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Post by seventeen on Jul 5, 2014 16:54:42 GMT -5
I like new things that save me time and work. What else is new?
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Post by habsask on Jul 5, 2014 23:20:52 GMT -5
Just remember, when you use the hashtag(#) it's a conversation. So if you decided to do a search for #habs, you will see every Tweet that has the Hashtag #HABS. A tweet is just a thought. Everyone who follows you can see your tweet on their timeline, you see every tweet from the people you follow. It's the first time that I explored tweetdom and noticed the endless links. Also noticed the complete lack of mental filters by a few.... I'm not going to sink too much time in it. It's a medium for one liners rather then any cohesive, thought out discussion. Nor a medium where you build a personality and have some fun with it. Nor "play" with other posters. Doc, BC, Dis, 17(going on 18), habsask and several others go back 20 years and much fuller hairlines. Other then the exception, we never met each other but we have a comradeship that I don't think you can build in any other media, particularly tweeter. Nor build a bordered community. I'll tweet...but I wont sing...... You're so right HA. That's the way I feel too. I still don't have a Twitter account for the reasons you gave and never will. No Twitting for this twit....er....ahh....me.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 6, 2014 11:29:49 GMT -5
Just remember, when you use the hashtag(#) it's a conversation. So if you decided to do a search for #habs, you will see every Tweet that has the Hashtag #HABS. A tweet is just a thought. Everyone who follows you can see your tweet on their timeline, you see every tweet from the people you follow. It's the first time that I explored tweetdom and noticed the endless links. Also noticed the complete lack of mental filters by a few.... I'm not going to sink too much time in it. It's a medium for one liners rather then any cohesive, thought out discussion. Nor a medium where you build a personality and have some fun with it. Nor "play" with other posters. Doc, BC, Dis, 17(going on 18), habsask and several others go back 20 years and much fuller hairlines. Other then the exception, we never met each other but we have a comradeship that I don't think you can build in any other media, particularly tweeter. Nor build a bordered community. I'll tweet...but I wont sing...... The membership can take credit for the community we've built here ... mutual respect being the primary building block ... I've met a few members in person and I'm hoping to meet another one shortly ... that's something I don't think I'd entertain had I met these gentlemen on Twitter ... I'm in Twitterverse, but I find it too scattered and hard to follow ... I don't take it too seriously ... a lot of wannabes ... c'est toujours le cyberespace, non ... Cheers.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 1, 2014 17:37:04 GMT -5
Scratch Subban off as the next Captain.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 1, 2014 18:12:13 GMT -5
It's certainly another form of communication, one that we can choose to use or not. Even though we have Twitter, Facebook, Linked in, etc. I still email people or, horrors!...pick up the phone and call them. People don't change much, but their tools do. Now, kids waste their time texting and tweeting. When I was a kid we wasted our time calling friends on the phone, tying the line up for an hour and ticking off our parents. I still put a premium on simplicity, something that gets lost in the tech world. Ticked off the party line too!
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 1, 2014 18:14:02 GMT -5
Scratch Subban off as the next Captain. Make Subban the captain like we usually do before trading them.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 13, 2014 11:43:36 GMT -5
Good article from Eric Engels and a conclusion that makes sense. www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?blogger_id=82Markov Most Likely Choice for Captaincy
As the debate is sure to rage on between now and training camp, I can see the rationale for four current players on the Canadiens to be captain of the team.
Tomas Plekanec. He does everything the coaching staff asks of him and more. He'd be an appealing pick for them because he's the most likely player to sell their vision to the team. Add all of that to the fact that he's seasoned veteran, drafted and developed by the Habs, and tutored by their former captains, and Plekanec's the safest choice the team has.
The rub: Plekanec isn't their most clutch player. He's their most versatile forward, but he's never really emerged to the forefront when all the chips have been down. Perhaps owning that level of responsibility would push him to be more of a clutch leader.
Andrei Markov. The entire team respects his work ethic, and they all rave about his dedication to the gym. Management made a significant commitment to him this summer, and as the longest serving vet, his clout in the room can't be understated.
