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Post by FREEHAB on Sept 5, 2014 9:13:56 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Sept 5, 2014 10:00:02 GMT -5
well, he did say that he'd like to play for a winning team. and I'd rather him than Budaj, but that contract isn't going anywhere.
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 5, 2014 10:09:46 GMT -5
Now that no one else will sign him he's interested. Winning before nostalgia please. NEXT!!!
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Post by HabSolute on Sept 5, 2014 10:20:36 GMT -5
Thanks, but no Thanks...
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 5, 2014 10:40:36 GMT -5
... he'd probably make and excellent mentor/goaltender coach but our current coach seems to be doing just fine ...
Cheers.
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Post by Polarice on Sept 5, 2014 11:14:46 GMT -5
Heard this last night.....no thanks!!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 5, 2014 12:10:27 GMT -5
Ummmmm...no.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Sept 5, 2014 15:02:03 GMT -5
...a few years ago Brodeur would always mention that he would never play for Montréal... the scrutiny, the whinny fans, bla-bla-bla...
...now that he's without a contract he "wouldn't mind"... Suuuuuure... What he wouldn't mind is milking us for few mil...
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 5, 2014 15:10:57 GMT -5
In case you read HabsRus Martin, I need you to hear this clearly........GET LOST!
Why are all of these washed out players like Montreal AFTER nobody else wants them? Were was he ten years ago? I want no part, in any way, shape or form any of these players. Budaj is serviceable and with a little more seasoning, Tokarski may even annoy and challenge Price. Then there is Fucale in the pipeline.
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 5, 2014 15:14:50 GMT -5
...a few years ago Brodeur would always mention that he would never play for Montréal... the scrutiny, the whinny fans, bla-bla-bla... ...now that he's without a contract he "wouldn't mind"... Suuuuuure... What he wouldn't mind is milking us for few mil... He's playing the French angle. If I was French, I would be even more annoyed. Anywho...who cares. Gainey and Houle are not running the Habs anymore and if his agent really called Bergy, he probably spilled coffee on himself laughing his head off.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 5, 2014 16:00:16 GMT -5
Just like briere, go to mtl when nobody else wants you.
We have budaj with 1 year left and tokarski with 2 years, first year is 2 way and second is 1 way. I can see budaj being traded at the deadline or let go as an FA. Sooooo.... Frappe la rue marty. We don't need you... We have a world class goalie and multiple backups.
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Post by HABSINFL on Sept 5, 2014 16:05:48 GMT -5
No way we need him. Pass on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 17:38:54 GMT -5
If Marty wants to be a mentor, some team will gladly hire him as a goalie coach.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 5, 2014 17:40:53 GMT -5
Heck, I wouldn't mind being the Habs backup goalie, but that's not going to happen either. Sayonara, Marty.
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 5, 2014 22:34:23 GMT -5
Heck, I wouldn't mind being the Habs backup goalie, but that's not going to happen either. Sayonara, Marty. 17, I'd take you over Marty. I like the crowd you hang with
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Post by stoat on Sept 7, 2014 2:37:40 GMT -5
A classic case of too little and too late. At least two younger goaltenders will vie for that position, not to mention that there's a strange convention known as the cap. There are senior leagues in which Martin can display his faded skills.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 7, 2014 7:26:48 GMT -5
Sad to see a Hall of Fame 21 year veteran reduced to this. Wanna buy tickets to see Melissa Rivers at Place des Arts or a shoot out of Gomez vs Brodeur?
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Post by blny on Sept 7, 2014 18:42:07 GMT -5
Too little too late.
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 9, 2014 7:39:44 GMT -5
Vincent Damphousse said that it was actually Montreal that approached Brodeur to gauge his interest in coming here.
Which, if you will permit me to be the bad guy here, is really not all that bad an idea. ASSUMING that we can trade Budaj, AND that Brodeur doesn't get anything longer than a one year contract, preferably for the same amount of money Budaj is making. Though I suppose I could tolerate up to about $2 million for a cap hit.
