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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 16:34:52 GMT -5
Post by Polarice on Jun 17, 2014 16:34:52 GMT -5
Again twitter-verse is saying that Subban is looking for a 7 year, 45.5 mil contract!! That comes to 6.5 a year. If true, get it done MB!!!
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 16:44:17 GMT -5
Post by blny on Jun 17, 2014 16:44:17 GMT -5
Again twitter-verse is saying that Subban is looking for a 7 year, 45.5 mil contract!! That comes to 6.5 a year. If true, get it done MB!!! This is one I have trouble believing. If it's true, lock that $hit down.
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 17:14:06 GMT -5
Post by GNick99 on Jun 17, 2014 17:14:06 GMT -5
Again twitter-verse is saying that Subban is looking for a 7 year, 45.5 mil contract!! That comes to 6.5 a year. If true, get it done MB!!! This is real good news
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 17:18:53 GMT -5
Post by blny on Jun 17, 2014 17:18:53 GMT -5
That would be the same salary as Price. If true, it sends a few messages. One, PK wants to win in Montreal and is willing to sacrifice potential income to do so. Two, he's not going to be pressured into upping market value for players (which I believe the union does). Three, he doesn't feel he's anymore important to the team than Price.
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 17:51:41 GMT -5
Post by habsask on Jun 17, 2014 17:51:41 GMT -5
That would be the same salary as Price. If true, it sends a few messages. One, PK wants to win in Montreal and is willing to sacrifice potential income to do so. Two, he's not going to be pressured into upping market value for players (which I believe the union does). Three, he doesn't feel he's anymore important to the team than Price. Agree 100% with everything blny said. But frankly I don't believe stuff floating around on twitter. At least not until it's confirmed by solid reporting- even if that comes from a reporter Tweeting or Twitting or whatever. I don't Twit myself. Edit- something I clipped from my post on Leblanc as an elaboration of my views on Subban: "On the "team first" aspect it's pretty clear how important that is to Bergevin. I am sure he knew full well the dollar risks associated with signing Subban to a short term contract but at the time Subban's "me first" attitude was a concern even among his team mates. Now Subban in his comments stresses the importance of being a team player. So he will cost more for the first 2 or 3 years of his next contract but he will be a good fit with and a leader of the team first culture Bergevin establishing with the Habs."
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 18:15:25 GMT -5
Post by UberCranky on Jun 17, 2014 18:15:25 GMT -5
Really? Seriously?
If this takes more then 1/10 of a nanosecond to think about, I'm going to have a hate-on for BM.
If this is true, this says everything we ever dreamed of for a Habs player. right up there with the Richard and Believeu.
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 18:18:19 GMT -5
Post by UberCranky on Jun 17, 2014 18:18:19 GMT -5
That would be the same salary as Price. If true, it sends a few messages. One, PK wants to win in Montreal and is willing to sacrifice potential income to do so. Two, he's not going to be pressured into upping market value for players (which I believe the union does). Three, he doesn't feel he's anymore important to the team than Price. No kidding. If this is true, rip the C off Gionta and stick it on PK. It would be officially his and Prices team until they retire.
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 18:23:31 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Willie Dog on Jun 17, 2014 18:23:31 GMT -5
Omg I frikkin hope so. If Pk does this its a big fu to the PA and a huge leadership move for him. If he does this he has to get the C and be the leader on this team.
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 18:24:21 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Willie Dog on Jun 17, 2014 18:24:21 GMT -5
That would be the same salary as Price. If true, it sends a few messages. One, PK wants to win in Montreal and is willing to sacrifice potential income to do so. Two, he's not going to be pressured into upping market value for players (which I believe the union does). Three, he doesn't feel he's anymore important to the team than Price. No kidding. If this is true, rip the C off Gionta and stick it on PK. It would be officially his and Prices team until they retire. If this is true cranky what will you change your name to?
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 18:33:57 GMT -5
Post by UberCranky on Jun 17, 2014 18:33:57 GMT -5
No kidding. If this is true, rip the C off Gionta and stick it on PK. It would be officially his and Prices team until they retire. If this is true cranky what will you change your name to? ReallyHappyCranky? Close. I really like HabsAddict....and apparently some a-hole likes it too because he stole it. I have been using HA since '93 and still do so on other boards. I'm waiting for a Cup to retire "Cranky" and variations of it from here. Which when it comes down to it, it's the only site and community I care about.