Markov's served as an excellent mentor to P.K. Subban, and will likely serve as one for Nathan Beaulieu too. But aside from what he's done off the ice, what he showed last season--particularly in the playoffs--is that he's a huge leader on the ice. He took every hit to make big plays out of the Canadiens end, he blocked more shots than he's ever blocked, and he came up with some huge plays to generate offense when the team needed it most.
The rub: Markov wasn't interested in being captain back in 2010. A lot's been made of his shyness and his communication with the media, but in truth, Markov's become so much more comfortable in those situations (not to say he's become forthcoming in them). Would he be interested this time around, considering that at his contract term, he offers the perfect transition to one of the young vets taking over?
Brendan Gallagher. You could tie this guy to a post with a steel chain, and he'd try to bite his way through until he eventually broke free. He would never give up. Tenacious is underselling what Gallagher is. He's relentless. He scores clutch goals. He sets the example every single shift he steps on the ice for. He's a consistent presence in front of the net. He can dish it out just as well as he receives it, and he receives a lot of it. He doesn't have to stand up in the room to rally the troops, he doesn't have to get in anyone's face, he just has to do what he does without anyone asking him to do it. And he's getting better.
Gallagher is a hockey coach's dream. He's also a darling with the media. He says the right things, he takes responsibility, and he's more than willing to share the credit and the spotlight with anyone of his teammates. All that said, it will always come back to the fact that Gallagher's main appeal is that he'd never ask anyone else to do something he wasn't willing to do himself, and he proves that all day, everyday.
The rub: He's only been in the league for two years. Would the Canadiens appoint such a young captain with veterans like Plekanec and Markov waiting in the wings? Unlikely, though you'd be hard-pressed to find any other player in their room who fits the mold better than Gallagher does. If he were a five-year vet, he'd be the consensus pick among management, the coaching staff and the players.
P.K. Subban. He's the team's best player. He's their most clutch player. He's their highest paid player. They've made a longer commitment to him than any other player in their ranks. He's their best ambassador by a country mile. He's unflappable. He laughs down scrutiny. He's an exceptional teammate.
Subban's rise hasn't been a direct skyrocket. He's had to win over teammates with his work ethic and his willingness to mature and be more of a team player. But make no mistake, he has won over his teammates. He took incredible strides on the ice on his way to a Norris Trophy win in 2013, and in 2014 he emerged as the confident leader we all knew he'd be when he was drafted.
The rub: He's a controversial figure--and not by design. Everything about P.K.'s game is loud, and hockey doesn't love loud. As a result, he's become much more understated with the media, and given the amount of money he just banked, and given his status as one of the team's two biggest superstars, he knows it'll be a balancing act to keep the attention from being solely on him. His teammates likely appreciate the fact that he's been more subdued and reclusive when the cameras and reporters hit the room after games. The captaincy may very well make it impossible for him to deflect attention. Perhaps the team would prefer to wait on naming him, while they bide their time with Plekanec or Markov.
I think the Canadiens will proceed as follows:
Markov will be named the team's next captain. Plekanec, Subban and Pacioretty will rotate A's. And when Markov's contract expires, Subban will be named captain, and Gallagher will ride shotgun with Pacioretty.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 13, 2014 12:19:41 GMT -5
A good find, 17 ... Markov is a quiet guy but he's done his time in the trenches, so to speak ...
Cheers.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 13, 2014 13:37:46 GMT -5
Fake Jack Todd rumor:
The players voted for Gallagher but Molson overruled them and picked Subban.
