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Post by habernac on Jun 18, 2014 14:33:12 GMT -5
Canadiens Montréal @canadiensmtl 16m The Canadiens will retire Guy Lapointe’s jersey in 2014-15. A press conference involving Geoff Molson and G. Lapointe to come on Thursday.
Nice to hear. All of the Big Three will finally be in the rafters.
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 18, 2014 14:43:14 GMT -5
Congrats to Pointu!
Lemaire HAS to be next.
1967/68 to 1978-79. 12 seasons, 8 Cups.
Reg. Season: 835 pts. in 853 games. Playoffs: 139 pts. in 145 games.
The guy was clutch…especially come playoff time.
IIRC…he was also very responsible defensively…a dogged checker.
I know Fergie doesn't stand a chance….but I bet every player on those 5 Cup winners in his 8 years would say he was a MAJOR factor. The league's top policeman and could also score and make plays.
Has there been another like him since?
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Post by Polarice on Jun 18, 2014 15:12:28 GMT -5
That's 16 #'s I think.....not going to be many left under 20. However, this is well deserved, I will be looking forward to watching the ceremony!!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 18, 2014 15:34:45 GMT -5
So much for Toronto's Big Four ... sorry ... had to ...
Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 18, 2014 15:43:54 GMT -5
So much for Toronto's Big Four ... sorry ... had to ... Cheers. Lol.... Nice dis Dis Very glad to hear this. Very deserving. It would be very cool if they could also honour non players like coaches and GMs. They could put a ring of honour between the 100 and 200 levels like they have at cowboys stadium. Blake, Irvin, Bowman, Pollock and Selke are also deserving.
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Post by HFTO on Jun 18, 2014 16:16:17 GMT -5
finally..... This guy was good really good and played in the shadow of not his own D partners but Orr Park and Potvin... Congrats!
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 18, 2014 16:26:12 GMT -5
I for one like the way Toronto does it. Honor numbers and raise them to the rafters, but don't take them out of circulation. We already look like a football team with all those weird numbers.
1,2,4,5,7,9,10,12,16,18,19,23.... those are all the best numbers for a hockey jersey. It's kind of a shame we'll never see them on the ice again.
And I think some of this is just a feel-good bone to throw to the ex-players, the media, and an excuse to have a ceremony at the rink. Guy Lapointe is a HOFer and has plenty of rings, but I'm not sure he was every a truly elite defenseman like Robinson and Doug Harvey. Same with guys like Cournoyer and Gainey. Great Habs, great champions, but not elite players. It should be a more exclusive honor and I think it's been cheapened a bit.
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Post by habernac on Jun 18, 2014 16:30:36 GMT -5
Lots of numbers to choose from, I'm fine with jersey retirements.
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Post by jkr on Jun 18, 2014 16:52:07 GMT -5
I for one like the way Toronto does it. Honor numbers and raise them to the rafters, but don't take them out of circulation. We already look like a football team with all those weird numbers. 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,12,16,18,19,23.... those are all the best numbers for a hockey jersey. It's kind of a shame we'll never see them on the ice again. And I think some of this is just a feel-good bone to throw to the ex-players, the media, and an excuse to have a ceremony at the rink. Guy Lapointe is a HOFer and has plenty of rings, but I'm not sure he was every a truly elite defenseman like Robinson and Doug Harvey. Same with guys like Cournoyer and Gainey. Great Habs, great champions, but not elite players. It should be a more exclusive honor and I think it's been cheapened a bit. I'm with you on this one 100% Hate the football numbers.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 18, 2014 16:59:15 GMT -5
Me too. It's hard to remember past 30. Raise the numbers, but let them shine on the ice again.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 18, 2014 17:14:48 GMT -5
That's 16 #'s I think.....not going to be many left under 20. However, this is well deserved, I will be looking forward to watching the ceremony!! 5 is already retired
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 18, 2014 22:04:36 GMT -5
That's 16 #'s I think.....not going to be many left under 20. However, this is well deserved, I will be looking forward to watching the ceremony!! 5 is already retired Only 6 of the 15 retired Habs' numbers were never worn again after the so-honoured player left or retired….or in #7's case, died. #4 Beliveau (He offered it to Lafleur, seeing as it was Guy's Jr. number….but Guy didn't want the added pressure, reportedly.) #7 Morenz #9 M. Richard #16 H. Richard (Lach was honoured at a later date.) #19 Robinson #33 Roy I'd include #10 Lafleur, but the Hockey Reference site for all-time Habs' jerseys lists Craig Darby as wearing #10 in 94-95…10 years after Lafleur's #10 was raised to the rafters. I'm thinking that might be an error. Anyway….. 3 of the numbers are now shared. #5 Geoffrion, Lapointe. #12 Cournoyer, Moore #16 H. Richard, Lach. Once the number is retired, it's off-limits for future wear….I'm fine with that. But they can include others who wore it during its circulation. So, there may yet be hope for guys like Jacques Laperriere (#2) and J.C. Tremblay (#3) who were fantastic dmen.