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 18:39:24 GMT -5
Post by christrpn on Jun 17, 2014 18:39:24 GMT -5
The report I read stated that he's looking for more 7yrs+ for $45M+. Looking for more than Pietreagelo money. Personally, I'm waiting on the 8 yr $68-$72M contract.
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 19:24:56 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 17, 2014 19:24:56 GMT -5
I honestly don't know what the price tag would be, but it has to be more than Dion Phaneuf ... he's our best player and he's already been recognized as the league's best defenseman ... if this does come to fruition I'd like to know what the NHLPA would think about it ...
Cheers.
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 19:41:02 GMT -5
Post by blny on Jun 17, 2014 19:41:02 GMT -5
I think he's looking for Doughty money for sure. That's the bar, the obvious comparison. Anything less than that is a comparative bargain really.
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 20:04:14 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Jun 17, 2014 20:04:14 GMT -5
I think he's looking for Doughty money for sure. That's the bar, the obvious comparison. Anything less than that is a comparative bargain really. Anything less is unlikely
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 22:10:20 GMT -5
Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 17, 2014 22:10:20 GMT -5
DI IT111
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 22:11:02 GMT -5
Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 17, 2014 22:11:02 GMT -5
Do it!!!
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 22:20:52 GMT -5
Post by seventeen on Jun 17, 2014 22:20:52 GMT -5
I was wondering if aliens had gotten ahold of you. Thanks for clarifying.
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Subban
Jun 17, 2014 22:57:03 GMT -5
Post by habsorbed on Jun 17, 2014 22:57:03 GMT -5
Boy, this must be the beginning of silly season. GMs spending all sorts of money and fans believing every rumour they hear. When did the twitter universe become the gospel?
There is absolutely no way PK is signing such a deal. I'd be embarrassed for him. And as has been said it won't sit well with the union. Can't think of one reason why PK would sign that deal. And save me the "team guy" nonsense. If he signed for 7.5 he'd still be a 'team guy'.
Fact is no one would blink an eye if the deal was 8 years at S8 million.
And now to hear Cranky may soon be known as "Happy". Something is not right in the universe, twitter or otherwise.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 7:12:39 GMT -5
Post by BadCompany on Jun 18, 2014 7:12:39 GMT -5
I agree, there is no way that Subban would accept that deal. It may be Bergevin's opening offer, but even at that it's a pretty weak one.
Subban held out at the end of his last contract, and at the end of this year he said something to the effect of "I did my job, now its up to my agent to do his". He's been treated with such disrespect his entire NHL career - and handled it with class and dignity - that I fully expect him to be treated as he deserves to be treated for once. And I don't begrudge him any of that.
As I have said in the past, we should be happy that we have a player that is worthy of such a huge contract, not be upset that he is going to get it.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 8:15:26 GMT -5
Post by Willie Dog on Jun 18, 2014 8:15:26 GMT -5
I agree, there is no way that Subban would accept that deal. It may be Bergevin's opening offer, but even at that it's a pretty weak one. Subban held out at the end of his last contract, and at the end of this year he said something to the effect of "I did my job, now its up to my agent to do his". He's been treated with such disrespect his entire NHL career - and handled it with class and dignity - that I fully expect him to be treated as he deserves to be treated for once. And I don't begrudge him any of that. As I have said in the past, we should be happy that we have a player that is worthy of such a huge contract, not be upset that he is going to get it. You are right BC, he has earned every penny he gets. forget about winning the Norris or anything else, I think the turning point so far in his career was in the series against the Bruins when those racial remarks were made on twitter. He handled it with class, didn't generalize, didn't blame the B's organisation, players or fans. I believe they have, begrudgingly, accepted the fact that he is a star player who deserves respect. They'll still boo him when he touches the puck, but I believe they now, by and large, respect him.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 8:25:01 GMT -5
Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 18, 2014 8:25:01 GMT -5
I use this rhyme with my 2nd grader when we do times tables: "I ate and ate and got sick on the floor, 8 x 8 is 64."
I would be shocked if PK accepts anything less than 8 years @ $8 million year. It could be as high as $9 million in which case I'll need a new rhyme. "I'll bet you wish you were PK too, 9 x 8 is 72!"
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 9:00:52 GMT -5
Post by Polarice on Jun 18, 2014 9:00:52 GMT -5
No one is saying he will take that offer....it's twitter, take it for what it is! However, they were right about Weise...term and money.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 9:23:59 GMT -5
Post by Willie Dog on Jun 18, 2014 9:23:59 GMT -5
BH, here you go...
look at PK, he's not jive, 6.5*7 is 45.5
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 10:59:26 GMT -5
Post by CentreHice on Jun 18, 2014 10:59:26 GMT -5
The tweeted rumour would be less than the great Phaneuf is making over 7 years.