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Post by jkr on Aug 13, 2014 14:21:45 GMT -5
Fake Jack Todd rumor: The players voted for Gallagher but Molson overruled them and picked Subban. Good one.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Aug 13, 2014 15:06:19 GMT -5
…I think it’s calling for a PR disaster to name Markov captain. I don’t know where Engels picked up that Markov is now better with the media… He hates the media… …his interview repertoire is just about “…yes, no, no comment, next question…”… Maybe Engels feels that this is step up from simply not saying anything… I dunno…
Obviously being able to talk to the media and by extension to the fans is not the only quality a captain should have but at the same time you can’t have a guy there who continually conveys an impression of disdain, impatience or “I don’t give a f***”…
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Post by Polarice on Aug 13, 2014 15:35:24 GMT -5
…I think it’s calling for a PR disaster to name Markov captain. I don’t know where Engels picked up that Markov is now better with the media… He hates the media… …his interview repertoire is just about “…yes, no, no comment, next question…”… Maybe Engels feels that this is step up from simply not saying anything… I dunno… Obviously being able to talk to the media and by extension to the fans is not the only quality a captain should have but at the same time you can’t have a guy there who continually conveys an impression of disdain, impatience or “I don’t give a f***”… Agreed, Markov would make a terrible captain. It has to PK, he's going to be a Hab for life, he's our best player, and he loves the media....to me its a no brainer.
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Post by stoat on Aug 13, 2014 23:14:08 GMT -5
Scratch Subban off as the next Captain. You might have uttered words of wisdom. Subban is obviously popular withe fans, but how would the players react to him?
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Post by franko on Aug 14, 2014 6:00:50 GMT -5
Scratch Subban off as the next Captain. You might have uttered words of wisdom. Subban is obviously popular withe fans, but how would the players react to him? well, gorges won't be around to raise his eyebrows at him.
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Post by FREEHAB on Aug 14, 2014 8:54:15 GMT -5
I don't think Markov will willingly take the captaincy. I'm told he can be a miserable teammate and would prefer not to speak to the room or the media. Plekanec would be a great choice, but I don't think he wants it either. He's also not vocal and is not someone who wants to bear the responsibility of wearing the "C" in Montreal. PK would seem like an obvious choice to the fans, and would be ideal for the media, but the players and management likely don't know if he's "mature" enough to handle the magnitude of the role. The one player that seems to be mentioned with the fewest detractors is Gally. The obvious knock on him is his age and experience. A storied franchise doesn't appoint their captaincy to a two year player. It's a role that's earned. Personally I'd love to Pacioretty get the "C" - but I understand that he has a reputation for being pretty firey and can be a little combative in the room. I do know many people & players within the organization had thought that Gorges would wear the "C" - and are likely still struggling to come to terms with his departure - so it won't be an easy choice no matter who ultimately gets the nod.
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 14, 2014 9:36:45 GMT -5
I don't think we will have a captain this year. My guess would be three Alternates, in Plekanec, Markov and Subban. I concur pretty much with everything FREEHAB said as to why none of those three are perfect candidates for the captaincy (and Gallagher too). Not saying that I would argue against any of them getting it, but I could see how it would be viewed as a negative in some respects.
I think this will be Subban's year to audition for it though. He's emerging as a leader, and with Gionta and Gorges gone this will be his year to seize the reigns. If he does, it's a no-brainer that he's the captain for the next decade. But if those who are closest to the situation (i.e. management) think there is a little too much bluster and not enough actual leadership then I could see them going elsewhere. PK says all the right things, and looks the part for sure, but only those who are in the dressing room really know how it's playing out amongst the only guys who really matter; If the players themselves, while acknowledging Subban's talent, secretly roll their eyes every time he speaks... well, that would probably only be something those close to the situation could see for real. With guys like Bergevin, Lapointe, Churla, Mellanby, Ramage and so on around the team there are enough "leadership types" to know who is all bluster, and who guys will really follow into the gates of hell.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 14, 2014 13:25:47 GMT -5
It's a slow news week after the Subban signing. Let's create some controversies where none exists. Owner overruling GM? Pick for Captain? Compared to beheadings in Iraq, Economy, XL pipeline, shooting in St. Louis, chaos in Israel/Gaza (pick your side), Putin in the Ukraine, even Robin Williams stealing jokes. We are relatively problem free. Injuries, which rookie can crack the lineup? Ready to drop the puck.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 14, 2014 15:57:55 GMT -5
I think it will be PK. The guys who rolled their eyes are gone (Gio and Gorges). From what I've seen on 24CH PK is well liked by the many in the room (Patches, Gally, Carey, Prust, Weise). He is confident enough to handle the media pressure. He represents the team and management very well. I've even seen him in interviews try to speak french (when was the last time we had a captain who even tried). And lastly, how can your highest paid player not be the captain.
