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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 5, 2014 8:16:01 GMT -5
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Post by madhabber on Aug 5, 2014 9:54:05 GMT -5
I look at this in two different ways.
First, the guy is done. With MT, though and most NHL coaches, they like to play their veterans at the expense of the younguns.
Second, Tinordi and Beaulieu will fight for spots 6-7 all season and the cube can have spot 8. Plays in an emergency. We've seen in the past that MB likes to have depth throughout the lineup. If Beef Broth plays as often this year for the Habs as Hal Gill played for Philly last year, then I don't have a problem with this. If he plays at the expense of Tinordi and Beaulieu, then I don't like it.
Drewiske is strickly minor league at this point and unless we run into heavy injury trouble, he won't play again. But at this point I'd rate him above Ellis and below Pateryn and Nygren. So effectively #11 on the depth chart (if Boo Boo is signed).
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 5, 2014 13:56:19 GMT -5
Thought this was the "Signs of the Apocalypse" thread when I first read it ...
Cheers.
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Post by duster on Aug 5, 2014 16:05:23 GMT -5
The team needs the cap space far more than it needs a No. 10 defenseman playing for more NHL minutes than he should. If you need to waste the money, sign Del Zotto.
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 5, 2014 16:43:32 GMT -5
Please no. The guy is 38. With weaver and Markov At 35 each and Gilbert at 31? we need some young legs in the back end
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Post by franko on Aug 5, 2014 18:48:27 GMT -5
I had to look at my calendar and make sure it wasn't April 1st when I read this.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 5, 2014 19:17:50 GMT -5
I had to look at my calendar and make sure it wasn't April 1st when I read this. April 1? Hab's sign Frankie B for 8 years at $72 million based upon a 4am phone call from Molson to Bergevin and trade Subban to Toronto for Dion Phaneuf. Israel and Abbas declare an end to undeclared war and Putin orders troops to exit Crimea. Obama steps down from office after saying, "sorry, my bad!" Toronto Mayor Rob Ford shuts down the 401 in preparation for the Stanley Cup Parade and checks out of Betty Ford Clinic and into Pointe Claire Tavern for rehab.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 5, 2014 19:37:11 GMT -5
... checks out of Betty Ford Clinic and into Pointe Claire Tavern. Did someone mention beer ... here's to the Ottawa Hotel ... Cheers.
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Post by jkr on Aug 6, 2014 6:45:16 GMT -5
I had to look at my calendar and make sure it wasn't April 1st when I read this. April 1? Hab's sign Frankie B for 8 years at $72 million based upon a 4am phone call from Molson to Bergevin and trade Subban to Toronto for Dion Phaneuf. Israel and Abbas declare an end to undeclared war and Putin orders troops to exit Crimea. Obama steps down from office after saying, "sorry, my bad!" Toronto Mayor Rob Ford shuts down the 401 in preparation for the Stanley Cup Parade and checks out of Betty Ford Clinic and into Pointe Claire Tavern for rehab. You don't mean the Hymus Tavern in Pointe Claire do you? Brings back some memories - some good, some not so good.
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Post by stoat on Aug 6, 2014 9:59:52 GMT -5
Maybe there's a spot for him on thye first pair of the Haitian national team.
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Post by Patty Roy on Aug 7, 2014 8:20:32 GMT -5
Meh...this isn't a big surprise. You just knew that Bergevin was going to add a fringe #8 veteran type. Gets in the way of Pateryn seeing any real action this year, but probably doesn't impact Beaulieu/Tinordi who should be slotted higher in the depth chart than Frankie Boo.
In an ideal world i'd like to see some sort of rotation between Weaver, Tinordi and Beaulieu in that bottom pairing. Each one of the 3 could play 60 games this year in a rotation setting and with the odd injury fill in on the top 4. If Bouillon ends up being the #8 guy for league minimum that plays 20 games then so be it.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 7, 2014 13:11:18 GMT -5
I suspect this is a journalist trying to turn a molehill into a mountain of news. Berg wants to take the summer off after a tough negotiation, not save the season by signing Cube. Frankie is over and done. So long, it's been good to know ya. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
More logically, why on earth would we want to go down that road again? It's not as if we don't have enough defensive depth. After the agreed upon 5 starters, we have Tinordi, Beaulieu, Nygren, and Pateryn. All these guys are NHL ready and no doubt all have better possession stats than Mr Bouillon. I don't see a single positive aspect to re-signing Francis and a whole bunch of negative aspects. Not that that's stopped Hab management in the past when a local boy is in the mix. But this is an old local boy, who has already been given many benefits of the doubt and had his career extended generously. Take up coaching, Francis, move along.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Aug 7, 2014 14:32:59 GMT -5
I don’t see our depth as being that great right now, especially on the left side where you have Markov, Emelin and the next 2 are Beaulieu and Tinordi and that’s it… a few injuries on that side (and really Emelin and Markov kinda scare me at that level…) and we’re in Drewiski territory… Frankly I’d much, much rather have Bouillon as an insurance policy than Drewiski…
On the right side, personally I don’t believe in this Nygren guy… we’re talking about a one trick pony PP tool… a Sweden version of Marc André Bergeron…. Then there is this “…I fear for my life in scary Hamilton so I’m leaving for Sweden in the middle of the season…”…. Then he blurts in the media early in the summer that it’s either the NHL or back to Sweden for him… A player who was struggling in the AHL last year... All this added, somehow he doesn’t strike me too much as a guy Bergevin will spend too much energy on… So really the depth on the ride side is… Pateryn.