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 18, 2014 22:45:37 GMT -5
I for one like the way Toronto does it. Honor numbers and raise them to the rafters, but don't take them out of circulation. We already look like a football team with all those weird numbers. 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,12,16,18,19,23.... those are all the best numbers for a hockey jersey. It's kind of a shame we'll never see them on the ice again. And I think some of this is just a feel-good bone to throw to the ex-players, the media, and an excuse to have a ceremony at the rink. Guy Lapointe is a HOFer and has plenty of rings, but I'm not sure he was every a truly elite defenseman like Robinson and Doug Harvey. Same with guys like Cournoyer and Gainey. Great Habs, great champions, but not elite players. It should be a more exclusive honor and I think it's been cheapened a bit. Agreed. I never saw Lapointe as elite either.
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 19, 2014 1:23:03 GMT -5
-played on Team Canada 1972...missing only Game 4.
-finished second to Orr for the Norris in 72/73. First all-star team.
-three straight Second all-star teams, 74/75-77/78.
-still holds the team record for dmen with 28 goals.
- scored 25 playoff goals...ties him with Robinson for team dman lead.
-ranks second in Habs' dman scoring, behind Robinson.
-elected to the HHOF in 1993.
Yes, it was a different era....but he was one of the best of his time and deserving of the elite label. The Habs just happened to have 3 of them at the same time.
Yeah, we were spoiled.
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Post by habernac on Jun 19, 2014 8:10:12 GMT -5
I for one like the way Toronto does it. Honor numbers and raise them to the rafters, but don't take them out of circulation. We already look like a football team with all those weird numbers. 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,12,16,18,19,23.... those are all the best numbers for a hockey jersey. It's kind of a shame we'll never see them on the ice again. And I think some of this is just a feel-good bone to throw to the ex-players, the media, and an excuse to have a ceremony at the rink. Guy Lapointe is a HOFer and has plenty of rings, but I'm not sure he was every a truly elite defenseman like Robinson and Doug Harvey. Same with guys like Cournoyer and Gainey. Great Habs, great champions, but not elite players. It should be a more exclusive honor and I think it's been cheapened a bit. Gainey wasn't elite? They basically created a trophy for him that he won the first 4 years of its existence.
