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Post by CentreHice on Jul 1, 2014 13:33:11 GMT -5
With Gio's departure….speculate away.
Give us a SHOULD and a WILL…..
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Post by Skilly on Jul 1, 2014 13:36:51 GMT -5
Should: Markov
Will: Markov
I just don't see Markov taking a back seat to Subban after all the tongue-lashings in the past.
Also Markov and Plekanec have both captained their international teams
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 13:47:23 GMT -5
Gorges says it should be Markov.
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Post by UberCranky on Jul 1, 2014 13:56:35 GMT -5
PK
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Post by jkr on Jul 1, 2014 13:56:37 GMT -5
Should: Markov Will: Markov I just don't see Markov taking a back seat to Subban after all the tongue-lashings in the past. Also Markov and Plekanec have both captained their international teams This. And after Markov - then Subban.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 1, 2014 14:02:15 GMT -5
I agree with gorges. time for Markov to step up. he may not have wanted it before but given his experience, status and contract, it's time for him to take the responsibility. Also, this past year he seems to be more engaged with the media and interviews. He'd be a good stabilizing choice.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 1, 2014 14:07:36 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 1, 2014 14:11:35 GMT -5
I would like to see Subban wearing the "C", just to put a HOW ABOUT THAT? on his critics and set the young guard on its way (I think BC posted that sentiment a while back)….but I have a feeling one of his critics is still behind the bench.
So I'm betting it will be Markov….and well-deserved. He just may find an extra gear with that kind of recognition, too. He HAS been a warrior for this team.
I enjoyed how he stepped INTO Lucic during these past playoffs….AND how he stepped UP to him in the handshake lineup, telling him to LOOK AT ME WHEN YOU SHAKE MY HAND. (Which Cherry, of course, used as the REASON Lucic threatened Weise and Emelin. Losers.)
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 14:14:45 GMT -5
I think it will be Subban soon, perhaps the C and a new contract are a bit much at one time.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 1, 2014 14:42:39 GMT -5
PK as captain would be a big FU to Lupul, Richards, Cherry, CBC, and all the PK haters out there.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 1, 2014 14:47:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure between Subban and Pacioretty... Hopefully they did not clear all those vets just to give the C to the next vet in line (Markov)... Especially given how he hates to deal with the media... Good "A"... though.
But hey, let's not kid ourselves... this is and will be PK's team...
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2014 14:53:39 GMT -5
I think they should let the players vote on it.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 1, 2014 15:02:18 GMT -5
PK is not ready. He will be, but not yet. Still not convinced his team-mates are all in on his 'style' yet. Max is streaky and can be MIA. Markov is good gap fill until PK has settled in.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2014 15:17:49 GMT -5
My gut feel is that Markov is ok for now, but PK has to be an alternate.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 1, 2014 16:12:13 GMT -5
I think they should let the players vote on it. I vote against Bourque! It's telling that the fans aren't in a rush to give the "C" to Subban. He is not a leader instilling confidence and respect from others. They recognize his skill and contributions but he has warts and missing pieces for a guy who wants to break the bank. Breaking the bank could break the backbone of the team if he is viewed as gimme gimme gimme. Subban is great, entertaining getting better but he isn't there yet.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 1, 2014 16:27:33 GMT -5
PK is not ready. He will be, but not yet. Still not convinced his team-mates are all in on his 'style' yet. imo Gio and Josh were part of that group. They are gone so that opens the door for PK.
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 16:30:24 GMT -5
I believe the players almost always vote. I think PK is a leader, but throwing the C on his shoulder while about to sign a huge contract is a lot of pressure and attention. Let him sign, get settled into that deal, and start with an A.
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Post by Douper on Jul 1, 2014 17:39:30 GMT -5
I think it will be PK. Markov did not want it in the past and I doubt he will now. PK will have his 8 year deal and a C on his chest.
Markov - Plekanec (if not dealt) with the A's
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 1, 2014 20:14:24 GMT -5
If not dealt I see Plekanec ending up as captain. Not my choice though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 20:34:34 GMT -5
As captain, Markov would have to be speaking with reporters constantly. You rarely ever hear from him after games. PK is much more composed in front of the camera, and he is also the team's best player not named Carey Price. As much as I like Markov, I think PK can rally the troops in the dressing room and on the ice.
