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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 13:29:59 GMT -5
We've seen it in the Bruins media for a number of years now, and anybody associated with that team in any regard buys in to the notion that all Canadiens are divers, while the Bruins are the champions of integrity. Naturally, their fan base and organization are much more interested in tossing out racist comments while being oblivious to their own team's antics (see: the multitude of Embellishment City videos up on YouTube)
All bias aside, how much diving does our team truly do? Let's get a discussion going here.
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Post by CentreHice on May 30, 2014 13:34:24 GMT -5
No more or no less than any other team.
It's just another reason thrown-in to hate the Habs.
"Whining" is another one.
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Post by Skilly on May 30, 2014 13:48:48 GMT -5
We do dive .... every team dives. Its the "do anything to get an advantage" mentality.
I'd say we do more than our fare share, but we arent the worst, nor are we the angels of the league either
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Post by jkr on May 30, 2014 14:14:39 GMT -5
The perception is that the Habs lead the league in this. I watched Off The Record ( a rare event for me) & he had a panel that included Marinaro & Milbury among others. They showed embellishment by Subban & Plekanec. They didn't show Chara & Krejci in game 7, they didn't show anybody else from any other team. It's as if there is only one team doing it. The media strikes again. Way to go Landsberg.
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Post by CentreHice on May 30, 2014 14:21:15 GMT -5
Might as well say the Habs are skaters and passers and shooters, too.
That's how ridiculous singling them out as the WORST really is.
More than a couple of dives by the Rangers fooled the refs, too. But no embellishment label for them…no sir.
One of them was the costly "trip" by Galchenyuk that resulted in the 3-1 PP goal in Game 2.
To say nothing of what could've been the ultimate dive: Kreider falling skates first into Price.
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Post by CentreHice on May 30, 2014 14:22:10 GMT -5
The perception is that the Habs lead the league in this. I watched Off The Record ( a rare event for me) & he had a panel that included Marinaro & Milbury among others. They showed embellishment by Subban & Plekanec. They didn't show Chara & Krejci in game 7, they didn't show anybody else from any other team. It's as if there is only one team doing it. The media strikes again. Way to go Landsberg. Mariano refuted that claim, did he not? He certainly does when he's on Boston radio.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 14:27:23 GMT -5
No more or no less than any other team. It's just another reason thrown-in to hate the Habs. "Whining" is another one. The whining one gets me. I've seen press conferences where Vigneault and Julien were complaining about the officiating, the latter also confused as to why his team is labeled as the "bad guys" (Nilan on his rant on TSN Radio explains how and why they are seen that way - mostly because "they are the bad guys"). I didn't see Therrien once gripe in the post-game conferences about the officating. There were some brutal penalty calls in Game 6, and some even earlier in the series (Game 2, as CH pointed out), though there were some pretty lousy calls going both ways. Of all the complaining about the officiating in the media that took place, our team didn't do any of it.
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Post by Douper on May 30, 2014 15:04:51 GMT -5
Plekanec and Emelin are the worst on our team. And they do it so frequently that people think it's the whole team.
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Post by madhabber on May 30, 2014 15:24:46 GMT -5
If you say it often enough, some people might actually start to believe it. It may influence the refs into looking at plays more closely before calling a penalty. Boston since Julien has been there and New York this year do more than their fair bit of whining. In the press at least. All teams dive, pretty much the same. Every little advantage a team can get is used. If I had to look, listen and put up with Brad Marchand for 2 weeks in the playoffs, I'd whine too.
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Post by CentreHice on May 30, 2014 15:26:18 GMT -5
How bad is it? Well, even the refs are buying into it.
How could not ONE penalty be called on this play from earlier this year? Start watching at the 25-second mark.
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Post by habernac on May 30, 2014 16:44:17 GMT -5
Plekanec and Emelin are the worst on our team. And they do it so frequently that people think it's the whole team. Prust is a flopper.
