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Post by PTH on Jun 12, 2014 21:46:54 GMT -5
www.xnsports.com/2014/06/12/marchand-marleau-nhl-trade-rumors/Depending on the picks and prospects, I'd think about it. Given Yandle's age, he'd fit in well with our current core. I wouldn't want to lose a Beaulieu, Tinordi, Fucale, Thrower or Lekhonen to get him, but just about the rest of our prospects would be on the table (along with Plek). Yandle being from out west means Bergevin knows him better than most Eastern people do... I'm actually wondering if Yandle could fit in even if we did keep Markov. Those 3, Gorges, Emelin, Beaulieu, Tinordi and Weaver for depth... that's 9D, so someone's gotta go for that to happen (we could just not re-sign Weaver, but he's the perfect depth D...)
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 12, 2014 22:10:32 GMT -5
Yandle would really bolster the defence corps, Markov or no ...
Cheers.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 13, 2014 2:14:05 GMT -5
www.xnsports.com/2014/06/12/marchand-marleau-nhl-trade-rumors/Depending on the picks and prospects, I'd think about it. Given Yandle's age, he'd fit in well with our current core. I wouldn't want to lose a Beaulieu, Tinordi, Fucale, Thrower or Lekhonen to get him, but just about the rest of our prospects would be on the table (along with Plek). Yandle being from out west means Bergevin knows him better than most Eastern people do... I'm actually wondering if Yandle could fit in even if we did keep Markov. Those 3, Gorges, Emelin, Beaulieu, Tinordi and Weaver for depth... that's 9D, so someone's gotta go for that to happen (we could just not re-sign Weaver, but he's the perfect depth D...) -23 on 37-30 team is scary
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 13, 2014 6:53:05 GMT -5
www.xnsports.com/2014/06/12/marchand-marleau-nhl-trade-rumors/Depending on the picks and prospects, I'd think about it. Given Yandle's age, he'd fit in well with our current core. I wouldn't want to lose a Beaulieu, Tinordi, Fucale, Thrower or Lekhonen to get him, but just about the rest of our prospects would be on the table (along with Plek). Yandle being from out west means Bergevin knows him better than most Eastern people do... I'm actually wondering if Yandle could fit in even if we did keep Markov. Those 3, Gorges, Emelin, Beaulieu, Tinordi and Weaver for depth... that's 9D, so someone's gotta go for that to happen (we could just not re-sign Weaver, but he's the perfect depth D...) -23 on 37-30 team is scary -9 at home and -14 on the road. He plays over 4 minutes per game avg of PP time and no shorthanded time. He was +4 last year not sure why he went -23 thas year. His point totals are way better this year, 2 fewer goals but 25 more assists. 31 of his 53 points came on the PP.
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Post by blny on Jun 13, 2014 7:59:54 GMT -5
He's a bit of a specialist, but it would be a good move imo. He's 4 years younger than Pleks, so you'd likely have to add a little. Cap hits are similar, however Yandle's actual salary will be $5.75 million each of the next two seasons. For a budget conscious team, saving 750k next year and being free of a contract after that makes some sense.
The move would make us younger, and Yandle *knocks on wood* hasn't missed a game since 2008-09. If the deal can be done before the draft, and there have been rumblings that Berg is trying to move a player "whose time in MOntreal is up", you could then trade Markov's rights and recoup some/all of the extras you may have thrown into the the Yandle deal.
His +/- has been on the decline since 2010, but I think -23 might be something of a blip.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 13, 2014 13:23:24 GMT -5
Pleks is a very good TWO way player, not great, not poor, never hurts the team, doesn't make many mistakes. When he has an infrequent bad game he doesn't hurt the team the way Briere and Vanek do. I will always do a trade to improve the team but Plekanec is not a problem that needs addressing. Problems are Bourque, Briere, Vanek and Parros.