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Post by habsorbed on Aug 15, 2014 1:48:37 GMT -5
I think PK will be captain at some point but it would all be a little too fast right now. Having said that, i think he's up to the task. He says the right things and he doesn't take himself too seriously off the ice. But he's all business on the ice. He's got charisma and is comfortable in the spotlight on and off the ice! The big question, which seems to be the theme of this thread, is whether his teammates support him. Which is why I think it's Markov's captaincy if he wants it. From watching games the last few seasons, the one player who all team-mates will back and defend is Markov. You mess with Markov you mess with every Hab. That tells me who the players respect and will follow. I also think that Markov has come a long way in dealing with the media. He often mocks their stupid questions and is a straight shooter. Much prefer his interviews to Gio or Gorges. In any event, I don't know where it is written the captain has to do media interviews. Of all the attributes one wants in a captain, media interviews is the least important for me. Let PK do the interviews and Markov lead!
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Post by Skilly on Aug 15, 2014 9:25:24 GMT -5
I think it will be PK. The guys who rolled their eyes are gone (Gio and Gorges). From what I've seen on 24CH PK is well liked by the many in the room (Patches, Gally, Carey, Prust, Weise). He is confident enough to handle the media pressure. He represents the team and management very well. I've even seen him in interviews try to speak french (when was the last time we had a captain who even tried). And lastly, how can your highest paid player not be the captain. I disgaree that the highest paid player has to be your captain ... the NHL is littered with examples of captains who are not the highest paid players on their team. The Kings just won the Cup with a third liner as their captain (Dustin Brown). But your post does raise the question, what is the most valuable trait for a captain of the Montreal Canadiens? Obviously, at the top of the list should be leadership qualities and your teammates actually listening to you. But after that, in Montreal, the waters get murky. In Montreal, the #2 quality is the captain's ability to communicate with the media and the fanbase in both languages. Yes, management (and players with their voting in the past ... not so sure they vote anymore) has looked past this criteria, and rightfully so, because their was never a suitable french speaking candidate. Latendresse and Ribeiro had the party going stigma, which showed that they werent the guys to represent the team and management very well. I'm not really sure if there were any candidates during the Gionta-era ... no one with who had spent a great deal of time with the team anyway. Today? Well you want your captain to lead by example, and to give it his all in every shift. You want him to be a leader in the community and to be exactly the player that embodies what being a Canadien is all about. Well, there are many now who fall into those categories ... Subban, Markov, Plekanec (some would argue he takes shifts off, I wont disagree), Gallagher. But if criteria #2 is an issue ... I see no reason why David Desharnais should not be the captain of the team.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Aug 15, 2014 11:46:30 GMT -5
We haven't had a french speaking captain in 14 years so I wouldn't think it's all that important anymore.
As for Subban being too young, the guy is 25... Same age as Saku Koivu when he took on the C... When you look at the majority of other captains around the League (Crosby, Toews, Getzlaf, Brown, Staal, Landeskog, Giroux, Tavares, Koivu, Stamkos, Sedin, etc…) they’ve been named young as well, it’s a young men’s league…
He's our franchise player. He’s part of the new and improved core that will take this team off its mediocrity path. He's already a recognized Star in the NHL with hardware to back it up. He's shown long term commitment to the team. He was the on ice leader and the difference maker in the round against Boston. He's a dedicated and serious athlete who trains and plays hard, competes 100% in any situations and never takes a shift off. He's well spoken, classy, witty, never fuels controversy with his comments.
I mean… he’s the complete package and more…
I read and respect all your opinions guys. But you really have to bend out of the shape IMO not to hang the C on this guy.
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Post by HABSINFL on Aug 15, 2014 15:39:02 GMT -5
MY only concern is the relationship between PK and MeatHead Therien. Oil and water don't mix too well. Or one good thing that could come out of this, is that MT gets fired eventiually..
