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Post by habernac on Sept 15, 2014 8:09:36 GMT -5
Andrei Markov, Tomas Plekanec, Max Pacioretty and P.K. Subban
I hate that we won't have a captain, just make a decision already.
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Post by Polarice on Sept 15, 2014 8:39:09 GMT -5
Ya pretty dumb....just name someone.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 15, 2014 8:55:26 GMT -5
Looks like Tomas Plekanec and Andrei Markov will wear the letters on their jerseys all year, whilst PK Subban and Max Pacioretty alternate throughout the year. Also P.K. Subban will wear an A at home and Max Pacioretty will wear one on the road. They'll switch after 41 games.
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 15, 2014 10:27:31 GMT -5
All the players say they have leaders throughout the line up. So all i really want to know, without a captain who takes the ceremonial face off and gets to meet Eugenie?!
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Post by jkr on Sept 15, 2014 10:53:57 GMT -5
All the players say they have leaders throughout the line up. So all i really want to know, without a captain who takes the ceremonial face off and gets to meet Eugenie?! Sounds like an episode of The Bachelor. Guess PK wins that. Tough job but someone has to do it.
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 15, 2014 12:11:17 GMT -5
Everybody wins!! What's next? Participation medals for everyone? I'm kidding (sort of). It's probably not that big a deal but it does seem to be a bit of a cop-out. As in, "we can't offend the old guard in Plekanec and Markov, but they're not really great leaders, and while we really like to pick somebody from the new guard we can't decide which one to take without seriously p*ssing off the other one... so let's name everybody captain!"
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 15, 2014 12:35:56 GMT -5
Looks like Tomas Plekanec and Andrei Markov will wear the letters on their jerseys all year, whilst PK Subban and Max Pacioretty alternate throughout the year. Also P.K. Subban will wear an A at home and Max Pacioretty will wear one on the road. They'll switch after 41 games. Willie, this is what puzzles me about the process ... I'm only assuming the decisions were made through consensus, which leads me to think it wasn't all that effective a process ... why is there avoidance in making the decision for a captain? ... is the team divided on who should be next? ... pretty much the same for all teams, no? Everybody wins!! What's next? Participation medals for everyone? I'm kidding (sort of). It's probably not that big a deal but it does seem to be a bit of a cop-out. As in, "we can't offend the old guard in Plekanec and Markov, but they're not really great leaders, and while we really like to pick somebody from the new guard we can't decide which one to take without seriously p*ssing off the other one... so let's name everybody captain!" Didn't know Brian Gionta meant so much to the Habs ... I understand why he was allowed to walk but how do you let your captain go without having a replacement ... "let-him-go-now-and-we'll-handle-it-later" seems a bit out of character for a proactive person like Begevin ... we lost some smaller players in the off season, but we also lost a lot of leadership, too ... I'm interested in seeing how this works, actually ... Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 15, 2014 12:51:06 GMT -5
Looks like Tomas Plekanec and Andrei Markov will wear the letters on their jerseys all year, whilst PK Subban and Max Pacioretty alternate throughout the year. Also P.K. Subban will wear an A at home and Max Pacioretty will wear one on the road. They'll switch after 41 games. Willie, this is what puzzles me about the process ... I'm only assuming the decisions were made through consensus, which leads me to think it wasn't all that effective a process ... why is there avoidance in making the decision for a captain? ... is the team divided on who should be next? ... pretty much the same for all teams, no? Everybody wins!! What's next? Participation medals for everyone? I'm kidding (sort of). It's probably not that big a deal but it does seem to be a bit of a cop-out. As in, "we can't offend the old guard in Plekanec and Markov, but they're not really great leaders, and while we really like to pick somebody from the new guard we can't decide which one to take without seriously p*ssing off the other one... so let's name everybody captain!" Didn't know Brian Gionta meant so much to the Habs ... I understand why he was allowed to walk but how do you let your captain go without having a replacement ... "let-him-go-now-and-we'll-handle-it-later" seems a bit out of character for a proactive person like Begevin ... we lost some smaller players in the off season, but we also lost a lot of leadership, too ... I'm interested in seeing how this works, actually ... Cheers. If the voting for captain is 75-25 in favour of 1 player, then there is no issue. If the voting is close to 50-50, then it causes a big issue. Maybe MB was concerned about having a close vote.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 15, 2014 12:56:55 GMT -5
Everybody wins!! What's next? Participation medals for everyone? I'm kidding (sort of). It's probably not that big a deal but it does seem to be a bit of a cop-out. As in, "we can't offend the old guard in Plekanec and Markov, but they're not really great leaders, and while we really like to pick somebody from the new guard we can't decide which one to take without seriously p*ssing off the other one... so let's name everybody captain!" Each game the players feel under their seats, and if they find a C or an A, they iron it on their shirt and become captain.
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Post by Polarice on Sept 15, 2014 13:00:17 GMT -5
So.......who gets to be the first one to raise the cup this year?
