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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 13:32:34 GMT -5
Post by UberCranky on Jun 18, 2014 13:32:34 GMT -5
I don't really care if he get's 6.5 or 7 or even 7.5, what I care about is the 8's and 9's that will is bandied about.
Fair Deal....he can fire his agent and just sign on the bottom line.
2014-15 $7,000,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2015-16 $7,000,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2016-17 $7,000,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2017-18 $7,500,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2018-19 $7,500,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2019-20 $8,000,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2020-21 $8,000,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2021-22 $8,000,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 .......$60,000,000.00
8 years......$60,000,000.00
"10 limit no go" NTC.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 13:59:11 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by franko on Jun 18, 2014 13:59:11 GMT -5
It's going to be Doughty plus. I'd be surprised if he signed for 7. Maybe 7.75 per over 8. But 8x8 is likely.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 15:42:36 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 18, 2014 15:42:36 GMT -5
It's going to be Doughty plus. I'd be surprised if he signed for 7. Maybe 7.75 per over 8. But 8x8 is likely. According to Andy Strickland, PK will be looking for something north of 7 years/$45.5 million. "The Score" has this tweet referenced on their site. Cheers.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 15:46:31 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 18, 2014 15:46:31 GMT -5
I don't really care if he get's 6.5 or 7 or even 7.5, what I care about is the 8's and 9's that will is bandied about. Fair Deal....he can fire his agent and just sign on the bottom line. 2014-15 $7,000,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2015-16 $7,000,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2016-17 $7,000,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2017-18 $7,500,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2018-19 $7,500,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2019-20 $8,000,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2020-21 $8,000,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 2021-22 $8,000,000.00 .. $7,500,000.00 .......$60,000,000.00 8 years......$60,000,000.00 "10 limit no go" NTC. I'd very much like to see a deal done soon ... get PK out of the way and then land that top-6 forward. Cheers.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 16:15:42 GMT -5
Post by blny on Jun 18, 2014 16:15:42 GMT -5
I said many moons ago that I figured he'd be in for the equivalent of Doughty under the new cap. That's in that $7.75-8 million per range. Love to get him for less than that, but it's truly unlikely.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 16:22:33 GMT -5
Post by christrpn on Jun 18, 2014 16:22:33 GMT -5
I still think we<re looking at north of $8M. As for term, lock him up for 8 yrs. Molson will not be missing the money.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 16:57:41 GMT -5
Post by seventeen on Jun 18, 2014 16:57:41 GMT -5
$7.5 over 8 years. Let's be fair to him and lock him up for the long run.
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Subban
Jun 18, 2014 17:29:25 GMT -5
Post by franko on Jun 18, 2014 17:29:25 GMT -5
fearless prediction:
10, 9, 9, 8, 8, 7, 7, 6
but then again, who am I and what do I know?
my big concern: that he'll want Phaneuf-like numbers. as in, "if he's worth that, what am I owrth?"!
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Subban
Jun 27, 2014 15:30:15 GMT -5
Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 27, 2014 15:30:15 GMT -5
$7.5 over 8 years. Let's be fair to him and lock him up for the long run. In six years, $7.5 million May seem like a bargain. Then again, what will Subban have to do without if he signs for $60 million instead of $70 million? It's a little crazy, but there could be a lot more in endorsements for a nice fan friendly role model than the most hated guy in the league (right or wrong). When both parties leave the table in a win win it's better than zero sum negotiations. Fair and honorable, not Hobson's choice.
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Subban
Jun 27, 2014 15:37:13 GMT -5
Post by blny on Jun 27, 2014 15:37:13 GMT -5
Next year's cap is supposed to be announced at some point today, and I've read that there are those that expect the cap for 2015-16 to reach $75 million.
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Subban
Jun 27, 2014 15:56:40 GMT -5
Post by blny on Jun 27, 2014 15:56:40 GMT -5
Lu reporting that cap for 14-15 is $51-69 million.
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Subban
Jun 27, 2014 16:08:57 GMT -5
Post by franko on Jun 27, 2014 16:08:57 GMT -5
Lu reporting that cap for 14-15 is $51-69 million. guess we'll find out soon enough; heard $71M 12% = $8.5M . . .
