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Post by christrpn on Jul 1, 2014 18:16:26 GMT -5
Having Malhotra in the line-up makes Pleks expandable You think Malhotra will make Plekky play bigger? *expendable......
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Post by PTH on Jul 1, 2014 18:23:40 GMT -5
Having Malhotra in the line-up makes Pleks expandable Pleky being Pleky makes Pleky expendable. If Eller signs we have to move Pleky and get AGal in the middle. Saw Mactavish presser today and he was clear he needs/wants a 2nd line centre (offensive or two-way). We gotta a partner. Just tell McT that Pleky and Pouliot are like Gretz and Kurri. He'd buy it. He seems to buy all sorts of garbage. With Brière and White gone, our C depth isn't what it used to be... Malhotra works on the 4th or 3d line, same for Eller, Desharnais is locked into the top line, so if we trade Pleky, Galchenyuk HAS to be able to play #2 center, we really won't have any other options. As much as I disliked Brière, having him around meant we could always have a top-3 line center go down and not really have any issues. I just watched a couple of games I missed in March, and Eller went down, Brière went up and centered a decent line for a while. Trade Plek, and we're also one injury away from being in trouble, IMO. I know Prust can play center, but to me that's always been a bit of a desperation move and not something we could do for, say, a 10-game stretch.
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 18:24:06 GMT -5
Having Malhotra in the line-up makes Pleks expandable Pleky being Pleky makes Pleky expendable. If Eller signs we have to move Pleky and get AGal in the middle. Saw Mactavish presser today and he was clear he needs/wants a 2nd line centre (offensive or two-way). We gotta a partner. Just tell McT that Pleky and Pouliot are like Gretz and Kurri. He'd buy it. He seems to buy all sorts of garbage. Would a Pleks for Perron swap make sense? Perron's cap hit is $1.2 million less, but his actual salary is $4.25 and $4.5 million in the next two years. Pacioretty-DD-Gallagher Perron-Galch-Parenteau Bournival-Eller-Sekac(where Berg thinks he fits) Prust-Malhotra-Moen
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Post by Skilly on Jul 1, 2014 18:30:27 GMT -5
Pleky being Pleky makes Pleky expendable. If Eller signs we have to move Pleky and get AGal in the middle. Saw Mactavish presser today and he was clear he needs/wants a 2nd line centre (offensive or two-way). We gotta a partner. Just tell McT that Pleky and Pouliot are like Gretz and Kurri. He'd buy it. He seems to buy all sorts of garbage. Would a Pleks for Perron swap make sense? Perron's cap hit is $1.2 million less, but his actual salary is $4.25 and $4.5 million in the next two years. Pacioretty-DD-Gallagher Perron-Galch-Parenteau Bournival-Eller-Sekac(where Berg thinks he fits) Prust-Malhotra-Moen I don't like the second line ....Perron and Parenteau do not go to the net. You'll have to put Bournival on the second line
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 18:36:45 GMT -5
Would a Pleks for Perron swap make sense? Perron's cap hit is $1.2 million less, but his actual salary is $4.25 and $4.5 million in the next two years. Pacioretty-DD-Gallagher Perron-Galch-Parenteau Bournival-Eller-Sekac(where Berg thinks he fits) Prust-Malhotra-Moen I don't like the second line ....Perron and Parenteau do not go to the net. You'll have to put Bournival on the second line Fair point. I think the only way Berg addresses that sort of net drive scoring winger is through two deals. Pleks for picks/cap space. Then flip for the forward of his choice.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 1, 2014 18:39:19 GMT -5
I don't like the second line ....Perron and Parenteau do not go to the net. You'll have to put Bournival on the second line Fair point. I think the only way Berg addresses that sort of net drive scoring winger is through two deals. Pleks for picks/cap space. Then flip for the forward of his choice. I hope he addresses it somehow .... That first line (or second line if MT breaks up Galchenyuk and Gallagher) right winger is a MUST
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Post by PTH on Jul 1, 2014 20:34:42 GMT -5
I don't like the second line ....Perron and Parenteau do not go to the net. You'll have to put Bournival on the second line Fair point. I think the only way Berg addresses that sort of net drive scoring winger is through two deals. Pleks for picks/cap space. Then flip for the forward of his choice. It could be a straight up deal, as well. It would also mean that if both guys made the same kind of money, the cap implications would be nil. Of course, if we look at a guy like Patrick Sharp, on a team already over the cap, then it's clear that it would have to go for a 2-deal solution as outlined above.
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 20:39:54 GMT -5
Love to add a guy like Sharp. He's got a NMC though. Three years left at a hit of $5.9 million. Salary also starts dropping too. Consistent 30g man, reasonably healthy, winner. I think we'd have to move the center for picks and then flip them to Chicago though. Gets very complicated.
Hawks are $2.2 million over the cap. They've got til camp to get under. Be interesting to see how they do it. They've got 7 D signed. Maybe they look at moving Oduya, but they have to get someone cheap to replace him. They could chip away at it by parting with a few smaller pieces up front - Versteeg, Shaw, Smith. They signed Peter Regin today, which suggests that maybe they plan to move out a lower line guy making some change.
Sharp makes perhaps the most sense to move. Toews and Kane extensions loom, and loom big. Hossa's contract make carry with it penalties if he's traded (under the new CBA, those cap circumvention long term deals come with penalties if the player is moved).