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Post by HFTO on Aug 15, 2014 16:12:24 GMT -5
PK.....is it the right time maybe not but IMO that label will have him mature that little bit more...aside from Price he is the next best player regardless of his flaws...IMO its all blown out of proportion...he's respectful(maybe not to opponents) but he has the Patrick Roy bold in your face swagger this team has lacked for decades and it's time the Habs re-embrace it and run with it the team will follow pitfalls(real or not) and all.
HFTO
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Post by HFTO on Aug 15, 2014 16:17:00 GMT -5
PK.....is it the right time maybe not but IMO that label will have him mature that little bit more...aside from Price he is the next best player regardless of his flaws...IMO its all blown out of proportion...he's respectful(maybe not to opponents) but he has the Patrick Roy bold in your face swagger this team has lacked for decades and it's time the Habs re-embrace it and run with it the team will follow pitfalls(real or not) and all.
HFTO
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 15, 2014 16:39:29 GMT -5
I think it will be PK. The guys who rolled their eyes are gone (Gio and Gorges). From what I've seen on 24CH PK is well liked by the many in the room (Patches, Gally, Carey, Prust, Weise). He is confident enough to handle the media pressure. He represents the team and management very well. I've even seen him in interviews try to speak french (when was the last time we had a captain who even tried). And lastly, how can your highest paid player not be the captain. I disgaree that the highest paid player has to be your captain ... the NHL is littered with examples of captains who are not the highest paid players on their team. The Kings just won the Cup with a third liner as their captain (Dustin Brown). But your post does raise the question, what is the most valuable trait for a captain of the Montreal Canadiens? Obviously, at the top of the list should be leadership qualities and your teammates actually listening to you. But after that, in Montreal, the waters get murky. In Montreal, the #2 quality is the captain's ability to communicate with the media and the fanbase in both languages. Yes, management (and players with their voting in the past ... not so sure they vote anymore) has looked past this criteria, and rightfully so, because their was never a suitable french speaking candidate. Latendresse and Ribeiro had the party going stigma, which showed that they werent the guys to represent the team and management very well. I'm not really sure if there were any candidates during the Gionta-era ... no one with who had spent a great deal of time with the team anyway. Today? Well you want your captain to lead by example, and to give it his all in every shift. You want him to be a leader in the community and to be exactly the player that embodies what being a Canadien is all about. Well, there are many now who fall into those categories ... Subban, Markov, Plekanec (some would argue he takes shifts off, I wont disagree), Gallagher. But if criteria #2 is an issue ... I see no reason why David Desharnais should not be the captain of the team. Did Don Paquette speak French? PK is never at a loss for words and as captain he can exchange opinions with the referees without a direct pass to the penalty box.
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Post by stoat on Aug 16, 2014 14:21:33 GMT -5
What are the qualities that Subban would bring to the captaincy? Why would he be better than the rest?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 16, 2014 14:41:44 GMT -5
What are the qualities that Subban would bring to the captaincy? Why would he be better than the rest? Subban's captain qualities. Extremely intelligent. Excellent public speaker. Self confident. Hard working. Talented. Combative against other teams. Young. Long term contract to stay with the team. Deals effectively with the press. Effective leader. High level performer. High risk and high reward, strong positives and strong negatives. Communicates with referees.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 17, 2014 8:05:53 GMT -5
What are the qualities that Subban would bring to the captaincy? Why would he be better than the rest? He has learned how to play the media relations game but has retained the swagger (the boston series showed this). He is, right now, the face of the franchise.
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Post by franko on Aug 17, 2014 11:41:09 GMT -5
What are the qualities that Subban would bring to the captaincy? Why would he be better than the rest? He is, right now, the face of the franchise. that he is. I'd go so far as to say the face of the NHL for Canadian teams.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 17, 2014 16:31:07 GMT -5
He is, right now, the face of the franchise. that he is. I'd go so far as to say the face of the NHL for Canadian teams. I would say if he continues on his current path and is made Captain he will be the face of the NHL. He was the guy onthe red carpet at the NHL awards. The guy is a marketing dream for the NHL.
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