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Post by madhabber on Jun 19, 2014 8:28:19 GMT -5
On any other team, this would not be questioned. I mentioned on another forum that the Habs should do partially like the Leafs and honour all of these numbers including Saku, Lemaire, Laperriere, JC Tremblay, Blake etc. Only a select few should be retired. Plante, Harvey, Beliveau, Morenz, Richard, Lafleur.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 19, 2014 9:33:36 GMT -5
I for one like the way Toronto does it. Honor numbers and raise them to the rafters, but don't take them out of circulation. We already look like a football team with all those weird numbers. 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,12,16,18,19,23.... those are all the best numbers for a hockey jersey. It's kind of a shame we'll never see them on the ice again. And I think some of this is just a feel-good bone to throw to the ex-players, the media, and an excuse to have a ceremony at the rink. Guy Lapointe is a HOFer and has plenty of rings, but I'm not sure he was every a truly elite defenseman like Robinson and Doug Harvey. Same with guys like Cournoyer and Gainey. Great Habs, great champions, but not elite players. It should be a more exclusive honor and I think it's been cheapened a bit. Gainey wasn't elite? They basically created a trophy for him that he won the first 4 years of its existence. They invented a term called "power forward" for Cam Neeley but they never created an award for it ... not only did they create an award for the league's best defensive forward because of Gainey, but Soviet coach, Viktor Tikhonov, acknowledged him as "the best player in the world" ... maybe it's something, maybe not ... but the Soviets weren't very generous with their compliments about Canadian hockey or Canadian players ... Cheers.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 19, 2014 9:55:39 GMT -5
Only a select few should be retired. Plante, Harvey, Beliveau, Morenz, Richard, Lafleur. I kind of agree with those. There are the greats and then pantheon type players like Richard, Beliveau, and Lafleur. And I think a future young Hab would almost be too intimidated to pull on a jersey with a #9 or #10 on the back of it even if he could. Same thing with #99 in Edmonton and #4 in Boston or #66 in Pittsburgh. Some jerseys are just sacred. But I think we've gotten a bit carried away in Montreal with something like 15 retired numbers. You can tell if a player is truly deserving of the honor if nobody every wears the number again. Several guys wore #12 after Moore and Cournoyer, including Mike Keane and Serge Boisvert! Rick Green wore #5, Tom Kurvers and Mathieu Schneider wore #18, Brian Bellows wore #23, and Gaston Gingras wore #29! Nobody has worn 4,9,10 since those guys retired and 19 has been off limits since Robinson, which tells you where he stands among the all-time greats. It's not a big deal obviously, but I'm a traditionalist about these things. I like numbers from 1-31 and HOME WHITES! I still haven't gotten over the switch to wearing the colors at home. There is something about the dark jersey that looks more "classy" on the road. I know the switch was mainly about creating and marketing 3rd jersies to the local fan base, but I find that trend has kind of fizzled. Bring back the home whites!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 19, 2014 10:51:28 GMT -5
On any other team, this would not be questioned. I mentioned on another forum that the Habs should do partially like the Leafs and honour all of these numbers including Saku, Lemaire, Laperriere, JC Tremblay, Blake etc. Only a select few should be retired. Plante, Harvey, Beliveau, Morenz, Richard, Lafleur. Some of these players mean something special to me ... Saku Koivu: Had the club won a championship under his tenure I dare say his number would be considered for retirement ... heart of a lion and unfairly pushed into a no.1 centre position on years of sub-par teams ... it was unfair to Saku and despite what Gainey said about him, he was never a no.1 centre ... and when he got injured, he really got injured ... he'd be down for months at a time ... Jacques Lemaire: The standard by which all-around centres are measured ... only Brian Trottier and (Bowman-trained) Steve Yzerman can compare ... he possessed a legendary slapshot possibly only rivaled back in the day by the Hull brothers ... a Hall-of-Famer ... I can't say one way or the other but if they do decide to retire his number I'd be okay with it ... Jacques Laperriere: Things started going downhill when we lost Carbonneau and Roy, but I thought our defence corps was never the same after losing Laperriere ... Pat Burns knew what he had in Laperriere and look at how successful those teams were with that combination behind the bench ... JC Tremblay: When I was growing up JC Tremblay was known as a true gentleman on the ice ... everyone liked JC and when he passed it deflated me a bit ... that's not enough to get his number retired ... still he, Jacques Lemaire and Pete Mahovlich remain my three fave Habs of all time ... Guy Lapointe: He's a Hall-of-Famer ... that should count for something ... I don't have a problem with his number going to the rafters ... Cheers.
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Post by franko on Jun 19, 2014 11:03:52 GMT -5
I like numbers from 1-31 and HOME WHITES! I still haven't gotten over the switch to wearing the colors at home. There is something about the dark jersey that looks more "classy" on the road. I know the switch was mainly about creating and marketing 3rd jersies to the local fan base, but I find that trend has kind of fizzled. Bring back the home whites!