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Post by christrpn on May 31, 2014 7:56:35 GMT -5
We can't get all worked up about it. It happens. Subban does his fair share, Plekanec, Prust, Emelin. Problem is that there are a fair share of teams that don't. I don't see the blackhawks or kings doing it very often. Bruins are bad, rangers too. It's a label we have to live with. Plekanec embellishment call was the worst.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 31, 2014 10:59:36 GMT -5
Plekanec and Emelin are the worst on our team. And they do it so frequently that people think it's the whole team. Plekanec has been embellishing for years now ... it's become part of the game, unfortunately ... just like biased officiating ... fans from every team have a problem with the officials ... in this aspect HabsRus reflects a lot of other boards out there ... embellishing isn't going away any faster than spotty officiating ... #idonthaveasolutionCheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 31, 2014 11:06:41 GMT -5
If you say it often enough, some people might actually start to believe it. It may influence the refs into looking at plays more closely before calling a penalty. Boston since Julien has been there and New York this year do more than their fair bit of whining. In the press at least. All teams dive, pretty much the same. Every little advantage a team can get is used. If I had to look, listen and put up with Brad Marchand for 2 weeks in the playoffs, I'd whine too. We saw a clear case of a call made on reputation in the Boston series ... Markov (the silent instigator) clearly shoved Marchand into Price ... both Marchand and Price when down, and Marchand ended up with the penalty ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 31, 2014 12:09:18 GMT -5
The perception is that the Habs lead the league in this. I watched Off The Record ( a rare event for me) & he had a panel that included Marinaro & Milbury among others. They showed embellishment by Subban & Plekanec. They didn't show Chara & Krejci in game 7, they didn't show anybody else from any other team. It's as if there is only one team doing it. The media strikes again. Way to go Landsberg. I'm glad I didn't see it ... I watch that show when I can and I usually find it alright ... leads me to think that they probably did this on purpose ... take a side and rile as many Montreal fans as possible ... keep the "whining-Habs-fans" posture alive ... #goodfortheratingsCheers.
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Post by Cranky on May 31, 2014 17:28:49 GMT -5
I never see the Habs dive. I see them showing the infractions in a better light, but never diving.
Besides, point to ONE player who has flippers?
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Post by Disp on May 31, 2014 23:35:00 GMT -5
All teams do it, not all teams point the finger at other teams that do it. Some teams, like the b's, think the best defence is a strong offence in that regard. Got to point that finger the other way so nobody looks at me kind of thing. It's pathetic and transparent. Sad that some believe it.
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Post by habsorbed on Jun 1, 2014 14:27:10 GMT -5
Deserved or not, the reputation has hurt us. there were at least three blatant high sticks to Habs in the last two Rags games which went uncalled. The gionta goalie interference call in the last game was a joke. And may have changed the game. It may have been our best scoring chance and just as the puck gets to Gio he gets a stick in the chops and never connects. then gets two for contact with the goalie which was brought about by the Rags dman's stick to Gio's head. That was one bad call! Not saying we would have won, but Gio scores there or we go on the PP who knows the outcome.
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Post by Disp on Jun 1, 2014 14:40:54 GMT -5
Deserved or not, the reputation has hurt us. there were at least three blatant high sticks to Habs in the last two Rags games which went uncalled. The gionta goalie interference call in the last game was a joke. And may have changed the game. It may have been our best scoring chance and just as the puck gets to Gio he gets a stick in the chops and never connects. then gets two for contact with the goalie which was brought about by the Rags dman's stick to Gio's head. That was one bad call! Not saying we would have won, but Gio scores there or we go on the PP who knows the outcome. Yup, it ain't fair. It's almost at the point where we have to clean it up, and once we do start pointing the finger ourselves, then let it creep back in . It's really too bad it's stupid like that. If the refs didn't need a little encouragement to actually see the crap going on it wouldn't be necessary.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 1, 2014 18:42:29 GMT -5
Deserved or not, the reputation has hurt us. there were at least three blatant high sticks to Habs in the last two Rags games which went uncalled. The gionta goalie interference call in the last game was a joke. And may have changed the game. It may have been our best scoring chance and just as the puck gets to Gio he gets a stick in the chops and never connects. then gets two for contact with the goalie which was brought about by the Rags dman's stick to Gio's head. That was one bad call! Not saying we would have won, but Gio scores there or we go on the PP who knows the outcome. Yup, it ain't fair. It's almost at the point where we have to clean it up, and once we do start pointing the finger ourselves, then let it creep back in . It's really too bad it's stupid like that. If the refs didn't need a little encouragement to actually see the crap going on it wouldn't be necessary. Management has to stick up for the players and the penalty on gio was the perfect time for MT to lose it. He had been calm the whole playoffs he could have freaked and the refs would have noticed and then called something on the rags.
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