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Subban
Jun 27, 2014 16:12:33 GMT -5
Post by christrpn on Jun 27, 2014 16:12:33 GMT -5
Cap officially set at $69M. That will hurt several teams, including the Habs. Bit over $17M to spend, Subban needs to sign, Eller needs to sign and we need one more depth center and at least Two RW. One of which has to fit #1 standard.......
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Subban
Jun 27, 2014 16:18:02 GMT -5
Post by GNick99 on Jun 27, 2014 16:18:02 GMT -5
Lu reporting that cap for 14-15 is $51-69 million. guess we'll find out soon enough; heard $71M 12% = $8.5M . . . Is 12% the max a player is allowed?
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Subban
Jun 27, 2014 16:26:01 GMT -5
Post by Anardil1 on Jun 27, 2014 16:26:01 GMT -5
Guess that the Borg wasn't making excuses about the cap regarding letting Vanek go after all.
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Subban
Jun 27, 2014 16:34:03 GMT -5
Post by blny on Jun 27, 2014 16:34:03 GMT -5
69 mill certainly means less room, but to me it means you can't add two pieces of significance without removal of current roster players. You can still add one. They can, and imo should, qualify Eller. He's still got some things to prove. Qualifying him would cost $1.5 million I believe. That eats up 175k of space not already allocated.
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Subban
Jun 27, 2014 17:43:58 GMT -5
Post by franko on Jun 27, 2014 17:43:58 GMT -5
guess we'll find out soon enough; heard $71M 12% = $8.5M . . . Is 12% the max a player is allowed? nope, 20. but any team that gives that much to one player is toast -- not enough to go to other ingredients. personal philosophy, that's all: no player on my team gets more than 12 or 13% of the current [during negotiations] cap. [of course, I'm not involved in any negotiations, and any player can look at the percentage and say "too low"].
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Subban
Jun 27, 2014 18:47:38 GMT -5
Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 27, 2014 18:47:38 GMT -5
Cap officially set at $69M. That will hurt several teams, including the Habs. Bit over $17M to spend, Subban needs to sign, Eller needs to sign and we need one more depth center and at least Two RW. One of which has to fit #1 standard....... Seems to me the cap is ties to revenue and I'm sure that revenue has gone up this year. Remember the good old days when a GM just considered the way someone skates and shoots, not cap terms and space. Does the NHL really need 30 teams including markets like Phoenix and more teams in California than Ontario or more in Florida than Quebec?
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Subban
Jun 29, 2014 13:23:13 GMT -5
Post by habsorbed on Jun 29, 2014 13:23:13 GMT -5
This is getting stupid. MB should realize he's going to sign PK and he should get it done. Any interested FA on Tues is going to want to know if PK is a Hab. MB also needs to know how much money he has to spend. Close the deal MB!
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Subban
Jun 29, 2014 13:29:59 GMT -5
Post by seventeen on Jun 29, 2014 13:29:59 GMT -5
Still a day and a half to go. Lots of time.
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Subban
Jun 29, 2014 14:00:40 GMT -5
Post by blny on Jun 29, 2014 14:00:40 GMT -5
Regarding the cap, Fehr advised the players to approve setting the cap at $71 million. They chose to ignore and set it at $69 million. Larry Brooks has a full article on it that I caught a piece of on hfboards. By decreasing the cap ceiling, against their boss's advice (a guy that knows more about it than the union minds combined), those already signed to exuberant contracts have limited the ability of this year's UFA crop to cash in (to the level they might have were it at $71 million). $2 million doesn't sound like much, but it hinders everyone who isn't a premium UFA. In other words, it's class warfare within the union again.
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Subban
Jun 29, 2014 17:18:17 GMT -5
Post by seventeen on Jun 29, 2014 17:18:17 GMT -5
That's an interesting decision by the NHLPA. You'd think it was a no brainer to opt for the higher CAP as everyone benefits in the long run. I wonder what their reasoning was?
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Subban
Jun 29, 2014 17:19:41 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 29, 2014 17:19:41 GMT -5
fearless prediction: 10, 9, 9, 8, 8, 7, 7, 6 but then again, who am I and what do I know? my big concern: that he'll want Phaneuf-like numbers. as in, "if he's worth that, what am I owrth?"! Phaneuf is my measuring stick as well, Franko ... however, my concern is if the Leafs actually get a taker and a decent return for him ... to be fair, I honestly think Phaneuf is probably still the best leader they have in Toronto ... a lot of passengers on the Leafs, I dare say ... Cheers.