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Post by madhabber on Jun 19, 2014 11:20:47 GMT -5
Only a select few should be retired. Plante, Harvey, Beliveau, Morenz, Richard, Lafleur. I kind of agree with those. There are the greats and then pantheon type players like Richard, Beliveau, and Lafleur. And I think a future young Hab would almost be too intimidated to pull on a jersey with a #9 or #10 on the back of it even if he could. Same thing with #99 in Edmonton and #4 in Boston or #66 in Pittsburgh. Some jerseys are just sacred. But I think we've gotten a bit carried away in Montreal with something like 15 retired numbers. You can tell if a player is truly deserving of the honor if nobody every wears the number again. Several guys wore #12 after Moore and Cournoyer, including Mike Keane and Serge Boisvert! Rick Green wore #5, Tom Kurvers and Mathieu Schneider wore #18, Brian Bellows wore #23, and Gaston Gingras wore #29! Nobody has worn 4,9,10 since those guys retired and 19 has been off limits since Robinson, which tells you where he stands among the all-time greats. It's not a big deal obviously, but I'm a traditionalist about these things. I like numbers from 1-31 and HOME WHITES! I still haven't gotten over the switch to wearing the colors at home. There is something about the dark jersey that looks more "classy" on the road. I know the switch was mainly about creating and marketing 3rd jersies to the local fan base, but I find that trend has kind of fizzled. Bring back the home whites! I agree that's why I suggested honouring those jerseys but not retiring them. There is no shame in having your jersey #5 or #23 or whatever #, up in the rafters but also on the back of an existing player. Only the best of the best never get worn again. I also can't get used to the idea of the white jersey on the road and the red at home. It doesn't seem right to me. I'm also a traditionalist and I remember thinking back in the day, what was Chris Nilan doing with a goalie number. But I also thought that Tretiak's # was odd because it was too low. Then that Czeck goalie came in at the 76 Canada Cup with #2 and I thought, WTH, this isn't right.
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 19, 2014 11:35:01 GMT -5
You can tell if a player is truly deserving of the honor if nobody every wears the number again. Several guys wore #12 after Moore and Cournoyer, including Mike Keane and Serge Boisvert! Rick Green wore #5, Tom Kurvers and Mathieu Schneider wore #18, Brian Bellows wore #23, and Gaston Gingras wore #29! Nobody has worn 4,9,10 since those guys retired and 19 has been off limits since Robinson, which tells you where he stands among the all-time greats. I posted above...only 7 of the 15 numbers were never worn again after the honoured player left, retired...or died, in Morenz's case. 4, 7, 9, 10 (even though it's cited that Craig Darby wore #10 in 94-95...but I doubt that), 16, 19, and 33. Beliveau offered #4 to Lafleur, but Guy didn't want the pressure....as you say....the number was revered. On the hockey-reference site, only 2 Habs are recorded as wearing #16...and both are in the rafters. History is all-too-soon passed over or no longer celebrated. We've had several iconic players, but they shouldn't cast a shadow of non-recognition on all our other bona fide superstars, relative to the era. It's why we have 24 Cups.
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Post by blny on Jun 19, 2014 13:46:17 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Jun 22, 2014 12:53:09 GMT -5
You can tell if a player is truly deserving of the honor if nobody every wears the number again. Several guys wore #12 after Moore and Cournoyer, including Mike Keane and Serge Boisvert! Rick Green wore #5, Tom Kurvers and Mathieu Schneider wore #18, Brian Bellows wore #23, and Gaston Gingras wore #29! Nobody has worn 4,9,10 since those guys retired and 19 has been off limits since Robinson, which tells you where he stands among the all-time greats. I posted above...only 7 of the 15 numbers were never worn again after the honoured player left, retired...or died, in Morenz's case. 4, 7, 9, 10 (even though it's cited that Craig Darby wore #10 in 94-95...but I doubt that), 16, 19, and 33. Beliveau offered #4 to Lafleur, but Guy didn't want the pressure....as you say....the number was revered. On the hockey-reference site, only 2 Habs are recorded as wearing #16...and both are in the rafters. History is all-too-soon passed over or no longer celebrated. We've had several iconic players, but they shouldn't cast a shadow of non-recognition on all our other bona fide superstars, relative to the era. It's why we have 24 Cups. From 1929-1943, 17 players wore #16 .... The most notable was Toe Blake in 1936-37
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Post by Skilly on Jun 22, 2014 12:57:17 GMT -5
I for one like the way Toronto does it. Honor numbers and raise them to the rafters, but don't take them out of circulation. We already look like a football team with all those weird numbers. 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,12,16,18,19,23.... those are all the best numbers for a hockey jersey. It's kind of a shame we'll never see them on the ice again. And I think some of this is just a feel-good bone to throw to the ex-players, the media, and an excuse to have a ceremony at the rink. Guy Lapointe is a HOFer and has plenty of rings, but I'm not sure he was every a truly elite defenseman like Robinson and Doug Harvey. Same with guys like Cournoyer and Gainey. Great Habs, great champions, but not elite players. It should be a more exclusive honor and I think it's been cheapened a bit. Gainey wasn't elite? They basically created a trophy for him that he won the first 4 years of its existence. I think Gainey was unique, not elite. Gainey highlighted the defensive side of the game. However, it took a mere 15-20 seasons for this trophy to be bastardized from a defensive specialist trophy, to a trophy awarded to the highest scoring second liner (and sometime first liner).