No way that happens.
Although, most agents likely see Nonis's generosity as fatuous overpayment that really doesn't enter into contract negotiation comparisons.
i.e. there's no way Phaneuf would bring that value in a trade….because he doesn't demonstrate that value on the ice.
Much like Gomez's contract not being a comparable.
Future buyout material.
But PK still has to make more than Phaneuf….just out of principle.
I have a feeling they'll settle on 7 @ $8 million per.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 11:26:27 GMT -5
Post by franko on Jun 18, 2014 11:26:27 GMT -5
so here are the comparisons [cap hit followed by actual salary this year] . . .
Weber 7.857 [14.0] Suter 7.538 [12.0] Campbell 7.142 [7.142] Doughty 7.0 [6.7] Chara 6.916 [8.0] Bouwmeester 6.68 [6.6] Boyle 6.68 [6.666] Phaneuf 6.5 Karlsson 6.5 Pietrangelo 6.5
where does PK fit in there?
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 11:35:39 GMT -5
Post by Polarice on Jun 18, 2014 11:35:39 GMT -5
so here are the comparisons [cap hit followed by actual salary this year] . . . Weber 7.857 [14.0] Suter 7.538 [12.0] Campbell 7.142 [7.142] Doughty 7.0 [6.7] Chara 6.916 [8.0] Bouwmeester 6.68 [6.6] Boyle 6.68 [6.666] Phaneuf 6.5 Karlsson 6.5 Pietrangelo 6.5 where does PK fit in there? Like most here I figured somewhere around Doughty, depending on the term.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 11:56:53 GMT -5
Post by Willie Dog on Jun 18, 2014 11:56:53 GMT -5
I'm thinking 8 years at 7.5mill for a 60mill deal.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 12:00:06 GMT -5
Post by seventeen on Jun 18, 2014 12:00:06 GMT -5
so here are the comparisons [cap hit followed by actual salary this year] . . . Weber 7.857 [14.0] Suter 7.538 [12.0] Campbell 7.142 [7.142] Doughty 7.0 [6.7] Chara 6.916 [8.0] Bouwmeester 6.68 [6.6] Boyle 6.68 [6.666] Phaneuf 6.5 Karlsson 6.5 Pietrangelo 6.5 where does PK fit in there? Closer to Doughty numbers, factoring in the CAP in the year Doughty signed his contract. Suter and Weber were UFA signings and were overpriced for the time.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 12:26:38 GMT -5
Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 18, 2014 12:26:38 GMT -5
so here are the comparisons [cap hit followed by actual salary this year] . . . Weber 7.857 [14.0] Suter 7.538 [12.0] Campbell 7.142 [7.142] Doughty 7.0 [6.7] Chara 6.916 [8.0] Bouwmeester 6.68 [6.6] Boyle 6.68 [6.666] Phaneuf 6.5 Karlsson 6.5 Pietrangelo 6.5 where does PK fit in there? Closer to Doughty numbers, factoring in the CAP in the year Doughty signed his contract. Suter and Weber were UFA signings and were overpriced for the time. Exactly. Which is why I'm still pissed at Bergevin for missing the opportunity to lock up PK at better terms 2 years ago. We are effectively going to pay Subban what he would get on the UFA market because that is essentially what he is. Subban has all the leverage in these negotiations. He already took his "hometown discount" with that silly bridge deal.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 13:01:29 GMT -5
Post by Willie Dog on Jun 18, 2014 13:01:29 GMT -5
Closer to Doughty numbers, factoring in the CAP in the year Doughty signed his contract. Suter and Weber were UFA signings and were overpriced for the time. Exactly. Which is why I'm still pissed at Bergevin for missing the opportunity to lock up PK at better terms 2 years ago. We are effectively going to pay Subban what he would get on the UFA market because that is essentially what he is. Subban has all the leverage in these negotiations. He already took his "hometown discount" with that silly bridge deal. A number of us wanted him locked up 2 years ago, like patches was, but they still had concerns about him, so they did a bridge deal. MB did that to set a precedent that you have to earn that fat contract, which PK has done. If, 2 years ago, MB signed him for 6 years at 4.5 mill per and PK became a flop, people would be calling for MBs head. It is what it is and PK will get his money. I'm just glad he plays for us.
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