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Post by jkr on Jul 24, 2014 14:15:58 GMT -5
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jul 24, 2014 14:32:16 GMT -5
$3.5 million cap hit. The same deal as Desharnais.
Eller certainly has yet to prove he can be a consistent producer on offense, but he does have the skills to do so and is a better all-around centre than DD. With the cap going up, $3.5 million for a solid 3rd line centre with potential to be a #2, seems like a fair number.
But Lars is a guy I expect a lot from next year. He was a massive disappointment last year before (partially) redeeming himself in the playoffs. I certainly hope this contract signals the end of using him on the wing. If you are going to commit the dollars and term then it's up to MT to put him in the best position to be successful.
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Post by jkr on Jul 24, 2014 14:38:21 GMT -5
$3.5 million cap hit. The same deal as Desharnais. Eller certainly has yet to prove he can be a consistent producer on offense, but he does have the skills to do so and is a better all-around centre than DD. With the cap going up, $3.5 million for a solid 3rd line centre with potential to be a #2, seems like a fair number. But Lars is a guy I expect a lot from next year. He was a massive disappointment last year before (partially) redeeming himself in the playoffs. I certainly hope this contract signals the end of using him on the wing. If you are going to commit the dollars and term then it's up to MT to put him in the best position to be successful. I thought their initial arbitration offer to Eller was something like 1.6 million. More than twice the amount over 4 years??
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Post by UberCranky on Jul 24, 2014 14:45:11 GMT -5
A bit on the high side, but then again, we are keeping him through his prime years.
If Eller does not improve, this is the last contract he gets for this kind of money.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jul 24, 2014 14:47:33 GMT -5
It's a jump because the deal is buying out 2 of Eller's UFA years. The contract takes him to age 29, so he's being overpaid in the first year but, hopefully, underpaid in the last few years. The Habs could have saved money by signing him to a 1-year deal at their number of $1.6 million or Eller's number of $3.1 million, but they made the calculation that locking him up now made the most sense.... and it does if Eller shows he can produce. This has the potential to be a very good contract for Montreal, but also one that is cheap enough that it can be used in a trade. A solid, big, 2-way centre like Eller is always in demand, even if he never lives up to his offensive potential.
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Post by jkr on Jul 24, 2014 14:50:45 GMT -5
It's a jump because the deal is buying out 2 of Eller's UFA years. The contract takes him to age 29, so he's being overpaid in the first year but, hopefully, underpaid in the last few years. The Habs could have saved money by signing him to a 1-year deal at their number of $1.6 million or Eller's number of $3.1 million, but they made the calculation that locking him up now made the most sense.... and it does if Eller shows he can produce. This has the potential to be a very good contract for Montreal, but also one that is cheap enough that it can be used in a trade. THanks. Sometimes I look solely at the numbers & these things don't make sense. I wonder if this is why it is taking so long to get Subban signed. Large, long term deals with a myriad of ways to pay a player are complicated documents.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 24, 2014 15:03:59 GMT -5
So we now have 9.3 million of cap space left .... Message sent to Subban's camp?
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 24, 2014 15:10:40 GMT -5
I can't believe we are spending up to the cap with this team. Something is not right when LA can field a stacked team or Pittsburgh and Chicago can have two-three superstars and we have basically a 1 line team.
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Post by frozone on Jul 24, 2014 15:13:56 GMT -5
It's a jump because the deal is buying out 2 of Eller's UFA years. The contract takes him to age 29, so he's being overpaid in the first year but, hopefully, underpaid in the last few years. The Habs could have saved money by signing him to a 1-year deal at their number of $1.6 million or Eller's number of $3.1 million, but they made the calculation that locking him up now made the most sense.... and it does if Eller shows he can produce. This has the potential to be a very good contract for Montreal, but also one that is cheap enough that it can be used in a trade. THanks. Sometimes I look solely at the numbers & these things don't make sense. I wonder if this is why it is taking so long to get Subban signed. Large, long term deals with a myriad of ways to pay a player are complicated documents. Yup, you got that right jkr. I love this Eller contract. A few years ago, it may have been gross, but in this market it's a great deal. What's great about it is that it's very well structured. The Habs are underpaying him (imo) in the first 2 years but they're still showing Eller that they believe in him by buying 2 of his UFA years. When there are positives in it for both sides, it bodes well for having a good working relationship. Job well done, I say.
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Post by frozone on Jul 24, 2014 15:17:17 GMT -5
So we now have 9.3 million of cap space left .... Message sent to Subban's camp? I'm more inclined to think that MB and PK's camp have advanced their talks enough for MB to know what his spending limits are. At least that's what I'm hoping...