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 15, 2014 13:02:35 GMT -5
So.......who gets to be the first one to raise the cup this year? It'll probably be the most senior player wearing an A, so it'll be Markov
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 15, 2014 13:14:56 GMT -5
So.......who gets to be the first one to raise the cup this year? It'll probably be the most senior player wearing an A, so it'll be Markov Bring Denis Savard back ... he'll do it ... Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on Sept 15, 2014 13:33:19 GMT -5
Everybody wins!! What's next? Participation medals for everyone? I'm kidding (sort of). It's probably not that big a deal but it does seem to be a bit of a cop-out. As in, "we can't offend the old guard in Plekanec and Markov, but they're not really great leaders, and while we really like to pick somebody from the new guard we can't decide which one to take without seriously p*ssing off the other one... so let's name everybody captain!" Or vice-versa of course ... MB and MT might feel PK and Pacioretty aren't ready. And they dont want to piss them off by naming the one guy who will be wearing a letter all year
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Post by madhabber on Sept 15, 2014 13:54:41 GMT -5
I get the impression that it's Subban's job to earn this year without giving him the added pressure after signing his big contract. You know those Tarana media lundheads are just waiting to jump on him at every little thing he does. I think MB is just giving PK one year of breathing space before making it official.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 15, 2014 14:10:21 GMT -5
Sometimes you just have to make a decision and it certainly seems like a cop-out here. There had to have been times in the past when the players voted the captain, that there was a close vote. Some comments above suggest that they didn't make a decision to avoid p###ing off the loser. If that loser was captain material to start with, they sure better have a more grown up attitude toward that possibility.
The players and management all talk about there being lots of leaders in the room and that those leaders don't need a letter to do so, but then when the rubber hits the road, someone chickens out and isn't willing to make a hard decision. This concerns me since making tough decisions is a key factor of leadership. By avoiding (postponing) the issue, the message is that we lack leadership in management. There's nothing good about this move.
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 15, 2014 14:51:21 GMT -5
Everybody wins!! What's next? Participation medals for everyone? I'm kidding (sort of). So who wins? The guy who can pucker the best and plant them in a nice line.......or "certain pictures" of Geoff?? Besides, it HAS to be Goeff because MThead doing "things" that only adults on a empty stomach can look at would have no value......*sigh*
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 15, 2014 16:01:53 GMT -5
Maybe we finally have a team, guys! More than one bona fide leader on the ice and in the dressing room ain't a bad thing.
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Post by HFTO on Sept 15, 2014 16:24:20 GMT -5
.....forget the alphabet ....just win baby
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Post by christrpn on Sept 15, 2014 18:00:51 GMT -5
Carey Price said it best "Having a letter on your jersey is ceremonial, I can be a leader without having to talk to the refs"
There's your captain ladies and gentlemen.
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 15, 2014 20:44:08 GMT -5
Carey Price said it best "Having a letter on your jersey is ceremonial, I can be a leader without having to talk to the refs" There's your captain ladies and gentlemen. Or….just another amongst the many leaders we have. Can anyone say Gallagher isn't a leader on the ice? Or Prust? How about the play of Weise in the playoffs? Doesn't matter to me if we don't have someone wearing the "C" this year. It'll work itself out. More important that there's as little dead wood as possible.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 15, 2014 21:03:39 GMT -5
Maybe we finally have a team, guys! More than one bona fide leader on the ice and in the dressing room ain't a bad thing. I was thinking how lucky we are not to have given it to Phaneuf ... what kind of successful organization does that ... Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 15, 2014 21:20:48 GMT -5
I get the impression that it's Subban's job to earn this year without giving him the added pressure after signing his big contract. You know those Tarana media lundheads are just waiting to jump on him at every little thing he does. I think MB is just giving PK one year of breathing space before making it official. That might be it.
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Post by PTH on Sept 15, 2014 22:57:25 GMT -5
I get the impression that it's Subban's job to earn this year without giving him the added pressure after signing his big contract. You know those Tarana media lundheads are just waiting to jump on him at every little thing he does. I think MB is just giving PK one year of breathing space before making it official. That might be it. That was my read on it as well.