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Post by Skilly on Jun 22, 2014 13:00:10 GMT -5
I for one like the way Toronto does it. Honor numbers and raise them to the rafters, but don't take them out of circulation. We already look like a football team with all those weird numbers. 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,12,16,18,19,23.... those are all the best numbers for a hockey jersey. It's kind of a shame we'll never see them on the ice again. And I think some of this is just a feel-good bone to throw to the ex-players, the media, and an excuse to have a ceremony at the rink. Guy Lapointe is a HOFer and has plenty of rings, but I'm not sure he was every a truly elite defenseman like Robinson and Doug Harvey. Same with guys like Cournoyer and Gainey. Great Habs, great champions, but not elite players. It should be a more exclusive honor and I think it's been cheapened a bit. I agree. The player should be honoured, which would mean more players would receive recognition. And if the player was extra special than he could have his number retired.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 22, 2014 13:07:19 GMT -5
You can tell if a player is truly deserving of the honor if nobody every wears the number again. Several guys wore #12 after Moore and Cournoyer, including Mike Keane and Serge Boisvert! Rick Green wore #5, Tom Kurvers and Mathieu Schneider wore #18, Brian Bellows wore #23, and Gaston Gingras wore #29! Nobody has worn 4,9,10 since those guys retired and 19 has been off limits since Robinson, which tells you where he stands among the all-time greats. I posted above...only 7 of the 15 numbers were never worn again after the honoured player left, retired...or died, in Morenz's case. 4, 7, 9, 10 (even though it's cited that Craig Darby wore #10 in 94-95...but I doubt that), 16, 19, and 33. Beliveau offered #4 to Lafleur, but Guy didn't want the pressure....as you say....the number was revered. On the hockey-reference site, only 2 Habs are recorded as wearing #16...and both are in the rafters. History is all-too-soon passed over or no longer celebrated. We've had several iconic players, but they shouldn't cast a shadow of non-recognition on all our other bona fide superstars, relative to the era. It's why we have 24 Cups. Craig Darby wore #10 on the Fredericton Canadiens in 1994-95 .... I believe he wore #14 in Montreal. (Don't quote me there though) I'm pretty sure Darby also wore #63 at one point in Montreal too
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Post by franko on Jun 22, 2014 13:52:28 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Darby also wore #63 at one point in Montreal too give the man a ce-gar. #63 with the Habs
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 22, 2014 14:51:32 GMT -5
.... I believe he wore #14 in Montreal. (Don't quote me there though) I'm pretty sure Darby also wore #63 at one point in Montreal too Yes, I Googled "Craig Darby Jersey Number" and the page franko posted comes up on the first page of results, with a big #63, along with #14 listed as "other number". But I checked, and so far I find that he wore #14 with the Flyers in 97-98. No record of it on the Habs (that I can find). He wore #63 in 99-00, 00-01, and 01-02 with the Habs. The question is what number did he wear for his 10 games with the Habs in 94-95? Hockey-reference says #10…but I think that's a typo. Nobody has worn it since Lafleur's ceremony in 1985. That could be it. 10 games of wearing #14 , as no one else is credited with wearing that jersey on hockey-reference. Kevin Haller had worn it from 91-92 to 93-94, and it doesn't show up again until Terry Ryan in 96-97. Seems plausible.
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Post by franko on Jun 22, 2014 16:09:35 GMT -5
yup, according to the Habs web site [and you figure that they'd know] "other numbers": 14
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