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Post by UberCranky on Aug 1, 2014 15:27:19 GMT -5
I'm not buying that it's BM fault for PK not signing.
Here is a simple poll, how much do you think he is worth over 8 years?
Remember, we need to field a competitive team and PK can't win a cup by himself.
So what do YOU think he is worth?
(This poll would be interesting because if it turns out that PK wanted in FACT 8 million per, then I will become an instant MB hater. On the other hand, what if it's higher or WAY higher?)
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Post by Skilly on Aug 1, 2014 15:41:21 GMT -5
My option isn't there .... 7.5 million. I don't see any reason to compensate him as THE highest, ergo the best, paid defenseman in the league.
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Post by jkr on Aug 1, 2014 15:43:48 GMT -5
somewhere between 8-9 so I checked 8.
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Post by Douper on Aug 1, 2014 15:48:37 GMT -5
8 million for 8. 1 Norris, could have been nominated for 2. He's the straw that stirs our drink.
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 1, 2014 16:16:23 GMT -5
It's really hard to say. Honestly, I'm not sure eight years is really on the table. If I'm Subban, as I've mentioned before, I see no reason to go beyond five years. He'd be hitting UFA at 29-30 years old, in his prime, with a cap sitting at $90+ million, possibly with a new expansion team in Toronto... Yeah, he'd be getting $12-15 million a year then. So why wouldn't you wait for that? Muddle through with your $8 million a year in the meantime?
I listened to that clip of Meahan on the Team 590 yesterday, and he was talking about the cap increasing, and how it has increased by 6-7% every year. If that is their belief (and I see no reason why it wouldn't be true) then the cap would in fact be over $90 million in five years. And if it continues at that pace, well over $100 million by the time Subban is finished his career. So if you're looking at the long game then anything less than double-digits would have Subban leaving money on the table, if you ask me. I don't know if he is "worth" it, but in the grand scheme of things I think $10 million over eight years would end up being a decent (not great deal) for both sides.
The problem with that, of course, is it kills us in the next couple of years, and possibly as far out as three or four years from now. Starts to look decent in year five, but we're not on a five year plan. We're actually in a pretty good spot right now, with the Eastern powers declining, or at least not as dominant over us as they were before, and with the right moves and cap management we could be a Cup Finalist either next year or the year after. Three years from now? Well, who knows what teams like the Islanders will look like. We have a window right now, and that extra $2 million in cap space could be a difference maker. Obviously we don't want to lose Subban, but if we make two Cup runs because we had the extra space that we saved on Subban, will it be worth it?
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Post by christrpn on Aug 1, 2014 16:23:10 GMT -5
Subban is worth $10M over 8yrs,but we can't afford that right now,hence all the hold up. This will get done, just not without hurt feelings
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Post by franko on Aug 1, 2014 16:25:41 GMT -5
"worth". such a loaded word. he's "worth" whatever he can get from someone willing to pay where he wants to play.
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Post by christrpn on Aug 1, 2014 16:50:52 GMT -5
F#ck it, I chose the max because, Why not
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 1, 2014 17:02:44 GMT -5
"worth". such a loaded word. he's "worth" whatever he can get from someone willing to pay where he wants to play. My feelings EXACTLY! He is top 10 defenseman in the league, better offensively than some, better shot, pp and rushing. He is young, 25, but not youngest. He is worth more on an 8 year locked down contract than year to year. He is worth more in two years as a FA than today as an RFA. He hits well and misses from time to time. He is brash, self confident, abrasive, talented, enthusiastic and prone to errors when he takes reckless chances. I can't pick a single number but consider 6 years at $8 a year to be fair.
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 1, 2014 17:10:29 GMT -5
The problem with that, of course, is it kills us in the next couple of years, and possibly as far out as three or four years from now. Starts to look decent in year five, but we're not on a five year plan. We're actually in a pretty good spot right now, with the Eastern powers declining, or at least not as dominant over us as they were before, and with the right moves and cap management we could be a Cup Finalist either next year or the year after. Three years from now? Well, who knows what teams like the Islanders will look like. We have a window right now, and that extra $2 million in cap space could be a difference maker. Obviously we don't want to lose Subban, but if we make two Cup runs because we had the extra space that we saved on Subban, will it be worth it? A whole lot of reality in your posts that ebola's any bs that "I'm a Hab for life". Now on to the fundamantal issue.....it kill our chances for a cup.....to make Subban happy. Not in my world. The alternative is to trade him as soon as today to build a cup contender. Period. In no uncertain terms, the Habs existence is to win cups for the fans and NOT a conduit to make Suban rich and happy. My Subban rose coloured glasses were stomped on this morning......and I'm not buying another pair until he signs long term or traded.
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Post by CentreHice on Aug 1, 2014 17:30:00 GMT -5
"worth". such a loaded word. he's "worth" whatever he can get from someone willing to pay where he wants to play. Agreed. And if he goes to whatever team is willing to pay it…then that says it all….once we know what MB was offering, that is.
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Post by flowerpower on Aug 1, 2014 18:23:32 GMT -5
Over 8 years P.K. is worth $6.5M per year for two RFA seasons for a total of $13M then add 6 more years at $8.5M per year for six UFA seasons for a total of $51m
Grand Total: $64M for a cap hit of $8M
If P.K. prefers larger amount and smaller long term risk you offer him a 5-year contract. 6.5M per year for two RFA seasons for a total of $13M $10M per year for three UFA seasons for a total of $30M
Grand Total: $43M for a cap hit of $8.60M
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Post by PTH on Aug 1, 2014 18:26:46 GMT -5
The problem is, maybe he wants 10 million.... but only for 5 years or so. In short, he could be after the big $ but not be willing to give us long-term security in exchange for it.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 1, 2014 18:49:47 GMT -5
Considering comparable contracts for superstars, the Rocket never earned more than $50,000 and Gordie Howe maxed out at $25,000 in Detroit. (That's per season, not per game).
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Post by seventeen on Aug 1, 2014 19:59:45 GMT -5
Doughty's Cap hit is $7MM, or about 10% of today's CAP. Ok, PK's tax issues are worse, though perhaps not so much as California isn't exactly Florida or Texas (thank god, 32MM more of that type would kill me, but I digress). I'd say 8 to 8.5MM. I'd swap PK for Doughty in a flash, so the talent issue is part of it. PK's charismatic and might fill more seats than Doughty, but would not improve the chances of winning a cup and as Cranky says, it's all about that, not about PK. Nothing personal. He may be 'worth' more, but not at the expense of the odds of winning a cup.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 1, 2014 21:15:07 GMT -5
PK is worth about $64,000,000.00 less than he would be worth if he signed long term.
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