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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 30, 2014 13:14:53 GMT -5
Not sure I like it. We get worst in terms of cap... for a player that I highly doubt will work with Therrien
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Post by habernac on Jun 30, 2014 13:15:57 GMT -5
can't believe serial bullcrapper Eklund was right
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Post by habernac on Jun 30, 2014 13:16:12 GMT -5
Canadiens Montréal @canadiensmtl 36s Canadiens acquire Pierre-Alexandre Parenteau and a 5th round pick in 2015 from Colorado, for Daniel Brière.->> goha.bs/1r73UX4
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 30, 2014 13:27:42 GMT -5
Instant reaction is meh, but I haven't really watched the guy. We get out of Briere's 1-year and $4 million contract and take back Parenteau's 2-years at $4 million. So that's less flexibility for a player that is younger, but I'm not sure it makes us any better.
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Post by Douper on Jun 30, 2014 13:30:56 GMT -5
I hope Parenteau plays more than 11 minutes a game. I like the deal.
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Post by HabSolute on Jun 30, 2014 13:31:43 GMT -5
MB is on a mission....
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jun 30, 2014 13:36:07 GMT -5
insert code here At first impression... Very good value!! Trade a player not likely in our top 12 for a player who will get every opportunity for top six minutes plus a 5 th .... Bergeron is earning his money today lol
@ericengels: Don't think the #habs are done with announcements today. Not at all...
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Post by jkr on Jun 30, 2014 13:37:21 GMT -5
can't believe serial bullcrapper Eklund was right LOL - that's the stunning thing about this deal.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 30, 2014 13:38:25 GMT -5
To me this is kind of a blah trade except that Parenteau is a right winger and we're losing Gionta, so he replaces the position and the points. We could still use a top 6 right winger who is a better scorer than PA.
This is certainly different from the Gainey years as far as activity goes. Obviously a GM can't do this every year, but in a year where a shift is taking place, this is good to see.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 30, 2014 13:45:05 GMT -5
To me this is kind of a blah trade except that Parenteau is a right winger and we're losing Gionta, so he replaces the position and the points. We could still use a top 6 right winger who is a better scorer than PA. Good point. Parenteau is in more ways a replacement for Gionta on the top 2/3 lines rather than a replacement for Briere. So despite the flurry and the unsettled situation with Gorges, so far Berg is replacing assets more than he is adding anything of real value. But we shall see how this plays out.
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Post by Douper on Jun 30, 2014 13:48:16 GMT -5
To me this is kind of a blah trade except that Parenteau is a right winger and we're losing Gionta, so he replaces the position and the points. We could still use a top 6 right winger who is a better scorer than PA. Good point. Parenteau is in more ways a replacement for Gionta on the top 2/3 lines rather than a replacement for Briere. So despite the flurry and the unsettled situation with Gorges, so far Berg is replacing assets more than he is adding anything of real value. But we shall see how this plays out. If Parenteau can continue his production, he's an upgrade to Gionta.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 30, 2014 14:21:29 GMT -5
Here's some background on Parenteau, courtesy of a writer with the Denver Post, Adrian Dater. blogs.denverpost.com/avs/2014/05/12/avalanche-season-ending-player-grades-p-parenteau-c/18255/| May 12, 2014, 3:45 pm Colorado Avalanche season player grades 2014: P.A. Parenteau: C
I’m not going to promise I’ll do a new one of these every day, but I’ll try to get to all the players during the summer. I took a few days off last week, so I know there hasn’t been much Avs news from this corner.
For those of you who think my job is 100 percent Avalanche all the time, you’re wrong. In the summer, I have to cover all kinds of stories. It might be a story about a high school athlete one day, a story on a Rockies player another, or an Avalanche signing or trade or … you get the point. So, I’m not sitting around on the phone all day long trying to pry the latest information about whether the Avs are going to retain Andre Benoit or not. I’ll try to find that stuff out, of course, but this is a warning to all those who figure to fill my Twitter feed for the next two months with “Are they going to re-sign Stastny, are they going to re-sign Stastny?” question.
So the first player to be graded is P.A. Parenteau. I feel bad giving him a “C.” The guy suffered two fairly serious knee injuries during the season — MCL strains to both knees. After the first one, he came back about two weeks early. That’s a credit to him, not a knock. But he probably wasn’t ready to play yet, and his play suffered. That seemed to be the start of a gradual disintegration of confidence in him from coach Patrick Roy. Season TEAM GP G A Pts +/- PIM PPG SH Shots Sh% 2013-14 COL 55 14 19 33 3 30 1 0 110 12.73 2012-13 COL 48 18 25 43 -11 38 6 0 105 17.14 2011-12 NYI 80 18 49 67 -8 89 6 0 167 10.78 2010-11 NYI 81 20 33 53 -8 46 9 0 161 12.42
Stats: P.A. Parenteau
Parenteau also dealt with trade rumors, including one specifically out of Montreal that had him going to the Canadiens straight up for Rene Bourque. That rumor was based in fact. It could have happened, but didn’t in the end.