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Post by blny on Jun 13, 2014 13:45:28 GMT -5
Pleks is a very good TWO way player, not great, not poor, never hurts the team, doesn't make many mistakes. When he has an infrequent bad game he doesn't hurt the team the way Briere and Vanek do. I will always do a trade to improve the team but Plekanec is not a problem that needs addressing. Problems are Bourque, Briere, Vanek and Parros. Is he a problem? No. Is he in the way? Yes. I was hoping for a better playoff from him, but he didn't really step up as the rounds progressed. The team showed they can effectively kill penalties without him, so it's not like they desperately need him for that purpose alone. The 'movement' behind trading him is to be proactive. Make room for Galchenyuk and Eller, who need minutes and to be playing center. Trade him now, with a year on his deal, to address more pressing needs elsewhere (either directly or indirectly) instead of letting him walk for nothing. I think it's a move Pollack would do, were he at the helm. I'm not comparing myself to him, I just look back at the moves he made. He was a shrewd guy. He often traded guys just on the back side of their prime, still useful, for picks, prospects, or to fill needs elsewhere. That's what should be done with Plekanec.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 14, 2014 5:09:55 GMT -5
-23 on 37-30 team is scary -9 at home and -14 on the road. He plays over 4 minutes per game avg of PP time and no shorthanded time. He was +4 last year not sure why he went -23 thas year. His point totals are way better this year, 2 fewer goals but 25 more assists. 31 of his 53 points came on the PP. Sounds like Yandle is not good defensively, -23 on a good team is a red flag. Not sure I would deal Plekanec. Skill down the middle is vital in playoffs, look at Kings...Hawks and their success. Richards as 4th line center, or Toews, Sharp. Outstanding depth and skill at center. If Galchenyuk's move to center is not smooth(chances are he'll need time), leaves Deshairnais, Eller, White as our #1,2,3 center. Scary
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Post by christrpn on Jun 14, 2014 7:47:12 GMT -5
-9 at home and -14 on the road. He plays over 4 minutes per game avg of PP time and no shorthanded time. He was +4 last year not sure why he went -23 thas year. His point totals are way better this year, 2 fewer goals but 25 more assists. 31 of his 53 points came on the PP. Sounds like Yandle is not good defensively, -23 on a good team is a red flag. Not sure I would deal Plekanec. Skill down the middle is vital in playoffs, look at Kings...Hawks and their success. Richards as 4th line center, or Toews, Sharp. Outstanding depth and skill at center. If Galchenyuk's move to center is not smooth(chances are he'll need time), leaves Deshairnais, Eller, White as our #1,2,3 center. Scary Galchenyuk needs to move to center, that's why we drafted him. There will be growing pains as he adjusts to being an NHL center. In order for him to do so we need to move a center. No one wants Briere, Eller is young and White fills a fourth line center need. Pleks is the dispensable one. If you trade a player because you don't want him anymore, like Bourque, Briere, Murray, Parros, Leblanc, Gionta for example, you will get nothing in return but late picks or iffy prospects, the sole advantage is that it makes room for your current NHL ready prospects. Do we have any? We won't know until next year. Plekanec is a useful center, knows what he's doing. On top of clearing some much needed space at center, he could get you a decent prospect, maybe an NHL ready prospect. A young RW thst just might need his rough edges smoothed. Briere won't get you that and if you trade Desharnais, you'll have to euthanize Pacioretti. In my opinion, given the right price, every one not named Price, is movable. Teams might not want to pay said price but even Subban has a price.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 14, 2014 9:24:08 GMT -5
Imo pleky is a regular season guy. We need playoff performers. I would trade pleky to free up cap space and get galchy into the 2nd line centre spot. Eller in the 3rd and white on the fourth. Eller weise and bourque make a good 3rd line and 1st pk unit. Moen prust and white make a very good energy 4th line/2nd pk unit. Gio is gone, parros is gone, so are murray and booboo and they free up about 9 mill plus plekys 5 frees up 14 mill total.
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Post by duster on Jun 14, 2014 10:14:23 GMT -5
Presuming it's true, I'm surprised Bergevin is considering trading Plekanec for defense rather than scoring which is the team's real weakness. In my mind, Pleks is the best center on the team until Galchenyuk matures into the first line center he's predicted to be and Eller comes into his own as a two way center.
On the other hand, DD is a luxury player who needs big wingers to be effective. What if DD has another one of his slumps next year? At least if Pleks doesn't score, he's still useful. DD not so much. It's easy to see how DD, Eller and Galchenyuk at center could turn out badly...