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Post by Skilly on Sept 16, 2014 6:53:16 GMT -5
I get the impression that it's Subban's job to earn this year without giving him the added pressure after signing his big contract. You know those Tarana media lundheads are just waiting to jump on him at every little thing he does. I think MB is just giving PK one year of breathing space before making it official. I think that they balked at Markov (I really don't think Plekanec, nor Pacioretty was a serious consideration) because if they gave it to Markov then Subban would have to wait 3 years to get it ... A lot can happen in three years. A trial year, which isn't the first time Montreal did this, (and Ottawa is leaning this way too) makes it a little easier next year to not choose a short term deal player.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 16, 2014 8:16:37 GMT -5
Carey Price said it best "Having a letter on your jersey is ceremonial, I can be a leader without having to talk to the refs" There's your captain ladies and gentlemen. Interestingly enough, in an article on tsn.ca, Therrien said Carey would be in the room whenever MT will meet with the 4 ACs. Carey is a leader and everyone knows it.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 16, 2014 9:11:13 GMT -5
I get the impression that it's Subban's job to earn this year without giving him the added pressure after signing his big contract. You know those Tarana media lundheads are just waiting to jump on him at every little thing he does. I think MB is just giving PK one year of breathing space before making it official. Bob MacKenzie agrees with you ... he suggested that by doing it this way the organization actually is protecting him from what you've cited ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 16, 2014 9:39:43 GMT -5
I get the impression that it's Subban's job to earn this year without giving him the added pressure after signing his big contract. You know those Tarana media lundheads are just waiting to jump on him at every little thing he does. I think MB is just giving PK one year of breathing space before making it official. I think that they balked at Markov (I really don't think Plekanec, nor Pacioretty was a serious consideration) because if they gave it to Markov then Subban would have to wait 3 years to get it ... A lot can happen in three years. A trial year, which isn't the first time Montreal did this, (and Ottawa is leaning this way too) makes it a little easier next year to not choose a short term deal player. ... there are seven teams currently without a captain ... guess it's really not all that odd ... we did it just before naming Gionta captain, too ... Cheers.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Sept 16, 2014 16:30:01 GMT -5
Not only are they unable to decide on a captain, they can’t even decide on the Alternates!!! Alternating the Alternates!!! …that’s like your mother forcing you to keep training wheels on while all the other kids in the neighborhood are racing and playing skid marks…
What a circus… …now Pacioretty and Subban have the additional pressure of being on a public audition for a season… then what? One is going to go from part-time alternate to captain…? And what about the loser of this “Captain Academy” adventure?
…organization is saying “….we do not want the player to choose their captain… and neither will we !...” …it’s ridiculous.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 16, 2014 16:51:43 GMT -5
Eric Engels on the fantastic four: www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?blogger_id=82Habs name four assistants... Theories on why...
September 15, 2014,
Eric Engels
Andrei Markov, Tomas Plekanec, P.K. Subban and Max Pacioretty will all be wearing letters this season, but none of them will be the prestigious "C". The four will share assistant captain duties. General Manager Marc Bergevin just confirmed that this will be the case for all of this season, with both he and coach Michel Therrien stating that they felt this was the best option and that there's a transition that must take place.
Several reporters at Laval sur le lac Golf Course have confirmed from the Canadiens annual golf tournament that Subban will wear the "A" at home for the first 41 games, and Pacioretty will wear his on the road before they switch for the latter 41 games.
So, what does this all mean?
Does it mean they didn't trust any one of them to carry out these duties alone this season?
Have they avoided publicly giving out the "C" because they know that privately Carey Price is wearing it?
Is there a conspiracy to keep Subban from being captain? (Yep, people are already all over this angle... may as well address it).
Here are a few theories:
1. Bergevin and Therrien can be taken at their word on this. This is a transition year. It's clear that the team is getting younger, and that younger leaders have emerged, but there are two lifetime Canadiens--Markov and Plekanec--still in the fold, and stepping over them this season may unbalance the room.
2. The expectations are higher for this team than they have been in quite some time. If they name one of the two young guys captain, it might be a greater challenge than they want for that player starting out.
Pacioretty and Subban have emerged, but this is a year where the Canadiens still expect growth from both of them in different ways.
Pacioretty has to find the mental strength not to get down on himself, and needs to find consistent composure under the pressure of intense media/fan scrutiny, or under the bright lights of playoff hockey.
Will this test bring Subban to the next level, allowing him to prove he can lead on and off the ice; that he can be the ultimate team player at all times? That he'll play within himself?
This is the microscope both players will be under this season, and make no mistake, one of them will emerge as captain when all is said and done.
3. It's been long rumored that Markov wouldn't be interested in being captain, and it's been documented that he turned it down in the past. It's not so much that Markov is uncomfortable with the media responsibilities (a notion that's been misconstrued for quite some time), it's that he's not interested in them.
Perhaps the most interesting angle of this whole thing is that Plekanec wasn't named captain outright. He was the safest choice of the group, and it's not as though he's uncomfortable wearing the label. The fact is, Plekanec's future in Montreal is more up in the air than anyone has even speculated. He's got two seasons left on his contract, and his departure is the most likely opportunity for Alex Galchenyuk to find the middle of the ice. It may not happen this season--and early, you can forget about it--but eventually, moving Plekanec is likely on Bergevin's docket.
4. The theory that the Canadiens are just trying to keep Subban down is understandable, but also ridiculous. They just named him among the four leaders of their team, and this is a test for him to show that he can be even better with added responsibility. He's earned being a part of this group, but he doesn't have outright claim to the captaincy over two long-term vets and a contemporary--all of whom represent the franchise as well as he does.
Going back to theory number 1, I believe a big part of this is keeping harmony and balance in the room.
5. No matter who eventually wears the "C", Price is among this group of leaders, if not right out in front of it. Everyone in that room knows it, and most of the people outside of it know it too. There are others in there that can lead as well, from Moen to Gallagher, to Prust and Weaver. The Habs have a group of players that play for each other.
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 16, 2014 19:40:09 GMT -5
Eric Engels on the fantastic four: The Habs have a group of players that play for each other. Engels's final statement is what I'm taking from it. I'm relieved that we finally have a team willing to go to war for/with each other.
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