I would put the odds at Parenteau being traded before the start of next season at about 98 percent. Why? If the Avs can find a buyer willing to a) take on his contract, which has two more years left at $4 million per and b) give up a decent defenseman in return, Parenteau is gone. That may be tough to do, but in some kind of package deal or where maybe the Avs pay some of his remaining contract, it would be easier.
The Avs believe Alex Tanguay will be back at 100 percent for next season (he would have played for the Avs in the playoffs if they had made it to the Western finals I believe, and without a doubt in the Stanley Cup Finals). That will make Parenteau more expendable again. When Tanguay was lost for the season, Colorado’s leverage on a Parenteau deal went way down and he stayed on.
Remember when Roy talked about the Avs’ need to be better “away from the puck” midway through the series with the Wild? Parenteau was probably one of the guys foremost in his mind. Parenteau was never to be confused with Frank J. Selke, OK? Great defense, dogged forechecking, physical play along the boards — that’s just not his bag. He’s an offensive player. But when the offense isn’t coming on the regular from a guy like him, that’s when trade rumors start and that’s when the coach starts getting ticked off.
It’s not like Parenteau was just awful this year though. He scored 14 goals and 33 points in 55 games for the Avs. Not that big a drop from the team-leading 18 he scored in 48 games the year before. He had one goal and three points in seven games. Not Gretky-esque, no, but he scored a huge, tying goal in the last couple minutes in Game 5 (yeah, I know Paul Stastny was off-side but…) and he made a great setup pass for a Stastny goal in Game 7 that, had Semyon Varlamov been able to hold the first of two one-goal third-period leads, Parenteau could have been one of the Avs’ final-game heroes.
But otherwise, there were problems. He had a Corsi For percentage of 43.9 in the series with the Wild. In FanctStat parlance, that’s not great. It was 49.8 percent in the regular season.
Parenteau is the obvious bargaining chip for the Avs to get another D-man, or — in the case of Bourque — maybe a bigger forward who plays a more physical game and can still score a little. The Avs have enough skill with the guys they still have. They need to be better defensively in all areas, and a little “harder” on the puck (meaning bigger, stronger). Parenteau doesn’t quite fit in those need areas.
It’s why I think it’s a virtual certainty he won’t be with the Avalanche anymore by the time the next season rolls around. He’s a very good guy and very accountable as a player. He doesn’t make excuses. I think the Avs should be careful if they’re thinking they need to get rid of him no matter what. That said, he’ll almost certainly be wearing a new uniform next year.
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2014 14:26:17 GMT -5
I don't mind this deal if he's signed to be a secondary producer. We're trading one year of Briere for one year of Parenteau, and get a 5th for the second year of Parenteau. Parenteau is 4 years younger. He's bigger, though not a physical presence. He's shown with ice time and a good center he can produce. If he gives us 40-50 points it's a good deal imo.
Re Eklund, while he's been much maligned over the years, he's actually broke a few moves the last couple of seasons. I think he's got his own sources, some may be the same as the 'name' guys on tsn etc. He's driven to get traffic though, so things that might not get uttered from the bigger names.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jun 30, 2014 15:03:41 GMT -5
I like the deal. Offensively, PA is an upgrade on Gionta and Briere, so the Habs improve their offence, get younger and slightly bigger. On top of that, they also get an extra draft pick and PA's salary is fair for a guy who can be a top six, play on the PP and chip in with around 50 points.
Overall, I think the Habs come out on top. Another solid trade for MB.
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2014 15:06:36 GMT -5
I like the deal. Offensively, PA is an upgrade on Gionta and Briere, so the Habs improve their offence, get younger and slightly bigger. On top of that, they also get an extra draft pick and PA's salary is fair for a guy who can be a top six, play on the PP and chip in with around 50 points. Overall, I think the Habs come out on top. Another solid trade for MB. Agreed. Same cap hit as Briere, at least the production of Gionta. To my mind that means $4 million for PAP instead of $4 million for Briere and whatever Gionta wanted. Berg kills two birds with one stone, gets bigger, and gets a pick.