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Post by UberCranky on Jul 24, 2014 15:19:51 GMT -5
So we now have 9.3 million of cap space left .... Message sent to Subban's camp? Yup. basically, you want to cripple the roster for your greed. If he is asking for more, who do we get rid off to meet his demands? Ignoring the problem that we need MORE good player to begin with to be contenders.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Jul 24, 2014 15:21:20 GMT -5
It shows that MB feels Eller is part of the core going forward and offers some stability to the lineup.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 24, 2014 15:33:41 GMT -5
Imo this is a sign and trade or pleky is on the move. Galchy needs to move to centre and MB is not going to have eller as 4th line centre for this cap hit.
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Post by blny on Jul 24, 2014 15:49:57 GMT -5
Imo this is a sign and trade or pleky is on the move. Galchy needs to move to centre and MB is not going to have eller as 4th line centre for this cap hit. That's more or less my opinion. There's no way they can justify paying Eller that if they're going to play yo yo with him. It's more cash than I think his production warrants, but I do believe that if he's left alone to play center he will earn most of that pay cheque. I have a sinking feeling that Galchenyuk will be left to rot on the wing for another year, but I'm really hoping this signing spells a trade.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 24, 2014 17:04:41 GMT -5
It's more than I thought it would be, but I wasn't thinking that long term, either. A couple of possibilities for the amount and term come to mind. 1) Bergevin thinks Eller's playoff performance was the real deal and he'll be worth the money. 2) He doesn't want to go through what is happing with PK now, so he's heading it off at the pass. That would suggest he's had second thoughts about bridging. Maybe. Who knows? If Eller puts up 60 points next year, he's worth it. He does have that difficult combination of size and speed. If he can get some chemistry with someone (Bourque, really? give me a break), then the opportunity will be there. He needs to play with smarter guys. I think that's one reason the kid line worked well.
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 24, 2014 17:11:04 GMT -5
I'm thinking with the signing of Eller and the need to get him and Galchenyuk playing centre….that Pleks may very well be on the block.
Wasn't it reported after the playoffs that the brass said a player had "worn out his welcome in Montreal"?
I doubt that player was either Gionta or Gorges. But maybe it was.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 24, 2014 17:44:12 GMT -5
I was thinking about Plekanec yesterday ... as it is now, Bergevin may not have a lot of cap space remaining depending on either what Bergevin ends up paying out or what PK is awarded ... He seems to the kind of GM who knows how to give himself some breathing room, cap wise ... now that Eller is signed we might be able to guess at least the ballpark figure Berg is offering ... regardless what the figure is, I'm not so sure Berg will be comfortable the little cap space he'll have remaining ... I find it hard to believe that there'd be a taker for Bourque (at least in a one-for-one deal), so I looked at Plekanec and his contract ...
Cheers.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 24, 2014 17:49:04 GMT -5
$3.5 million cap hit. The same deal as Desharnais. Eller certainly has yet to prove he can be a consistent producer on offense, but he does have the skills to do so and is a better all-around centre than DD. With the cap going up, $3.5 million for a solid 3rd line centre with potential to be a #2, seems like a fair number. But Lars is a guy I expect a lot from next year. He was a massive disappointment last year before (partially) redeeming himself in the playoffs. I certainly hope this contract signals the end of using him on the wing. If you are going to commit the dollars and term then it's up to MT to put him in the best position to be successful. Quote from John Wooden, the greatest coach that ever lived, "ability is a poor mans wealth." Size *** Speed *** Production * Potential **** The measurements are made, the tools are in the toolbox but the wood has not been cut.
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Post by drkcloud on Jul 24, 2014 18:27:20 GMT -5
Maybe MB has a handshake deal with Subban and was therefore able to pull the trigger on Eller.
Maybe a press conference tomorrow?
Or just wishful thinking
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Post by christrpn on Jul 24, 2014 19:50:38 GMT -5
Watching some highlights on Eller, forgot how big he plays. He can hit, strong on the puck, has hands and can shoot. He's basically a bigger Plekanec with more of a offensive side than defensive.
We have Malhotra, Eller can kill penalties, I donèt see room for Pleks, especially with the salary situation.