I believe, and have always believed, that management intends to try and slip Tokarski through waivers and have him play a full season in the AHL as Hamilton's #1 goalie. We can argue the merits/wisdom of such a move in another thread (or perhaps this one) but I believe that is the plan.
So the question then becomes "who is the better goalie, Budaj or Brodeur?"
While a pretty good argument could be made that it is Budaj, I think a pretty decent one could be made that it's Marty too. Especially when you consider that Brodeur, with his puck-handling ability, plays more like Price than Budaj does. Which theoretically would mean that the team doesn't have to adjust as much from one goalie to the other. Throw in the fact that Brodeur has always been lights out at the Bell Centre, AND the cash-grab that would come with the sale of Brodeur/Hab sweaters, and it makes sense. Especially since we're only talking about 20 games or so.
Is the difference between Brodeur and Budaj for 20 games so big that it wouldn't be worth grabbing the extra 5th round pick/goon/B-prospect for Hamilton and the millions or so for Mr. Molson? I don't particularly care about Molson's bottom line, but I also don't see it as being that big a downgrade on the ice, if it's a downgrade at all. If we can finangle an extra pick out of the process, or a another body that could be used for something else, then why not? It would be like getting a free asset, if you ask me.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 9, 2014 7:59:02 GMT -5
Vincent Damphousse said that it was actually Montreal that approached Brodeur to gauge his interest in coming here. Which, if you will permit me to be the bad guy here, is really not all that bad an idea. ASSUMING that we can trade Budaj, AND that Brodeur doesn't get anything longer than a one year contract, preferably for the same amount of money Budaj is making. Though I suppose I could tolerate up to about $2 million for a cap hit. I believe, and have always believed, that management intends to try and slip Tokarski through waivers and have him play a full season in the AHL as Hamilton's #1 goalie. We can argue the merits/wisdom of such a move in another thread (or perhaps this one) but I believe that is the plan. So the question then becomes "who is the better goalie, Budaj or Brodeur?" While a pretty good argument could be made that it is Budaj, I think a pretty decent one could be made that it's Marty too. Especially when you consider that Brodeur, with his puck-handling ability, plays more like Price than Budaj does. Which theoretically would mean that the team doesn't have to adjust as much from one goalie to the other. Throw in the fact that Brodeur has always been lights out at the Bell Centre, AND the cash-grab that would come with the sale of Brodeur/Hab sweaters, and it makes sense. Especially since we're only talking about 20 games or so. Is the difference between Brodeur and Budaj for 20 games so big that it wouldn't be worth grabbing the extra 5th round pick/goon/B-prospect for Hamilton and the millions or so for Mr. Molson? I don't particularly care about Molson's bottom line, but I also don't see it as being that big a downgrade on the ice, if it's a downgrade at all. If we can finangle an extra pick out of the process, or a another body that could be used for something else, then why not? It would be like getting a free asset, if you ask me. And what happens if part way through the season Brodeur says he wants to play more games. The media Saperlipopette storm that would come out of this is not worth any sort of money Molson will get from extra sweater sales IMO. Also, trying to sneak Tokarski through the waivers... suuuure that'll work. Everyone saw how well he played in the playoffs, he'll get grabbed for sure.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 9, 2014 8:55:21 GMT -5
Vincent Damphousse said that it was actually Montreal that approached Brodeur to gauge his interest in coming here. Which, if you will permit me to be the bad guy here, is really not all that bad an idea. ASSUMING that we can trade Budaj, AND that Brodeur doesn't get anything longer than a one year contract, preferably for the same amount of money Budaj is making. Though I suppose I could tolerate up to about $2 million for a cap hit. I believe, and have always believed, that management intends to try and slip Tokarski through waivers and have him play a full season in the AHL as Hamilton's #1 goalie. We can argue the merits/wisdom of such a move in another thread (or perhaps this one) but I believe that is the plan. So the question then becomes "who is the better goalie, Budaj or Brodeur?" While a pretty good argument could be made