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Subban
Jun 29, 2014 17:42:30 GMT -5
Post by blny on Jun 29, 2014 17:42:30 GMT -5
That's an interesting decision by the NHLPA. You'd think it was a no brainer to opt for the higher CAP as everyone benefits in the long run. I wonder what their reasoning was? Who knows? Again, the membership disregards the man they hired to litigate on their behalf. I don't know if the whole membership votes on a matter like that, or if team reps merely vote on behalf, etc. If the whole membership votes, I'd love to see stats (salary vs. the vote they cast). Regardless, those players under contract clearly made a move that hinders the membership looking for work, and it hinders the marginal guys, the grinders, who might have to get sacrificed on bubble teams. Look at the Hawks and Rangers. We knew the Rangers would be shedding, but the Hawks traded one of the best 4th liners in the league, Bollig, to the Flames for a 3rd rounder because they were under the impression that it would be set to $71 million. How do people think Bollig feels? He's going from a perennial contender to a team in rebuild mode. Bollig might get a bigger role in Calgary, but he won't be getting a sniff at the playoffs for a while (in all likelihood).
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Subban
Jun 30, 2014 7:02:21 GMT -5
Post by jkr on Jun 30, 2014 7:02:21 GMT -5
I'm just afraid that someone else is going to do Bergevin's negotiating for him & he's going to have to respond to a big offer sheet. The season ended a month ago & nothing's been done here.
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Subban
Jun 30, 2014 7:59:37 GMT -5
Post by blny on Jun 30, 2014 7:59:37 GMT -5
I'm just afraid that someone else is going to do Bergevin's negotiating for him & he's going to have to respond to a big offer sheet. The season ended a month ago & nothing's been done here. That's a potential concern. Part of me wonders though, how complicated is the actual negotiation? The nuts and bolts, and legalese of all contracts is roughly the same. It's years, money, and any NTC's. Those three things shouldn't take long to hammer out if the sides are remotely close. I don't get the feeling PK is looking to leave either, which suggests that even of other teams approach he may not accept the offer.
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Subban
Jun 30, 2014 10:05:20 GMT -5
Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 30, 2014 10:05:20 GMT -5
I think Bergevin needs to get this settled asap. The trade market has been quite active and you want to know exactly how big Subban's number is going to be, since it could impact other possible trade options and how much salary we can take on.
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Subban
Jun 30, 2014 10:51:06 GMT -5
Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 30, 2014 10:51:06 GMT -5
I'm just afraid that someone else is going to do Bergevin's negotiating for him & he's going to have to respond to a big offer sheet. The season ended a month ago & nothing's been done here. I don't think it's fiat to say nothing has been done. That implies that all Berg has to do is pick a number and Subban will sign. We saw last contract that Subban waited until after the start of the season to sign and isn't in a big rush to accept the first offer. Subban is our star and should be paid as such, but we need to sign 24 guys fur under $69 million and that is the restriction Berg faces. Subban understands that. It is important to be UNDER the cap when time comes to make a run for the playoffs. Flexibility to do a trade to improve the team is necessary. I love Subbans game, our most entertaining player but I cheered for the CH before Beliveau joined and left the team, before Ferguson and Lafleur and Robinson. This is a team game and it's more than any one player.
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Subban
Jul 5, 2014 15:45:35 GMT -5
Post by GNick99 on Jul 5, 2014 15:45:35 GMT -5
Elliotte Friedman @friedgehnic 18m Sometime before the deadline -- which is in 35 mins -- PK Subban will file for arbitration
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Subban
Jul 5, 2014 15:56:52 GMT -5
Post by CentreHice on Jul 5, 2014 15:56:52 GMT -5
Elliotte Friedman @friedgehnic 18m Sometime before the deadline -- which is in 35 mins -- PK Subban will file for arbitration That is too bad. I'd like to trust MB in this situation. Perhaps Subban's camp is asking for the moon. And perhaps MB blew it with that bridge deal. I really doubt MB is low-balling him, though. If Subban and his agent are playing cocky-hardball, then perhaps this is the way it should play out.
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