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Post by blny on Jun 14, 2014 14:03:49 GMT -5
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 14, 2014 14:16:29 GMT -5
That is pretty close to not much more then a bag of pucks.
Brilliant drafting.
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Post by blny on Jun 14, 2014 14:26:15 GMT -5
Definitely a bust. Have to wonder who'd have been picked were the draft not in Montreal that year.
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Post by habsorbed on Jun 14, 2014 14:27:25 GMT -5
Hard to believe that's all we could get for a first round draft choice. But sure beats getting Gomez in return Not sure what the logic is to dump him. Has his potential dropped so much that we'd rather take our chances with a 5th round pick? Talk about a bust.
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Post by blny on Jun 14, 2014 14:31:59 GMT -5
He just continued to fall down the depth chart. Too many forwards have passed him. It's known league-wide. An 18th overall pick from 5 years ago that has a handful of NHL games, and modest production in the AHL, isn't going to get much in return. I don't know what the condition particulars are on the 5th.
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Post by drkcloud on Jun 14, 2014 14:38:39 GMT -5
Definitely a bust. Have to wonder who'd have been picked were the draft not in Montreal that year. Kreider lol I wonder about LLs attitude in Hamilton. He seemed to feel he belonged in Montreal. Good riddance and move on
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Post by duster on Jun 14, 2014 14:41:48 GMT -5
Not surprising. It's a shame really. We'll find out soon enough if he was mishandled by Lefevbre.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 14, 2014 14:45:47 GMT -5
...who wants to bet this guy becomes a steady top9 guy in the NHL...?
Leblanc was not a draft problem (picked right where he was supposed to be), it was a devellopment problem.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 14, 2014 14:59:27 GMT -5
Leblanc biggest problem was between his ears. But if he gets in right situation, could carve out modest NHLcareer as 3rd line winger.
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Post by habernac on Jun 14, 2014 17:30:20 GMT -5
...who wants to bet this guy becomes a steady top9 guy in the NHL...? Leblanc was not a draft problem (picked right where he was supposed to be), it was a devellopment problem. I don't think so, Doc. I remember Bergevin saying he was close in training camp, but that he needed to be the best and hardest working player in Hamilton. He clearly wasn't.
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Post by PTH on Jun 14, 2014 17:39:25 GMT -5
Ouch. We got more than we would have had we just not offered him a deal, but that's it.
He seemed to think his relationship with Lefebvre was ok this season. I didn't dislike him when he was with the Habs, but a 3d/4th liner who's not physical and doesn't produce just doesn't have a spot in today's NHL.
Still, seeing his after seeing the guy picked after him (Kreider) make it to the final, really hurts.
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Post by drkcloud on Jun 14, 2014 18:14:35 GMT -5
We are terrible at first round picks for some reason unless they are top 5 can't miss like Price or Galchy. Fischer out of Minnesota. Drafted McDonagh but didnt really see his top end ability and tossed him away. AK instead of Carter or Richards. Breaks your heart thinking what could have been
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Post by jkr on Jun 14, 2014 18:57:47 GMT -5
Definitely a bust. Have to wonder who'd have been picked were the draft not in Montreal that year. Kreider lol I wonder about LLs attitude in Hamilton. He seemed to feel he belonged in Montreal. Good riddance and move on Ryan O'Reilly went early in the 2nd round. Better than the guys picked around him.
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Post by jkr on Jun 14, 2014 18:59:27 GMT -5
...who wants to bet this guy becomes a steady top9 guy in the NHL...? Leblanc was not a draft problem (picked right where he was supposed to be), it was a devellopment problem. I think it was somewhat a draft problem. When guys like Kreider, Despres & O'Reilly were available I think they gave in to the pressure to draft the hometown guy.
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Post by blny on Jun 14, 2014 19:35:11 GMT -5
Hometown guy. Hometown draft. Centennial. It was doomed to fail.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 14, 2014 20:00:41 GMT -5
What we gave up to acquire Weaver. Fifth in 2015
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 14, 2014 22:11:54 GMT -5
Definitely a bust. Have to wonder who'd have been picked were the draft not in Montreal that year. Kreider lol I wonder about LLs attitude in Hamilton. He seemed to feel he belonged in Montreal. Good riddance and move on Ryan O'Reilly and Kyle Clifford went in the second round that year (hockeydb.com) ... two NHLers with size and speed ... that said, it was too bad he didn't make it last year ... he had an excellent training camp and he really should have made the club ... but the organization brought in (Briere) and that one position dried up ... he did everything organization told him to do up to a point, but he I think he became discouraged ... I'm disappointed that all Leblanc was worth in the end, was a 5th rounder ... still, there's an opportunity for Leblanc in Anaheim with Teemu Selanne retiring ... #bonnechancelouisCheers.