The center they should trade is DD and not Plekanec. At least, not yet.
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Post by blny on Jun 14, 2014 10:34:16 GMT -5
Presuming it's true, I'm surprised Bergevin is considering trading Plekanec for defense rather than scoring which is the team's real weakness. In my mind, Pleks is the best center on the team until Galchenyuk matures into the first line center he's predicted to be and Eller comes into his own as a two way center. On the other hand, DD is a luxury player who needs big wingers to be effective. What if DD has another one of his slumps next year? At least if Pleks doesn't score, he's still useful. DD not so much. It's easy to see how DD, Eller and Galchenyuk at center could turn out badly... The center they should trade is DD and not Plekanec. At least, not yet. I think the logic behind this move would be that you're replacing Markov with a much younger player. The money you would have given Markov can then be spent on adding scoring to the top 6. DD had a strong playoff. The points don't tell the story in my opinion. He was buzzing much of the time, creating chances for whoever his line mates were. He hounded Bruins defenders on a regular basis. Given his chemistry with Max, and the chemistry he had with Vanek I'd be hesitant to move him for the sake of moving him. Tomas wasn't able to generate much of anything in the first 4 games after the trade, and when MT had amnesia in the playoffs and put them back together I wasn't surprised when it didn't work. Despite his lack of size, DD is far less a perimeter player than Plekanec, and spends far more time in the dirty areas.
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Post by frozone on Jun 14, 2014 10:35:45 GMT -5
Presuming it's true, I'm surprised Bergevin is considering trading Plekanec for defense rather than scoring which is the team's real weakness. In my mind, Pleks is the best center on the team until Galchenyuk matures into the first line center he's predicted to be and Eller comes into his own as a two way center. On the other hand, DD is a luxury player who needs big wingers to be effective. What if DD has another one of his slumps next year? At least if Pleks doesn't score, he's still useful. DD not so much. It's easy to see how DD, Eller and Galchenyuk at center could turn out badly... The center they should trade is DD and not Plekanec. At least, not yet. I agree, Duster. DD is seen as a bonafied #1 center right now. He makes Patches produce. Vanek publicly whined about not getting to play on his line. Seems to me that his value is high... if we want to be proactive, why don't we start with trading DD? Plekanec's value was high during the regular season. His end of season and post-season weren't very strong and now he is seen as a bit of a non-contributor. Not to mention, we don't really have a jack-of-all-trades, minute eating centerman to follow in his footsteps. I think Bournival could be that guy, but we're nowhere close to passing that torch. We don't absolutely need Plekanec, but I do think that we need that type of player. However, I do think that we need an upgrade on D in speed and puck movement. That could bolster our offensive production by quite a lot imo.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 14, 2014 10:48:12 GMT -5
Sounds like Yandle is not good defensively, -23 on a good team is a red flag. Not sure I would deal Plekanec. Skill down the middle is vital in playoffs, look at Kings...Hawks and their success. Richards as 4th line center, or Toews, Sharp. Outstanding depth and skill at center. If Galchenyuk's move to center is not smooth(chances are he'll need time), leaves Deshairnais, Eller, White as our #1,2,3 center. Scary Galchenyuk needs to move to center, that's why we drafted him. There will be growing pains as he adjusts to being an NHL center. In order for him to do so we need to move a center. No one wants Briere, Eller is young and White fills a fourth line center need. Pleks is the dispensable one. If you trade a player because you don't want him anymore, like Bourque, Briere, Murray, Parros, Leblanc, Gionta for example, you will get nothing in return but late picks or iffy prospects, the sole advantage is that it makes room for your current NHL ready prospects. Do we have any? We won't know until next year. Plekanec is a useful center, knows what he's doing. On top of clearing some much needed space at center, he could get you a decent prospect, maybe an NHL ready prospect. A young RW thst just might need his rough edges smoothed. Briere won't get you that and if you trade Desharnais, you'll have to euthanize Pacioretti. In my opinion, given the right price, every one not named Price, is movable. Teams might not want to pay said price but even Subban has a price. Habs be thin down the middle if they trade Plekanec. Especially knowing Galchenyuk will need time to adjust to center. I would wait until March's trade deadline to trade Plekanec. That way his trade value is still there and we get chance to see how Galchenyuk responds to playing center.
