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Post by blny on Sept 28, 2014 9:17:30 GMT -5
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Post by GNick99 on Sept 28, 2014 11:00:16 GMT -5
Doubt they will find any takers. He's likely be exposed to waivers
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 28, 2014 12:16:32 GMT -5
It's been coming for a long time now. Glad MB is moving on it. If he clears waivers do we pick up cap space while he's in Hamilton?
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Post by seventeen on Sept 28, 2014 13:05:33 GMT -5
The thinking is that he is moveable, if Bergeron retains some of his salary. Berg might be forced into that situation, for chemistry reasons.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Sept 28, 2014 14:25:05 GMT -5
It was an ill advised contract by Bergevin to begin with. 4 years at a $1.85 million cap hit for a replacement level player was just plain dumb. Teams are probably finding that they have younger, cheaper alternatives on their farm teams so there is no reason to pay Moen close to $2 million a year for the next 2 years. I would just waive him now to see if anyone bites.
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 28, 2014 14:29:00 GMT -5
I would be surprised if he is traded, and outright shocked if he is put on waivers. There is just no reason to do either. Whatever people think of Moen he is still a very serviceable 4th liner player and penalty killer. He may not be much of a fighter anymore, and he's overpaid, but so what? We don't have cap problems, and so what if he can't fight?
We don't have a lot of depth in the "4th liner" department. Yes, right now we have Weise, Malhotra and Prust as our 4th line, and it looks like a good one, but what happens when, not if, Prust gets hurt? Do you put Christian Thomas on that line? Sven Andrighetto? Granted you have Michal Bournival to play with as well, but beyond that there isn't much. Only De la Rose could possibly be adequate with Weise and Malhotra, and even that's somewhat debatable. De la Rose certainly hasn't been light years ahead of Moen so far, so wouldn't it be better for him to play in the AHL for a little bit?
The ONLY reason I could see them trying to demote and/or trade Moen is if they want to carry eight defensemen, or three goalies. But in either of those cases you're going to have young kids sitting in the stands for long stretches of time. How many games would Tokarski get behind Price AND with Budaj in the mix? How much is Tinordi going to progress playing every other game, if he is lucky? Wouldn't it be better to just keep Moen and sit HIM in the stands?
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Post by seventeen on Sept 28, 2014 16:31:15 GMT -5
Moen does get a bum rap at times, probably because of his only playing 110 games the last 2 years. I've heard him described as a mediocre skater, which he isn't. He's quite fast, but doesn't look it because of the long stride. And he's a very good 4th line type player as BC described above. I don't have a big problem with him being traded, but not for a bagful of pucks. He's worth a lot more to us as 4th line depth. Prust and Weise may face injuries this year and Moen slots easily onto that 4th line. MOen has good character, too, and is our only player with a Cup ring. Lots of reasons to hold onto him.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 28, 2014 17:25:14 GMT -5
MOen has good character, too, and is our only player with a Cup ring. Lots of reasons to hold onto him. He's bin with the club since 2009 and le Club has removed a lot of leadership to this point ... he's also a loyal player who chose to remain in Montreal ... the only reason I can see him being moved is to make room, for who I do not know ... Cheers.
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Post by blny on Sept 28, 2014 17:37:25 GMT -5
I loved the initial acquisition of him. I too questioned the second contract. Concussions are an issue. Wear and tear as well. If he stays, I think he becomes the 13th forward. But, the issues with the roster - and glut - grow. They can't carry 8 d, 13 f and 3 goalies. Tokarski should be able to be sent down because the first year of his deal is a two-way deal, but you can see where I'm going.
As to Moen's value: he still has some. If there's a team looking for a veteran 4th liner to fill out their roster I think he's worth a 4th or 5th. There's 2 years left on his deal. It's not a huge hit, so I don't think Berg should have to eat any unless it gets him something unexpected.
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Post by Polarice on Sept 29, 2014 8:24:59 GMT -5
As much as I liked Moen, I feel its time to move on.....his last contract was a head shaker. I would rather have one of the kids take his 6 to 10 minutes a game.
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Post by Willie Dog on Sept 29, 2014 8:36:22 GMT -5
I loved the initial acquisition of him. I too questioned the second contract. Concussions are an issue. Wear and tear as well. If he stays, I think he becomes the 13th forward. But, the issues with the roster - and glut - grow. They can't carry 8 d, 13 f and 3 goalies. Tokarski should be able to be sent down because the first year of his deal is a two-way deal, but you can see where I'm going. As to Moen's value: he still has some. If there's a team looking for a veteran 4th liner to fill out their roster I think he's worth a 4th or 5th. There's 2 years left on his deal. It's not a huge hit, so I don't think Berg should have to eat any unless it gets him something unexpected. I believe Tokarski still has to clear waivers if he's sent down. As for Moen, I can see Moen being moved to increase cap space, if you move Moen and bring in a kid, you can add $1 million to your cap space. We all know MB likes having cap space at the deadline and with the expectations for this team this year, I can see MB wanting cap space in case another Vanek type deal comes around.
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Post by madhabber on Sept 29, 2014 9:03:57 GMT -5
I can see him being shop. We do have Weise, Malhotra, Prust, and Bournival for the 4th line. And yes BC, I can see Thomas and De La Rose on the fourth line, for the simple reason that that's where call-ups end up. Whenever someone gets the call, they end up on that 4th line. The Habs will promote Prust to the third line and whoever to the second and so on when injuries hit. That's how come Moen, Darche and whoever ended up playing so many minutes on top lines in the past. That's how they do things. Thomas will play on the fourth line, so will De La Rose who may have not shone by his offense during this camp, but he has with his defense, which is more important to this coach than scoring goals. They believe that offence will take care of itself (ya, like last night).
So I see him being offered to every team because they won't want to keep a vet sitting like that. And if that don't work out, they'll waive him in an effort to send him out to some team who may need a 3rd-4th liner, banger, with leadership qualities. I may not think that we can get much for him if anything at all, but I believe some team may want him if not now, a month or so into the season after some rookies fail to impress beyond the first few games of the season. Some GM will call Bergie and tell him to waive him so that he can take him off his hands. The only way he doesn't move is if Bergie has to take a salary in exchange and he isn't prepared to do it.
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Post by PTH on Sept 29, 2014 15:23:07 GMT -5
I think he might get moved if everyone is healthy at the end of camp, you don't want a veteran with a Cup ring sitting on the bench too long, not if he thinks he's good enough for the regular lineup.
That being said, I don't expect us to eat salary or get anything of value for him.
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Post by blny on Sept 29, 2014 16:22:52 GMT -5
I think he might get moved if everyone is healthy at the end of camp, you don't want a veteran with a Cup ring sitting on the bench too long, not if he thinks he's good enough for the regular lineup. That being said, I don't expect us to eat salary or get anything of value for him. I come back to Parros for 2 reasons. One, Berg got him at about a million for one year and it cost a 7th. Moen should be worth a little more than that, even if he's paid 1.85 million. Two, I'd rather a Parros type as my 13th forward. That kind of player doesn't expect to play every day.
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