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Post by stoat on Jun 14, 2014 22:32:54 GMT -5
...who wants to bet this guy becomes a steady top9 guy in the NHL...? Leblanc was not a draft problem (picked right where he was supposed to be), it was a devellopment problem. I think you're right.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 14, 2014 23:13:56 GMT -5
No posts from his girlfriend? I heard she traded him for a conditional fifth rounder and future considerations!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 23:37:00 GMT -5
Sometimes players don't work out. It's not necessarily a development problem within the organization itself.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 15, 2014 0:50:04 GMT -5
Sometimes players don't work out. It's not necessarily a development problem within the organization itself. I don't know if they took him all that seriously, Matt ... they just never freed up any room for the guy despite him having an excellent camp ... Cheers.
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 15, 2014 2:31:34 GMT -5
I wonder if this is more about not having the right attitude that MB wants from his players rather then "development". Although that argument will crash in a hurry if he signs Vanek.
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Post by Disp on Jun 15, 2014 5:39:06 GMT -5
Leblanc just doesn't seem to bring enough to the table. Never filled out either. If I remember correctly, his dad is a pretty big dude, looks like he never got that gene.
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Post by christrpn on Jun 15, 2014 6:28:39 GMT -5
I wonder if this is more about not having the right attitude that MB wants from his players rather then "development". Although that argument will crash in a hurry if he signs Vanek. I read that Vanek, Murray and Parros will not get offered contracts.
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Post by christrpn on Jun 15, 2014 6:59:47 GMT -5
He just continued to fall down the depth chart. Too many forwards have passed him. It's known league-wide. An 18th overall pick from 5 years ago that has a handful of NHL games, and modest production in the AHL, isn't going to get much in return. I don't know what the condition particulars are on the 5th. Conditional on if Leblanc plays 15 games for Anaheim next season. Not sure what Habs get if he doesn't. I never saw LL to be particularly talented, at best a third line guy. Not what you want from your first round pick. Seems to be the same with MacCarron, although he has the size to potentially be effective in the role. You want to draft potential top 6 players, bottom six can be signed or traded for. You can also draft them in the later rounds because they will be readily available and if they don't work out you go to the trade route. Cost you a later round pick. As for what we missed when we drafted LL, it isn't too bad. 2006 was worse; first round: Fischer two spots ahead of Giroux. Second round: Maxwell one spot ahead of Lucic. Third round: White five spots ahead of Marchand and six ahead of Clutterbuck I like White, he's an effective fourth line center, but you can replace him with a trade or a FA signing easily. Marchand is a top 6 guy and I don't think anyone will argue that Clutterbuk is more effective in that role than White. I can honestly say that Timmons was asleep at the wheel in that draft. Imagine what we would have now.....
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Post by blny on Jun 15, 2014 9:09:09 GMT -5
He just continued to fall down the depth chart. Too many forwards have passed him. It's known league-wide. An 18th overall pick from 5 years ago that has a handful of NHL games, and modest production in the AHL, isn't going to get much in return. I don't know what the condition particulars are on the 5th. Conditional on if Leblanc plays 15 games for Anaheim next season. Not sure what Habs get if he doesn't. Likely nothing.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 15, 2014 9:53:36 GMT -5
I wonder if this is more about not having the right attitude that MB wants from his players rather then "development". Although that argument will crash in a hurry if he signs Vanek. I read that Vanek, Murray and Parros will not get offered contracts. This is good info, Christrpn ... by change, where did you read this on Vanek? Cheers.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jun 15, 2014 10:30:05 GMT -5
He is a good kid... Apparently he had a good character.... he never really recovered from playing injured two? years ago..... Plus he might be to slender to play regularly in the NHL. To bad i had some hope he would of become a decent i3rd liner in the mild of mike Keene/ Guy Carbonneau.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 15, 2014 11:56:21 GMT -5
And further in his defense, we drafted a centre and then played him on the wing. How eeffective would DD, Pleks or Eller be on the Wing?
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 15, 2014 13:12:53 GMT -5
I wonder if this is more about not having the right attitude that MB wants from his players rather then "development". Although that argument will crash in a hurry if he signs Vanek. I read that Vanek, Murray and Parros will not get offered contracts. Well I heard there was a secret chord That Vanish played and it miffed the Berg But you don't really care for hockey, do you? Well it goes like this: The fourth, the fifth The hockey fail and the money gone The baffled king composing Hallelujah Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah...
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