that it is Budaj, I think a pretty decent one could be made that it's Marty too. Especially when you consider that Brodeur, with his puck-handling ability, plays more like Price than Budaj does. Which theoretically would mean that the team doesn't have to adjust as much from one goalie to the other. Throw in the fact that Brodeur has always been lights out at the Bell Centre, AND the cash-grab that would come with the sale of Brodeur/Hab sweaters, and it makes sense. Especially since we're only talking about 20 games or so. Is the difference between Brodeur and Budaj for 20 games so big that it wouldn't be worth grabbing the extra 5th round pick/goon/B-prospect for Hamilton and the millions or so for Mr. Molson? I don't particularly care about Molson's bottom line, but I also don't see it as being that big a downgrade on the ice, if it's a downgrade at all. If we can finangle an extra pick out of the process, or a another body that could be used for something else, then why not? It would be like getting a free asset, if you ask me. And what happens if part way through the season Brodeur says he wants to play more games. The media Saperlipopette storm that would come out of this is not worth any sort of money Molson will get from extra sweater sales IMO. Also, trying to sneak Tokarski through the waivers... suuuure that'll work. Everyone saw how well he played in the playoffs, he'll get grabbed for sure. Tokarsky and Fucale. Budaj can be traded without picking up Brodeur. Does this seem like trying to fit four fishermen into a kayak that only has room for one at a time.
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 9, 2014 9:22:34 GMT -5
I don't think Brodeur will ask for more games, and I don't think the media, in general, would be clamoring for it either. Sure, there will always be THAT faction, but it's a small one, and will be even smaller if Price performs as he is capable of performing. I don't see it being an issue.
As for Tokarski not clearing waivers… which team would claim him?
It would have to be a team that either DOESN'T have two goalies under NHL contract already (very few of those, and will be even fewer once training camp starts), or who thinks that Tokarski is better than one of the two they have and is willing to sit an NHL goalie contract in the AHL and take the cap hit that comes with it.
Which teams are like that? There aren't actually all that many, and even those that are, like Boston for example, also have hot-shot prospects that they could end up losing if they claim Tokarski. And some of those teams are already in cap trouble, like the aforementioned Bruins. They could think Tokarski is better than Niklas Svedberg, who they have penciled in as their current #2, but Svedberg is on a one-way contract and the Bruins are already over the cap. Not saying they couldn't get around it if they really wanted to, but it's another factor for them to consider. They'd have to REALLY like Tokarsi to claim him, and then make other moves to clear cap space to accommodate him.
There are a few teams that might be interested, but not more than a few in my opinion. It would be a gamble, but a calculated one in my opinion. If only five or six teams *might* be interested in him AND have the ability to actually claim him and keep him in on the roster then you may very well be able to slip him through.
Besides, how good for Tokarski's development is it going to be if he only plays 20 games next year, if not less?
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Post by franko on Sept 9, 2014 9:24:37 GMT -5
hmmm . . . I didn't think that Tokarski had to go through waivers . . . "emergency call-up" and all that. if he does then we'll be carrying 3 Gs; if he doesn't then he'll be playing in the A for more seasoning and for less $ to the team.
and even though Marty may have indeed tried to burn the bridge to Centre Bell, if seems (even if it is just a case grab attempt) that he is trying to rebuild it.
and given the choice . . . I'd take Marty over Budaj any day. I mean if the Habs took Tokarski over Budaj . . . they don't have a lot of faith in him.
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Post by FREEHAB on Sept 9, 2014 10:01:14 GMT -5
Tokarski is a young, smallish goalie, who may or may not simply be a "stop gap" in the eventual transition between Price and Fucale. Price will be the "go to" guy for years to come - and Tokarski may not relish the role of playing second fiddle. He'll likely never be the one allowed to push Price for a starting spot. Budaj is a great team guy, awesome in the locker room and has no designs on taking the starting job. Between those two options, I'd say Budaj is the more manageable option.