Than there is the “big brother” aspect. If Bouillon comes back, he knows very well that he’ll be a depth dmen who wont see a lot of action… still it’s good to have a guy like that around who knows the team and the pressure cooker of Montreal, who’ll never miss an optional and will be there when a Beaulieu or a Tinordi will sit a few games with him, encourage them, tell them to keep working hard, etc… ‘cause anyway you slice it, Bouillon or no Bouillon, Tinordi and/or Beaulieu will sit some games as they are battling for spots 6 and 7…
All in all at right price, for 1 year, as an insurance policy, I see this as a good idea.
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Post by UberCranky on Aug 7, 2014 14:43:44 GMT -5
The problem is that if one has an option that one perceives that is better then the one one is using, survival instinct kicks in. Win and survive or perish....hello Darwin.
If Tinordi and Beau make a mistake or 5 and Booboo is waiting in the stands, he will be the go-to guy. MThead will not jeopardize too many games before our future is making paper airplanes. Next thing you know, MB is trading assets to get help at trade deadline...and our defense is getting crushed again at playoff time.
Second....
It's the defensive coaches job to mentor the players,. not some has been journeyman who can't claim anything but mediocre in his entire career.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 7, 2014 14:59:59 GMT -5
New direction. lets get smaller and older and slower and remove opportunities for rookies and use cap room for veterans that can't be demoted or put on entry level contracts..
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Post by blny on Aug 7, 2014 15:03:46 GMT -5
I'm all for an NHL caliber insurance policy. While appreciate that Cube is 'the devil you know' for MT, he doesn't address areas of need. Of our group of guaranteed everyday players on defense, Gilbert is the tallest at 6'3. Emelin is the most physical. Markov, Subban, and Weaver are 6' or less. If we're going to have a veteran insurance policy, let's get a guy that can clear the front of the net.
Strictly from the perspective of needing a veteran insurance policy, Sarich would be my choice. Same age as Bouillon. Cory's a veteran guy. He'd fit in well on any team looking for depth and eying playoff success.
Would I add? Not yet. I'd much prefer to enter the season, and go the first 20 games, with Tinordi/Beaulieu-Weaver as the third pair. Let the kids rotate in and out.
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 7, 2014 18:35:31 GMT -5
Exactly. There is no need to rush and drop 1 to 1.5 million on booboo. Defenceman like him are a dime a dozen and can be found at anytime of the year. Give the young guys a chance first.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 7, 2014 19:51:28 GMT -5
If MB signs him, MT will use him. MT is a creature of habit and he loves little feisty guys.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Aug 7, 2014 20:26:31 GMT -5
If MB signs him, MT will use him. MT is a creature of habit and he loves little feisty guys. He was only used sparingly in the playoffs so I dont see that changing much.
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Post by HABSINFL on Aug 8, 2014 14:35:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the memories, aurevoir, you have been a good soldier. Best of luck.
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Post by stoat on Aug 8, 2014 20:18:21 GMT -5
I just caught that "intensely negotiating," Does that mean that Bergevin took Bouillon to lunch at some bistro? Is Bergevin so sentimental that he'd pay $1 M+ because he can't stand seeing a grown man cry?
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 9, 2014 19:09:04 GMT -5
I just caught that "intensely negotiating," Does that mean that Bergevin took Bouillon to lunch at some bistro? Is Bergevin so sentimental that he'd pay $1 M+ because he can't stand seeing a grown man cry? Problem is that it's MT crying.
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 12, 2014 7:00:31 GMT -5
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 12, 2014 10:55:50 GMT -5
Maybe He had a late growth spurt?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 12, 2014 12:03:51 GMT -5
Maybe Tinordi can lay him out with a thundering check in the first scrimmage. The Berg has said that the kids have to force management to make a decision.
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 12, 2014 14:23:48 GMT -5
There should be two April Fools days. One on Aprils 1st and a perpetual one that folows the Habs around.
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Post by stoat on Sept 12, 2014 20:07:42 GMT -5
Maybe He had a late growth spurt? Human growth hormone doesn't facilitate growth at Bouillon's age. Like Bouillon himself, it would be too little and too late.
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Post by christrpn on Sept 13, 2014 7:05:27 GMT -5
I don't see Bouillon as a Hab this year. Just doesn't make sense. I guess the train of thought here would be that he's a good option if the young guns lack some leadership during preseason. Nothing he does can't be done by Tinordi. Give Tinordi more experience and you have a guy that offers more than Bouillon.
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Post by PTH on Sept 13, 2014 12:13:23 GMT -5
Meh. It's a tryout. In short, if he beats out the kids for a spot, he might get a contract. More likely, if ever we have a couple of injuries he might get signed for added depth.
If he'd been signed to anything but a 2-way contract I'd be annoyed and wondering why we'd be wasting a roster spot on him, but I think he'll go to camp, raise the competition level for that last d-man slot, get beaten by Tinordi, Pateryn or Beaulieu, and either head home, get a 2-way deal and wait for injuries, or get signed elsewhere when another team has a couple of injuries in camp.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 13, 2014 14:43:08 GMT -5
It still sends a message that the braintrust does not have total confidence in the youngsters, which I think is absolutely wrong. There's plenty of competition for spots.
PK, Gilbert, Markov, Emelin and Weaver are locks. Beaulieu, Tinordi and Pateryn are fighting for that last remaining spot. Do you really need to add a 4th? No, I think it has more to do with some sort of 'loyalty' issue to Cube. Either that or Therrien has finally gone nuts. I just think its totally unnecessary and has little or no upside, with plenty of downside.
The absolute only reason I can think of for having him around is to round out the number of d-men they need for scrimmages. He and Drewiske would make 3 pairings for each of the red team and white team.
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