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 1, 2014 22:24:09 GMT -5
As captain, Markov would have to be speaking with reporters constantly. You rarely ever hear from him after games. PK is much more composed in front of the camera, and he is also the team's best player not named Carey Price. As much as I like Markov, I think PK can rally the troops in the dressing room and on the ice. No question. The only fly in that ointment is MT. If the playoffs were any indication, he is willing to let PK play without the fear of reprisal. If the players vote Subban as captain...(presuming that's the process they'll use)...then Therrien should run with it.
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Post by Polarice on Jul 1, 2014 23:20:13 GMT -5
They offered it to PK last winter......its going to be part of his new deal.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 1, 2014 23:30:00 GMT -5
They offered it to PK last winter......its going to be part of his new deal. Hope that's wrong. It would not endear him to his team mates. Just like when Gillis gave Luongo the 'C'. How did that work out? Markov is the guy! It's a new era and I think he now recognizes his role on the team. Apparently he is the guy al the playersl will go through the wall for. He's over his shyness. He was doing many post game interviews this past season. Actually enjoy him as he's a straight shooter and has a bit of a mischievous attitude towards the media.
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Post by habsask on Jul 2, 2014 0:35:11 GMT -5
Gionta said flat out that the next captain should be Plekanec.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 2, 2014 1:15:11 GMT -5
Gionta said flat out that the next captain should be Plekanec. Does Gio know whether MB is shopping Pleks. If Pleks is not in the long-term plans (more than the next year), then he should not be captain. I appreciate what Pleks brings, but it is not enough for us to win the Cup. And he is too rich. If DD stays then Pleks must go!
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Post by HabSolute on Jul 2, 2014 7:39:09 GMT -5
We are obviously witnessing a changing of the guard in Habs land. The kids now have to take over. It's a good thing in my opinion.
I doubt Markov will really like to wear the C. But who knows. Gainey was not a guy that talked a lot either. Maybe Markov is the perfect transition guy until PK is the man.
Not sure Plekanec, from the older school, is the right guy.
in the end, we really have no clue what the leadership dynamic is in that locker room. Everyone was convinced that Gorges was THE PERFECT LEADER of that group. Now he is in Buffalo. That speaks volume. I hope the players get to pick. That's how it should be. THEY know who can lead them, who they will follow and respect.
The only risk with the democracy method, is if the vote turns out 55% vs. 45% , or 30%-33%-37% for example. Then you create a natural division right of the bat.
Interesting to say the least
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Post by CrocRob on Jul 2, 2014 8:49:55 GMT -5
I think Plekanec will be the next captain, but at the same time I think there's a real possibility he could get traded as a piece for Evander Kane. Markov is probably a better selection, but I have a couple concerns:
1) His ability is diminishing. I think Markov would be a "lead by example" captain moreso than a vocal one, and if his skill drops off a little more his icetime will get reduced more and more. It's not a problem this year, I don't think, but in Year 3 is he going to be able to lead by example anymore? Year 2?
2) Injury history. Maybe this isn't fair. I recognize that knee injuries aren't really predictable, but he has had two serious knee reconstructions and at least once or twice a year there's a scare with him. Captains who lead by example can't do much in rehab.
Are you really going to take the 'C' away from Markov before his contract is up?
In my "should" category, I think it's Plekanec, followed my Markov, followed by Subban. I don't want PK to be the captain until he levels off a little bit. I probably wouldn't even consider anyone else -- I don't like role players as captains.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 2, 2014 14:35:39 GMT -5
Gionta said flat out that the next captain should be Plekanec. ...Sure... Gorges said Markov should be and Gionta said Plekanec should be.. 2 guys promoting their good veteran buddies...
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 2, 2014 14:42:31 GMT -5
I might be the only one here who feels this way, but I never felt a Habs' Captain-vibe from Gionta. Always a very bland, generic, passionless media presence, no matter the circumstance. I'm sure he exhibited leadership in other ways.
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Post by Polarice on Jul 2, 2014 14:47:53 GMT -5
I might be the only one here who feels this way, but I never felt a Habs' Captain-vibe from Gionta. Always a very bland, generic, passionless media presence, no matter the circumstance. I'm sure he exhibited leadership in other ways. That's why PK should be the Captain!!
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