That being said, even at his best, Peter doesn't carry the PR weight that Marty would bring.
IF you could trade Budaj, grab Marty for a song, and bury Tokarski in Hamilton without having him snapped up by someone else - then that's ideal.
Even IF another team grabbed Tokarski on waivers - I'm still not so sure you'd be worse off. I'm not 100% sold on Tokarski being that great anyway.
Order of operations: see if you can get Tokarski to Hamilton first, then sign Marty, then trade Budaj.
Just my two cents.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 9, 2014 10:10:25 GMT -5
As for Tokarski not clearing waivers… which team would claim him? As it stands now, the Devils only have 1 goalie under contract.
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 9, 2014 14:54:26 GMT -5
We already plenty deep in net. Likely going to be Condon, MacDonald, Budai in Hamilton now.
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Post by stoat on Sept 9, 2014 21:38:13 GMT -5
In case you read HabsRus Martin, I need you to hear this clearly........GET LOST!Why are all of these washed out players like Montreal AFTER nobody else wants them? Were was he ten years ago? I want no part, in any way, shape or form any of these players. Budaj is serviceable and with a little more seasoning, Tokarski may even annoy and challenge Price. Then there is Fucale in the pipeline. I agree with you (except for the suggestion that Tokarski might challenge Price, who was just deemed the third best goaltender in the NHL). The Habs don't owe Brodeur any favors. What is he trying to do, duck alimony payments in New Jersey?
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Post by stoat on Sept 9, 2014 21:42:05 GMT -5
Heck, I wouldn't mind being the Habs backup goalie, but that's not going to happen either. Sayonara, Marty. Unlike you, I would mind being the Habs' backup goalie. I'd be terrified of having NHLers firing pucks at me.
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Post by stoat on Sept 9, 2014 21:46:11 GMT -5
Vincent Damphousse said that it was actually Montreal that approached Brodeur to gauge his interest in coming here. Which, if you will permit me to be the bad guy here, is really not all that bad an idea. ASSUMING that we can trade Budaj, AND that Brodeur doesn't get anything longer than a one year contract, preferably for the same amount of money Budaj is making. Though I suppose I could tolerate up to about $2 million for a cap hit. I believe, and have always believed, that management intends to try and slip Tokarski through waivers and have him play a full season in the AHL as Hamilton's #1 goalie. We can argue the merits/wisdom of such a move in another thread (or perhaps this one) but I believe that is the plan. So the question then becomes "who is the better goalie, Budaj or Brodeur?" While a pretty good argument could be made that it is Budaj, I think a pretty decent one could be made that it's Marty too. Especially when you consider that Brodeur, with his puck-handling ability, plays more like Price than Budaj does. Which theoretically would mean that the team doesn't have to adjust as much from one goalie to the other. Throw in the fact that Brodeur has always been lights out at the Bell Centre, AND the cash-grab that would come with the sale of Brodeur/Hab sweaters, and it makes sense. Especially since we're only talking about 20 games or so. Is the difference between Brodeur and Budaj for 20 games so big that it wouldn't be worth grabbing the extra 5th round pick/goon/B-prospect for Hamilton and the millions or so for Mr. Molson? I don't particularly care about Molson's bottom line, but I also don't see it as being that big a downgrade on the ice, if it's a downgrade at all. If we can finangle an extra pick out of the process, or a another body that could be used for something else, then why not? It would be like getting a free asset, if you ask me. Can Brodeur sing O Canada and The Star Spangled Banner? There's an opening for an anthem singer.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 9, 2014 22:56:23 GMT -5
Heck, I wouldn't mind being the Habs backup goalie, but that's not going to happen either. Sayonara, Marty. Unlike you, I would mind being the Habs' backup goalie. I'd be terrified of having NHLers firing pucks at me. You have to risk a little to earn that minimum NHL salary. I'd have pads on my pads and the biggest stainless stell cup money can buy.
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