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 30, 2014 15:41:31 GMT -5
This is a win deal. Brier is getting less productfull for us and we get back a bigger, better all around player. Replaces Gionta on the top 6.
Ma'boy is on a mission!
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 30, 2014 15:46:37 GMT -5
Still another scorer away....
Pacioretty/DD/_____ Galchenyuk/Eller/Gallagher Bourque/Plekanec/Parenteau Bournival/Prust/White/Weise/Moen
EDIT: Although he may just stand pat:
Pacioretty/DD/Gallagher Bourque/Eller/Galchenyuk Bournival/Pleks/Parenteau Prust/White/Weise/Moen
Still not enough offense, IMO. Depending on what comes out of the Gorges situation, I would still trade one of Plekanec or Eller plus one of Beaulieu or Tinordi for a legit top 6 scorer or top 4 dman.
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Post by 24in93 on Jun 30, 2014 15:47:09 GMT -5
It felt dirty cheering for Briere anyway. For that alone I like the deal.
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2014 15:55:21 GMT -5
Still another scorer away.... Pacioretty/DD/_____ Galchenyuk/Eller/Gallagher Bourque/Plekanec/Parenteau Bournival/Prust/White/Weise/Moen Agreed. Be nice if Gorges and Pleks could be turned into a legit sniper. Failing that, Iggy on a short deal would be decent.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jun 30, 2014 15:59:46 GMT -5
If you take his PPG from the past 4 seasons and pro-rate them across 82 games, Parenteau's averaging 61 points per season. Not too shabby.
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Post by drkcloud on Jun 30, 2014 17:22:32 GMT -5
I like it.we are flush with centers and needed a winger with scoring potential. I agree still need a top winger
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 30, 2014 17:46:41 GMT -5
Thanks M. Briere.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 30, 2014 18:55:41 GMT -5
Thanks M. Briere. You beat me to it, buddy ... glad you did ... good luck to Danny Briere and thanks for the playoff contributions ... welcome PA Parenteau ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 30, 2014 18:59:06 GMT -5
... for a player that I highly doubt will work with Therrien I read references to JVR earlier today and my first visual was him in the press box for not buying into Therrien's system ... #torontomindsetCheers.
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Post by HFTO on Jun 30, 2014 19:06:00 GMT -5
Depth move for RW and a guy with the right line mates can score 20-25 if he stays motivated sounds like Bourque but don't think he is in that category...hopefully Bourque is on the way out....no doubt he will be in MTs dog house but so was Briere and Habs bigger younger better 5 on 5....good move if Habs can have him play on the 3rd line and Habs find number one RW.
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2014 19:11:42 GMT -5
I think Danny made about as much as you could from a tough spot. Would we have like more? Sure, but 4th line center and other line wing wasn't a viable position to succeed for him. He never complained, or became a distraction. He deserves credit for that. He deserves credit for timely offense in the playoffs too, continuing his tradition of finding ways to produce. That goal against Boston was no fluke. He was trying that all the way imo.
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Post by habsorbed on Jun 30, 2014 20:57:01 GMT -5
Still another scorer away.... Pacioretty/DD/_____ Galchenyuk/Eller/Gallagher Bourque/Plekanec/Parenteau Bournival/Prust/White/Weise/Moen Agreed. Be nice if Gorges and Pleks could be turned into a legit sniper. Failing that, Iggy on a short deal would be decent. BostonHab, what did Pleks ever do to you? No centre deserves those wingers. When i heard of this trade my only thought was "Bourque-lite". Avs got rid of him due to his softness, inconsistency and play away from the puck. Sound like anyone we know? I agree with Blny that if we can move Pleks (with Gorges) and get a top winger or even clear cap space for an top FA the picture would be rosy; particularly if we can move AGal to the middle.
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2014 21:02:22 GMT -5
I'd say Parenteau is better than Bourque. He had a tough season adjusting to Roy and two knee injuries. Prior to that he had 43 points in 48 games and 67 in a full season. I think he can come in and produce. He's not a defensive whiz, but he'll produce.
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Post by habsorbed on Jun 30, 2014 21:11:45 GMT -5
I'd say Parenteau is better than Bourque. He had a tough season adjusting to Roy and two knee injuries. Prior to that he had 43 points in 48 games and 67 in a full season. I think he can come in and produce. He's not a defensive whiz, but he'll produce. You may be right. Although PA didn't become a regular until he was 27(?), Bourque has been able to hide behind his skating. As far as production, I'd put my money on PA. Just don't feel good about having two players like that.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 30, 2014 21:23:12 GMT -5
Heard on the radio that Ryan White will not be tendered a contract and will be now a UFA.
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