
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Of course, cbc.ca and Chuck Thompson are going to support MacLean. Love how the writer of this piece uses Cooper's assertion that the disallowed goal cost his team the game as the context....and makes it sound justifiable. What it cost Cooper's team was a 2-1 lead with just over 4:00 to go in the second period. They're making it sound as if it was in OT. =========================== Friedman called out MacLean right away....and MacLean clearly stood behind his initial French-Canadian ref comment. The water was rising. Then P.J. Stock, unwittingly, gave him the life-preserver he needed. "What about Dave Jackson....he's from Montreal." (All of sudden, MacLean is saying, "Oh yes, yes, of course. I meant any ref from the Montreal area...") As if that makes it any better! Hilarious. I'm sure that loophole would've come to MacLean anyway...in meetings with the producer, etc. I'm calling BS on CBC, HNIC, Ron and Don, Jim and Craig.....you can all choke on your Anglo-Toronto paycheques. Integrity has gone completely out the window now. I've said it all along...they're nothing but Leaf sell-outs. It's one thing to be anti-Habs....but this situation went beyond that--to cultural/linguistic motivation.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 23, 2014 21:12:57 GMT -5
I know it's been mentioned before but Charron (who made the "controversial" call) is from Ottawa , well Gatineau, but he lists his hometown as Ottawa.
St. Laurent , he is from Greenfield Park in Longueuil ... I'm not entirely sure how far that is from the "Montreal area" but if we start putting distance limitations or provincial limitations on refs, good luck finding ones for a Toronto. The NHL hates when one ref is assigned to one team with great frequency.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 23, 2014 21:37:17 GMT -5
Here's MacLean's apology.
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Post by franko on Apr 23, 2014 21:42:52 GMT -5
I know it's been mentioned before but Charron (who made the "controversial" call) is from Ottawa , well Gatineau, but he lists his hometown as Ottawa. ya discussions that he is from Quebec. cross a bridge and you're in Ontario. nope, he's from QuebecLongueuil is across the St Lawrence from Montreal proper. I remember playing Jr football in the shadows of the Jacques Cartier Bridge many moons ago.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 23, 2014 21:46:23 GMT -5
I know it's been mentioned before but Charron (who made the "controversial" call) is from Ottawa , well Gatineau, but he lists his hometown as Ottawa. St. Laurent , he is from Greenfield Park in Longueuil ... I'm not entirely sure how far that is from the "Montreal area" but if we start putting distance limitations or provincial limitations on refs, good luck finding ones for a Toronto. The NHL hates when one ref is assigned to one team with great frequency. Gatineau is just across the river from Ottawa. Montreal would be about an hour-and-half from Gatineau, two hours from Ottawa (different routes). I still go to Gatineau to get my beer ... 60 cans of Coor's Light for $60 bucks ... have to take orders when I go ... Cheers.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 23, 2014 22:17:08 GMT -5
The CBC should not have either English or French speaking announcers. To ensure fairness all announcers should be Cantonese speakers and broadcast in Mandarin. To be unbiased there should be a consolation playoff and only leafs games would broadcast until they are eliminated from competition. I'm starting to like the Premier League idea where the three bottom teams go to the AHL and the top AHL teams replace them in the NHL. When the leafs play the Marlies, Torontonians will have something to cheer about.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 23, 2014 22:19:59 GMT -5
Ha! MacLean says he wouldn't have had any problem with a "Montreal-area ref" in Games 5, 6, or 7. It's just that Game 4 was an elimination game.
I got news for you, Ron!
Games 5, 6, and 7 would've also been elimination games for Tampa. You should've waited a day to think on that. When you're looking for excuses....
But hey...thank you for finally bringing out CBC's and HNIC's complicity in the broadcast's prejudice against the Habs.
Cherry's been spouting it for years...and the CBC has kept defending him. Now the CBC is behind MacLean for the same nonsense.
Of course they are.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 23, 2014 22:27:45 GMT -5
ya discussions that he is from Quebec. cross a bridge and you're in Ontario. nope, he's from QuebecLongueuil is across the St Lawrence from Montreal proper. I remember playing Jr football in the shadows of the Jacques Cartier Bridge many moons ago. Longueuil, is that where the Olympic Stadium is? Stayed near there for a week in Montreal. Cheers.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 23, 2014 23:55:48 GMT -5
ya discussions that he is from Quebec. cross a bridge and you're in Ontario. nope, he's from QuebecLongueuil is across the St Lawrence from Montreal proper. I remember playing Jr football in the shadows of the Jacques Cartier Bridge many moons ago. Longueuil, is that where the Olympic Stadium is? Stayed near there for a week in Montreal. Cheers. Longueuil is on the south shore of the St. Lawrence river, and the Olympic Stadium is in the east end of Montreal proper, on the island.
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