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Post by Gogie on Sept 13, 2014 17:05:04 GMT -5
Having his #11 hanging by the rafters along the sides of all the nice FRENCH speaking player would cause... nothing, quebecers are lazy, but you get the point. Of the 18 players with their numbers hanging in the rafters (including the soon to be Guy Lapointe), 12 were born in Quebec and 6 were born outside of Quebec. I don't know how many spoke French as their first language (I'm willing to concede that the majority of them did) but I'm pretty sure a number of them didn't speak French at all, or only modestly at best. Robinson, Gainey and Dryden all may have spoke it, but I'm pretty sure only Dryden might even be remotely considered bilingual. Don't know about Elmer Lach (being born in Saskatchewan makes me thing French would only have been learned after joining the Habs if he spoke it at all), Doug Harvey (he was born in West Montreal, so he was probably bilingual), Howie Morenz (born in Mitchell, Ontario) and Dickie Moore (born in Montreal so he was probably bilingual but I don't know if French was his first language).
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Post by seventeen on Sept 13, 2014 18:06:49 GMT -5
Hockey fans knock Koivu's tenure as HABS captain because he never won any hardware based on stats and never brought the Habs to glory. Here in Lala land, Koivu's tenure as captain is tarnished by the fact that he didn't master a fourth language. Speaking Finnish, Swedish and English fluently wasn't enough. Having his #11 hanging by the rafters along the sides of all the nice FRENCH speaking player would cause... nothing, quebecers are lazy, but you get the point. Christrpn, could you please elaborate on your last sentence? I sort of think I get what you're alluding too, but I'm confused by the wording and it comes across as a slur on French speaking people, which I hope you didn't mean. Koivu was a terrific player who came along at a time when we had weak management, and then suffered some really bad luck with his knee injury (while leading the league in points) and could have helped a decent team perform even better (96/97). His agility, power and speed were never the same after his knee injury, and he became an excellent 2nd line centre rather than an excellent #1 centre. No one had more heart, though. #11 is well served again in that department after a vacation on Gomez's back. We'll have to see if his sweater is ever 'retired'. There are good arguments for and against. It points out again that we should be 'honouring' sweaters, not retiring them. Nother wrong with a #11 Koivu sweater on a wall of honour, and #11 still appearing on the ice. If you could, however, clarify your earlier comments, that would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Post by christrpn on Sept 14, 2014 9:58:45 GMT -5
To clarifiy the Èquebecers are lazy comment: We seem to have a lot of bark and no bite.
Gas prices are too high: b@tch and complain, do nothing Corruption in Union/construction/government: Complain and do nothing
To be clear, I am both born and raised in Quebec. Fluent in both English AND French. My mother tongue is french. By no means was my comment refering to french speaking Quebecers. Just the general poopulation complainning but never putting real energy in the cause.
Sorry for the misunderstanding
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Post by seventeen on Sept 14, 2014 13:00:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation, christrpn. I'm not sure you can generalize in that manner, but there are lots of groups who act that way, not just Quebecers. It is easier to complain than to work to change something. And sometimes we may feel any effort to change will go to waste anyway, or that oil companies for example are too big to tackle. Gas prices are something I hate because in my town they have been 5 to 10 cents higher than towns 15 minutes to an hour away. We're on the Trans Canada, so there's a lot of traffic and perhaps the oil companies just want to exact their pound of flesh because they can. Any ideas on what we can do about it, besides gassing up as much as possible in other communities (which is what I do)?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 20:44:46 GMT -5
He never carried the team on his back for extended periods of time ... Certainly not by his own choice, HF, but I thought that kind of responsibility was thrust upon him by the organization ... like, I really thought he had no choice ... no disrespect to Saku, but we never really had a bonafide no.1 centre in Montreal while he was there ... generally speaking his best games were when he was second-fiddle behind Vinny Damphousse ... I just feel he never really had the supporting cast surrounding him ... if he had we'd probably be having a different conversation ... Cheers. Ugh, don't remind me of Vinny. I was really sad when he was traded. Great hands.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 15, 2014 12:57:25 GMT -5
Saw the following tweet Dave Stubbs ✔ dave_Stubbs #Habs owner Geoff Molson said when the time is right, team will honour former captain Saku Koivu. Team will do it right, guaranteed EDIT: IMO the best date would be Dec 18 when the Ducks are in town.
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 16, 2014 16:25:04 GMT -5
Wouldn't be proper to infringe upon Remembrance Day, and not that they'll retire his jersey, but the Habs do play at home on 11/11.
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