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 1, 2014 21:12:31 GMT -5
Having Malhotra in the line-up makes Pleks expandable Pleky being Pleky makes Pleky expendable. If Eller signs we have to move Pleky and get AGal in the middle. Saw Mactavish presser today and he was clear he needs/wants a 2nd line centre (offensive or two-way). We gotta a partner. Just tell McT that Pleky and Pouliot are like Gretz and Kurri. He'd buy it. He seems to buy all sorts of garbage. Plekanec is a very good safe center. Last year we were ready to run DD out of town and then he started to succeed on the right lines. Pleks will have a better year next year. He is a little overpaid, but most of the league is overpaid. We need a sniper, not a Plecky replacement.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 1, 2014 21:18:16 GMT -5
Having Malhotra in the line-up makes Pleks expandable Pleky being Pleky makes Pleky expendable. If Eller signs we have to move Pleky and get AGal in the middle. Saw Mactavish presser today and he was clear he needs/wants a 2nd line centre (offensive or two-way). We gotta a partner. Just tell McT that Pleky and Pouliot are like Gretz and Kurri. He'd buy it. He seems to buy all sorts of garbage. I really hope Bergevin doesn't believe that Maholtra can replace Plekanec ... Tomas isn't built for the rough and tumble game ... I think if he tried to play that way he'd turn out like Benoit Brunet ... and, like Brunet, I suspect people would want to get rid of him because "he's brittle" ... honestly, whatever the deal might be, Bergevin would have to land a top-six forward for Pleks ... he's one of the hardest working players either in a game or in a practice and he's probably one of the best penalty killers we've had for a number of years now ... Cheers.
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Post by habsask on Jul 2, 2014 0:20:50 GMT -5
The thing about trading Plekanec is that he's the most experienced & established among the forwards and on the entire team for that matter. Gionta said Pleks is really looked up to in the room and would be his pick to be the next captain as the young guns aren't quite ready yet. I would agree which leaves a pretty short list - Pleks & Markov?
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Post by seventeen on Jul 2, 2014 0:43:25 GMT -5
Yeah, there's no way I trade Pleks unless its for a solid top 6 guy. The Gorges return was disappointing, so there's no way we should repeat that with Pleks just to make room. We don't have CAP issues so we s/b able to take advantage of someone soon, who does have CAP problems.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 2, 2014 1:20:26 GMT -5
We need a big winger who can score. If we can get that by giving up Pleks and a little more then do it. Pleks is redundant on this team. We have good centres and need to get AGal in there.
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Post by habsask on Jul 2, 2014 11:20:18 GMT -5
Yeah, there's no way I trade Pleks unless its for a solid top 6 guy. The Gorges return was disappointing, so there's no way we should repeat that with Pleks just to make room. We don't have CAP issues so we s/b able to take advantage of someone soon, who does have CAP problems. Yup, feel the same way about centers the way Bad CO feels about defencemen although that presents a problem to get Galchenyuk back to center- but that's MT's problem. As for the return on Gorges I'm not really too disappointed. It would have been nice to get a player/prospect back but who knows what the 2016 draft will look like at this stage- lower 2nd might turn out to be an OK pick. After the way the whole thing went down Bergevin probably did OK on this.
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Post by franko on Jul 2, 2014 12:18:50 GMT -5
As for the return on Gorges I'm not really too disappointed. It would have been nice to get a player/prospect back but who knows what the 2016 draft will look like at this stage- lower 2nd might turn out to be an OK pick. After the way the whole thing went down Bergevin probably did OK on this. there's something about those second rounders that get flipped at the trade deadline . . . just an observation to a possibility.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jul 2, 2014 12:45:16 GMT -5
We need a big winger who can score. If we can get that by giving up Pleks and a little more then do it. Pleks is redundant on this team. We have good centres and need to get AGal in there. Yes. As much as I'd like another stud dman, I think using Pleks as a trade chip to get another dman isn't in the cards given the activity yesterday and the fact that we are still starved for production. I keep coming back to Pleks or Eller + Beaulieu or Tinordi = top 6 forward. Does a package like that get you David Perron or even Nail Yakupov from Edmonton? Or Logan Couture from San Jose? Or Blake Wheeler or Evander Kane? If Berg can add something along those lines then I think we are a real player in the conference and a legit threat to challenge Boston in the division, who was probably the biggest loser yesterday in losing Iginla with nothing to replace him. But without another top 6 forward I'm afraid it's not going to be enough. If we were just waiting for someone to season in Hamilton I could be patient, but there is NOTHING in pipeline in terms of a legit top 6 talent. This problem isn't going away and I'm convinced Berg has the assets to make a trade. He just needs to be able to pull the trigger.
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Post by blny on Jul 2, 2014 12:54:59 GMT -5
I think a trade with the Jets is out after they signed Perreault.
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Post by franko on Jul 2, 2014 13:30:20 GMT -5
Or Logan Couture from San Jose? Or Blake Wheeler or Evander Kane? Thorton [35] at $6.75 for 3 Marleau [34] at $6.67 for 3 Pavelski [29] at $6 for 4 Couture [25] at $6 for 4 I'd love Couture but can't see SJ wanting to part ways with him.
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Post by christrpn on Jul 2, 2014 17:41:17 GMT -5
I see a trade involving Pleks that brings back picks and maybe prospects. saves on the cap. Then a flip to the Hawks for a roster player. Maybe we trade the picks for the roster player then we trade a current roster player for the picks. That seems rather risky since you can't be sure to be able to trade that roster player and then you have to settle for a draft pick down the road.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 7, 2014 14:00:22 GMT -5
Plekanec is a very good player who kills penalties, is defensively responsible and makes players around him better. If he didn't have a contract where he is overpaid for his contribution we would not be talking about trading him. I expect him to bounce back to give us 20+ goals with a minimum of PP time playing against the top lines on other teams. That said, if an opportunity to upgrade the team comes along, trade him. He is a hard working character player, no drugs, no car accidents, missed flights or fights with his neighbors, purse snatching or paternity suits.
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