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 14, 2014 11:53:19 GMT -5
Wait a minute......
We are trading a center for a defenseman, even though if Markov signs we have THREE very good defensive prospects and it will leave us thin down the center?
If DD gets injured or BGal doesn't work out very well, or needs lots of time, what then? Eller as #1? Really?
Sure, trade Pleks and throw in more to get BETTER down the middle rather then filling a need that we we have plenty of filler for.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 14, 2014 12:12:57 GMT -5
If we keep Pleks and Eller, Galchenyuk will never be groomed at center because Eller can't play wing and the minute Galchenyuk will have a rough night, Therrien will take him off center.
That being said the guy I'd move is Eller. Plecks has his shortcomings but he's a stable player that brings 20gs and 40ish points in any situation. That would take a bit of offensive pressure off Galchenyuk's shoulder. Eller? Who knows... he had decent playoffs but an horrible season. If he gets back to his season form than there will be a lot of pressure on Galchenyuk to produce big numbers...
That being said, I don't see the Yotes needing a 2nd/3rd line center at all (Vermette, Ribeiro, Hanzal, Chipchura). Nor do I see us needing yet another left handed dmen.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 14, 2014 15:01:11 GMT -5
I feel strong chance Pleks is traded. I wouldn't do it but things sound that way.
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Post by blny on Jun 14, 2014 15:05:14 GMT -5
If we keep Pleks and Eller, Galchenyuk will never be groomed at center because Eller can't play wing and the minute Galchenyuk will have a rough night, Therrien will take him off center. That being said the guy I'd move is Eller. Plecks has his shortcomings but he's a stable player that brings 20gs and 40ish points in any situation. That would take a bit of offensive pressure off Galchenyuk's shoulder. Eller? Who knows... he had decent playoffs but an horrible season. If he gets back to his season form than there will be a lot of pressure on Galchenyuk to produce big numbers... That being said, I don't see the Yotes needing a 2nd/3rd line center at all (Vermette, Ribeiro, Hanzal, Chipchura). Nor do I see us needing yet another left handed dmen. To be fair to Eller, the minute Therrien put him at center, even though it was 4th line, his play sparked. That was after the trade dead line. Eller and Galchenyuk NEED to play center. Simple as that. We don't know for sure what Eller can do at center over the course of a whole season, because he hasn't been given the chance. Saperlipopette or get off the pot with him. His play in 2012, and how good he looked before Gryba took him out, his play after getting put back there this spring all point to him succeeding in at least a 3rd line capacity.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 14, 2014 15:28:22 GMT -5
Eller will give you no offense. Besides Pleks being traded, Markov will test open market, likely gone. I think White could be traded also, and they sign somebody. Sounds like there is chance for overpayment.
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Post by blny on Jun 14, 2014 15:52:11 GMT -5
Eller will give you no offense. Besides Pleks being traded, Markov will test open market, likely gone. I think White could be traded also, and they sign somebody. Sounds like there is chance for overpayment. Hard to say what happens to White. He can be qualified. Him centering Prust and Moen isn't a bad thing. I think Eller can produce 15g-20a numbers from a 3rd line. Maybe a little more if Bourque's playoff is an indication that Mellanby got through to him. That's not far off what Plekanec produces with those sorts of minutes, and for a lot less.
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Post by PTH on Jun 14, 2014 17:46:39 GMT -5
Wait a minute...... We are trading a center for a defenseman, even though if Markov signs we have THREE very good defensive prospects and it will leave us thin down the center? If DD gets injured or BGal doesn't work out very well, or needs lots of time, what then? Eller as #1? Really? Sure, trade Pleks and throw in more to get BETTER down the middle rather then filling a need that we we have plenty of filler for. First, I suspect this deal is a backup play if Markov is too greedy. Second, throwing Plekanec and adding more to get an elite top-2 line center isn't easy: that's the deal everyone wants to make.