I also don't see Kane or Sharp in a habs uni either. Pleks for picks and maybe prospects
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Post by jkr on Jul 24, 2014 20:23:32 GMT -5
Friedman tweeted 2.5/2.5./4.25/4.75
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Post by HFTO on Jul 24, 2014 21:47:53 GMT -5
ouch...3 million tops polayer IMO the last 2 years he's making Max money better hope he turns into 45-50pt player min
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 25, 2014 1:13:07 GMT -5
So we now have 9.3 million of cap space left .... Message sent to Subban's camp? Or to Pleks? Pleks is our highest paid forward and, counting AGal we have 4 centres who should not play on the 4th line given their talent or pay scale. Playing DD, Eller, or AGal on the wing in dumb.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 25, 2014 1:25:11 GMT -5
When i saw the Habs were offering Eller $1.5 going into arbitration I was thinking that was an insult. Now they're paying avg $3.5. And MB is talking how wonderful Eller is in the press release. This arbitration process is very bad for moral. Team has to denigrate its players and then afterwards sing their praises. As I said in another post the process should require the arbitrator to pick one side's offer over the other - no splitting down the middle. If the report of $1.5 was accurate, it's simply silly that MB would now settle on $3.5, even if he's getting 2 years of FA status.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 25, 2014 1:28:50 GMT -5
If MB is to trade Pleks it will certainly be a turnover of the veteran leadership core of this team in a very short period. Hope MB has a good sense that there are players at the ready. While Pleks was a stable player and even captain of his national team, can't say he was a guy I was looking to to lead us in big games.
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Post by blny on Jul 25, 2014 6:20:56 GMT -5
The $1.5 million was his qualifying offer. It's not so much what they thought he was worth as it's the number the club uses to qualify an RFA so they don't lose them to an offer sheet. I do agree that this contract has him 'over paid' for the time being. At least DD had a 60 point season under his belt.
I also agree regarding Pleks. I've never considered him a 'leader'. None of us know what his presence is like in the room, but I don't think he's looked to for guidance and leadership.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 25, 2014 7:34:49 GMT -5
Friedman tweeted 2.5/2.5./4.25/4.75 It looks as if Bergevin left himself an out ... in three years time, Eller could be in the same situation Gorges was in this year if Berg decides he has to save some cap space ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 25, 2014 7:48:35 GMT -5
While Pleks was a stable player and even captain of his national team, can't say he was a guy I was looking to to lead us in big games. Can't disagree here ... I would have liked to see him step up more in crucial games, but at the same time I think he was in the same situation as Koivu ... just my opinion, but Koivu would have done better had he been playing second-fiddle to a big, no.1 centre ... I found he was looked upon to carry the team on his shoulders, which I found unfair ... there was only so much he could do ... his best friend, Craig Rivet, was an acknowledged leader of the team, but I didn't Rivet to be all that effective a leader ... last guy off the ice and all that, yes, but at the same time he wasn't consistent in his leadership ... kept hearing "we-went-nowhere-under-Koivu" but a guy who should have shared some of that responsibility was Rivet ... or, so I thought anyway ... I didn't find Plekanec had that kind of responsibility to carry, but at the same time I did expect more from him ... he's not built for mixing it up in the corners and if he tried he'd probably be injured a lot (then folks would want to pump him out of Montreal for being brittle) ... still, it would have been nice to provide him with a bonafide no.1 centre to play behind ... that might have solved a bit ... waddayagonnado ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 25, 2014 8:02:56 GMT -5
I've never considered him a 'leader'. Leadership manifests itself in different forms ... Google "conscious and unconscious leadership" when you get the chance ... as I was saying earlier, I think Plekanec does show leadership (Marc Bergevin mentioned his leadership in his end-season presser) but not in an in-your-face kind of way ... from what I understand, very few players work as hard, or harder than Pleks during practices and games ... I guess the point I'm trying to make is, you don't have to deliberately look to a specific player to draw inspiration from ... sometimes you see a guy giving it his all and you feed off that ... Plekanec isn't a Steve Begin/Benoit Brunet kind of guy, but he does provide leadership ... and, as Habsorbed already said, he was captain of the Czech Olympic team ... that has to account for something ... Cheers.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jul 25, 2014 8:14:44 GMT -5
Berg certainly has options with respect to Plekanec. He's still a very good player and with only 2 years left on his deal ar $5 million a year, I think he would be an attractive pickup for a team looking for more depth down the middle.... which is a lot of teams.
Pleks still gets a bad rap, though. I think he gets criticized for not being "tough" or as good as Patrice Bergeron, but not many guys are. His career PPG in the regular season is 0.65 and in the playoffs it's 0.61, which is pretty solid. He's also durable and has scored at least 20 goals in 7 of his 9 seasons in Montreal, all while taking the toughest defensive assignments of anyone else on the team.
I would just as soon keep him, but for the sake of moving foward, getting the most out of Eller, and opening up a spot down the middle for Galchenyuk, I think Pleks would be a good asset to move and we could get something good for him.
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