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Post by Skilly on Jun 5, 2014 13:15:09 GMT -5
I'll believe that Vanek is more concerned about winning than money when I see where he lands and for how much ....
I dont think we can automatically assume that adding Vanek to Pacioretty's line will equate to two 40 goal scorers. If it does, we will in all likelihood be just a one line team. I would say that what would end up is that Vanek would cut into Pacioretty's production and we end up with two 30 goals scorers or close to 30 goal scorers.
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 5, 2014 13:26:14 GMT -5
Vanek was on record Saturday saying that money wasn't going to be the deciding factor. Winning was, and he felt like he could do that in Montreal. His words. Lip service or not, I think Berg has as good a chance as anyone of landing him - if he wants him. Heard that before....Hello Corson.......
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Post by christrpn on Jun 5, 2014 17:05:59 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Jun 5, 2014 17:16:04 GMT -5
Vanek was on record Saturday saying that money wasn't going to be the deciding factor. Winning was, and he felt like he could do that in Montreal. His words. Lip service or not, I think Berg has as good a chance as anyone of landing him - if he wants him. Heard that before....Hello Corson....... And just how did that work out for you Shayne? Dolt.
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Post by jkr on Jun 6, 2014 9:21:37 GMT -5
I'll believe that Vanek is more concerned about winning than money when I see where he lands and for how much .... I dont think we can automatically assume that adding Vanek to Pacioretty's line will equate to two 40 goal scorers. If it does, we will in all likelihood be just a one line team. I would say that what would end up is that Vanek would cut into Pacioretty's production and we end up with two 30 goals scorers or close to 30 goal scorers. Vanek hasn't hit 40 since 2009. His lockout total in 2013 equated to 40 but we can't assume he would have kept up that pace for a full season.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 6, 2014 14:15:24 GMT -5
. I dont think we can automatically assume that adding Vanek to Pacioretty's line will equate to two 40 goal scorers. If it does, we will in all likelihood be just a one line team. I would say that what would end up is that Vanek would cut into Pacioretty's production and we end up with two 30 goals scorers or close to 30 goal scorers. That's the belief that I've always held, and why I don't think that Vanek is a great signing. If you invest that much in a player he should be capable of generating offense in different situations, and help spread the offense around.
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Post by blny on Jun 6, 2014 14:41:27 GMT -5
I don't think it's entirely out of line to extrapolate the possibility of Max and Thomas knocking on the door of 40 together playing on the same line. The first year Cole was in Montreal he had 35 and Max had 33 playing with DD. 8 total goals from 40-40. Vanek might opt to pass a bit more than Cole did, but it's certainly not unrealistic.
I don't think it makes them a one line team either. It's up to management to address the second line, and as has been outlined elsewhere the right moves (and non-moves) can allow for the addition of another scoring winger.
Hell, if the top six produces the following next year, we'll be in good shape.
35-20-35 30-20-20
Vanek-Desharnais-Pacioretty signing/trade-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
160 goals. That means the remaining 14 skaters have to average 5.7 goals a piece to hit 240.
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Post by stoat on Jun 6, 2014 15:28:22 GMT -5
Unexpectedly, Rene Bourque supplied the scoring that was missing elsewhere. I think he's still fourth overall in these playoffs.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 6, 2014 16:34:05 GMT -5
I don't think it's entirely out of line to extrapolate the possibility of Max and Thomas knocking on the door of 40 together playing on the same line. The first year Cole was in Montreal he had 35 and Max had 33 playing with DD. 8 total goals from 40-40. Vanek might opt to pass a bit more than Cole did, but it's certainly not unrealistic. I don't think it makes them a one line team either. It's up to management to address the second line, and as has been outlined elsewhere the right moves (and non-moves) can allow for the addition of another scoring winger. Hell, if the top six produces the following next year, we'll be in good shape. 35-20-35 30-20-20 Vanek-Desharnais-Pacioretty signing/trade-Galchenyuk-Gallagher 160 goals. That means the remaining 14 skaters have to average 5.7 goals a piece to hit 240. I agree. There is no obvious reason why that trio can't produce like the Cole/DD/Patches line. And any decision involving Vanek needs to be measured against the alternative. If we DON'T sign Vanek, then what? Where and how to we replace that lost production. That's why I'm a big supporter of signing the guy. He's not perfect, but he's pretty darn good, durable, has chemistry with those guys. If we had better alternatives it wouldn't be that big a deal, but we don't. But I'm afraid Berg is working on a different timeline than the rest of us. I have a suspicion that he's content to let Vanek walk, and make some lower level moves but nothing too bold, continue to draft and develop and keep the expectations low. I hope I'm wrong. I think this is the summer for action. Sign Vanek and deal some of our surplus assets to take a good leap forward.