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Post by christrpn on Jun 15, 2014 7:33:03 GMT -5
I would trade Plekanec because the log jam at center and he lacks in size. That being said, I believe no on the roster is sheltered from trade. Price excluded. Think of what the compensation would be to sign Subban to an offer sheet. I wouldn't accept anything less + a roster player. Top two RW. Price is high but it's there. Seems a contract higher than $8.4M will garner four 1st round picks. Add a top two RW and maybe a prospect and it wouldn't be such a bad trade.
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Post by stoat on Jun 15, 2014 13:23:16 GMT -5
I would trade Plekanec because the log jam at center and he lacks in size. That being said, I believe no on the roster is sheltered from trade. Price excluded. Think of what the compensation would be to sign Subban to an offer sheet. I wouldn't accept anything less + a roster player. Top two RW. Price is high but it's there. Seems a contract higher than $8.4M will garner four 1st round picks. Add a top two RW and maybe a prospect and it wouldn't be such a bad trade. We've seen in the recent playoffs that Subban may be the best Dman on the Habs but he's not the best Dman in the NHL. Sorry for my negativity but that's my honest opinion.
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Post by christrpn on Jun 15, 2014 13:48:34 GMT -5
I would trade Plekanec because the log jam at center and he lacks in size. That being said, I believe no on the roster is sheltered from trade. Price excluded. Think of what the compensation would be to sign Subban to an offer sheet. I wouldn't accept anything less + a roster player. Top two RW. Price is high but it's there. Seems a contract higher than $8.4M will garner four 1st round picks. Add a top two RW and maybe a prospect and it wouldn't be such a bad trade. We've seen in the recent playoffs that Subban may be the best Dman on the Habs but he's not the best Dman in the NHL. Sorry for my negativity but that's my honest opinion. But that's his value to us. So if someone is willing to pay it, good. It would be one of those win win for us.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 15, 2014 13:57:01 GMT -5
I would trade Plekanec because the log jam at center and he lacks in size. That being said, I believe no on the roster is sheltered from trade. Price excluded. Think of what the compensation would be to sign Subban to an offer sheet. I wouldn't accept anything less + a roster player. Top two RW. Price is high but it's there. Seems a contract higher than $8.4M will garner four 1st round picks. Add a top two RW and maybe a prospect and it wouldn't be such a bad trade. We've seen in the recent playoffs that Subban may be the best Dman on the Habs but he's not the best Dman in the NHL. Sorry for my negativity but that's my honest opinion. Hardly negative and a reasonable assessment. From my viewpoint, in this league at this time, there are 3 or 4 guys who can be the 'best' dman in the league in any particular game. If you've watched Doughty, you will have seen numerous giveaways and poor positioning, much like PK. PK, Doughty, Suter, Weber, maybe Pietrangelo (not Chara, not offensive enough [points wise]) can all be the best on any given day. Some guys are more consistent than others (not PK) and others can make the big play to carry a team (PK). It's easier to become more consistent than to make the great play, so I'll take PK, Doughty or Pietrangelo thank you.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 1, 2014 11:47:33 GMT -5
If we had to kill a penalty, Pleks was the guy I wanted at center.
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Post by christrpn on Jul 1, 2014 17:50:35 GMT -5
Having Malhotra in the line-up makes Pleks expandable
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Post by Gogie on Jul 1, 2014 17:55:25 GMT -5
Having Malhotra in the line-up makes Pleks expandable You think Malhotra will make Plekky play bigger?
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 1, 2014 18:00:05 GMT -5
Having Malhotra in the line-up makes Pleks expandable You think Malhotra will make Plekky play bigger? Hopefully Manny can make Pleky play with more fire in the playoffs.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 1, 2014 18:15:05 GMT -5
Having Malhotra in the line-up makes Pleks expandable Pleky being Pleky makes Pleky expendable. If Eller signs we have to move Pleky and get AGal in the middle. Saw Mactavish presser today and he was clear he needs/wants a 2nd line centre (offensive or two-way). We gotta a partner. Just tell McT that Pleky and Pouliot are like Gretz and Kurri. He'd buy it. He seems to buy all sorts of garbage.
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