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Post by christrpn on Jun 7, 2014 5:40:10 GMT -5
I don't think it's entirely out of line to extrapolate the possibility of Max and Thomas knocking on the door of 40 together playing on the same line. The first year Cole was in Montreal he had 35 and Max had 33 playing with DD. 8 total goals from 40-40. Vanek might opt to pass a bit more than Cole did, but it's certainly not unrealistic. I don't think it makes them a one line team either. It's up to management to address the second line, and as has been outlined elsewhere the right moves (and non-moves) can allow for the addition of another scoring winger. Hell, if the top six produces the following next year, we'll be in good shape. 35-20-35 30-20-20 Vanek-Desharnais-Pacioretty signing/trade-Galchenyuk-Gallagher 160 goals. That means the remaining 14 skaters have to average 5.7 goals a piece to hit 240. I agree. There is no obvious reason why that trio can't produce like the Cole/DD/Patches line. And any decision involving Vanek needs to be measured against the alternative. If we DON'T sign Vanek, then what? Where and how to we replace that lost production. That's why I'm a big supporter of signing the guy. He's not perfect, but he's pretty darn good, durable, has chemistry with those guys. If we had better alternatives it wouldn't be that big a deal, but we don't. But I'm afraid Berg is working on a different timeline than the rest of us. I have a suspicion that he's content to let Vanek walk, and make some lower level moves but nothing too bold, continue to draft and develop and keep the expectations low. I hope I'm wrong. I think this is the summer for action. Sign Vanek and deal some of our surplus assets to take a good leap forward. While I agree with Vanek, I don't want MB to become the Sather of old. Sign the big names to big bucks and expect them to produce big numbers. Subban will get $8-$9M, Signing Vanek to what he supposedly wants, that is, apprx $7M per, that will hinder our possibility to get a second BIG winger. Not to mention, to long term contrad=ct on the wing will hinder any progression from the ones we might draft or have drafted.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 7, 2014 8:07:21 GMT -5
I don't think it's entirely out of line to extrapolate the possibility of Max and Thomas knocking on the door of 40 together playing on the same line. The first year Cole was in Montreal he had 35 and Max had 33 playing with DD. 8 total goals from 40-40. Vanek might opt to pass a bit more than Cole did, but it's certainly not unrealistic. I don't think it makes them a one line team either. It's up to management to address the second line, and as has been outlined elsewhere the right moves (and non-moves) can allow for the addition of another scoring winger. Hell, if the top six produces the following next year, we'll be in good shape. 35-20-35 30-20-20 Vanek-Desharnais-Pacioretty signing/trade-Galchenyuk-Gallagher 160 goals. That means the remaining 14 skaters have to average 5.7 goals a piece to hit 240. Name the last time we had TWO 35 scores and SIX 20 goal scorers in the same year. Even the year you reference, not a single other player had 20 goals .... I want to sign Vanek, but the extrapolations always fail to account for other players production dropping ... And it will happen
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Post by blny on Jun 7, 2014 9:29:36 GMT -5
Likely have to go back to the last cup. I don't think there's any reason to suspect a second line's production would fall off with good players filling capable of scoring filling out all 6 positions. Their ice time wouldn't decrease, and with a top six that deep you make the power play theoretically harder to play against too. Three 30 goal scores and three 20 goal scorers can be done.
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