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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 2, 2014 12:50:42 GMT -5
This includes Greg Pateryn and Davis Drewiski followed by Sven Andrighetto, Jake Dowell and Gabriel Dumont ... Drayson Bowman is also negotiating a new contract ... where's the room for him coming from? ... Bournival? Moen? ... there still has to be room for Sekac, too ... interesting times, no? Cheers. Edit: Darren Dietz must have just moved up on the prospects list ... he had an outstanding season in junior last year ... PSS: I guess contract talks with Bowman didn't go well and he's been released... that was fast ...
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Post by seventeen on Oct 2, 2014 13:56:04 GMT -5
All those make sense. Pateryn just wasn't at his best. A good friend of mine saw the Dogs play last year in Abbotsford and in his opinion, Pateryn played much better than both Tinordi and Beaulieu. Expectations and interest are higher in Nathan and Jared, though, so GP may have thought he was up against it, and just tried to do too much. I think he's going to be traded. He's 24 now and while he's still young, his upside flattens out each additional year. I just think there are other guys with more upside who'll be kept ahead of GP. Dietz is 21 and Thrower is 20. But who knows? Injuries and luck play a big role in some players lives. I think Pateryn is better than his camp showing. Heck, the guy had .5 ppg and was a +4 on a horrible Dogs team. He can't be that bad. Once gain, lack of confidence and pushing it beyond what he should do.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 2, 2014 14:03:01 GMT -5
ERic Engels' latest column on the tough decisions coming up for the Habs: www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?blogger_id=82 Habs' Toughest Decision is Tokarski over Budaj October 2, 2014,
Eric Engels
The results of preseason hockey bare little, if any relevance, but there are elements that are certainly important for an organization.
For instance, it probably shouldn't be taken for granted that Carey Price is in mid-season form coming off a season-ending injury that deprived him of some off-season ice time.
And hey, when a bunch of kids slated for the Hamilton Bulldogs give an impressive Blackhawks lineup a run for their money and end up on the winning side, that's a sign of depth that hasn't been in Montreal's system in quite some time. Sure, there was some luck involved in pulling off that win, and brilliance from Price reinforced it, but the kids deserve credit for hanging in there until the opportunities arose.
And maybe we should take something from Rene Bourque's effort level in a meaningless preseason game, especially when it was elevated above anything he's shown in a regular season game in recent memory.
I can guarantee that Sven Adrighetto and Jacob De La Rose are benefiting from the experience of playing at this level of competition and realizing they aren't far off from playing up here regularly. Last night was a significant improvement for De La Rose, who must have gained some confidence by the end of it.
It was an impressive performance for Nathan Beaulieu, who's affirmed the coaching staff's nod as their consensus sixth defenseman, as opposed to just benefiting from the spotty play of Greg Pateryn and Jarred Tinordi. Beaulieu's job out of camp was to not lose the job, and last night he was full value in his puck movement, his decision making, and his finish for the game's winning goal, securing himself.
I doubt Christian Thomas felt that it was the best game of his life, but he continued to leave an impression on Michel Therrien and co. Thomas registered an assist on Bourque's opener--his fourth point in four games--and has done his part to secure rights to being the team's first call-up from the farm.
The 7th defenseman has yet to be decided, but it's hard to imagine Davis Drewiske not having a beat on the position. The club's better served having Tinordi and Pateryn eat top pairing minutes in Hamilton than riding the press pine up in Montreal. If it's between Drewiske and Bouillon, there's no question Drewiske's proven more reliable, and did a lot to convince the coaching staff of that last night in Chicago. The line on him for the game: 18:51, one shot, two blocks, +3, and he and Beaulieu were the only +Corsi blueliners for Montreal.
Michel Therrien said some hard decisions are en route, and he's right. The players at this camp have forced him into some very hard decisions, and with two games remaining, starting with Friday night's tilt in Ottawa, the team is going to ice it's regular season roster to attain the cohesion they need leading up to October 8th.
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Speaking of hard decisions, there's no doubt the Canadiens have made one regarding their goaltending, but unfortunately, we don't know which of three ways this is going.
1. The Habs will send Dustin Tokarski down, and risk exposing him to waivers because they don't believe the goaltending market is existent.
2. The Habs are scared to send Tokarski down because they believe they'll lose him on waivers, thus losing what they believe could be a valuable trade asset down the line, or a valuable replacement for Price should the injury bug strike.
This would mean trading or waiving Peter Budaj.
3. They're going to carry three goaltenders until the trade market is ripe to move one of them, thus forcing them to either only go with six defensemen (unlikely), or only 13 forwards (bad news for Travis Moen and Michael Bournival).
This is probably the toughest nut the Habs have to crack between now and opening day. My opinion: They made this call when they passed over Budaj in last year's playoffs. Tokarski is the guy they trust, should something happen to Price. And it's painful for them to move on from Budaj, who's cultivated such a strong relationship with Price, who's bled for the cause in more way than one, proving to be the ultimate teammate--even after he was passed over. Imagine they can't find a trade for him. Imagine they have to tell him they're waiving him and he could end up in the minors. Business can be cold and emotionless, but don't kid yourself that they wouldn't feel bad about being forced to move in that direction. Marc Bergevin isn't so far removed from being a player that he's without empathy. Every organization has to make tough calls like this, and I can promise you they aren't easily swallowed by the people who make them. If you want to debate this, think back to Bergevin's face when he walked out of that arbitration session with P.K. Subban.
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Post by blny on Oct 2, 2014 15:07:03 GMT -5
Drewiske might be the first call up, but I don't think he's #7. I'd rather him than Cube though.
Unfortunate with Bowman. I really thought he had a strong camp. All I can figure is that the club offered a 2 way deal and he balked.
The goaltending situation won't be easy to sort. Brodeur is finding it hard to get much interest, but I think there would be more interest in a cheaper, younger, guy like like Tokarski. Anyone looking for a strong backup with playoff experience who would come in and not rock the boat, he's your guy.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 2, 2014 15:21:41 GMT -5
Goalies are like Rodney Dangerfield....no respect, and I can't ever understand why. They're your most important player and just because they don't sell tickets is no reason to undervalue them.
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Post by Polarice on Oct 2, 2014 17:25:22 GMT -5
This includes Greg Pateryn and Davis Drewiski followed by Sven Andrighetto, Jake Dowell and Gabriel Dumont ... Drayson Bowman is also negotiating a new contract ... where's the room for him coming from? ... Bournival? Moen? ... there still has to be room for Sekac, too ... interesting times, no? Cheers. Edit: Darren Dietz must have just moved up on the prospects list ... he had an outstanding season in junior last year ... PSS: I guess contract talks with Bowman didn't go well and he's been released... that was fast ... The signed him to a 1 year I guess! www.allaboutthehabs.ca/canadiens-ink-drayson-bowman/
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 2, 2014 17:31:20 GMT -5
This includes Greg Pateryn and Davis Drewiski followed by Sven Andrighetto, Jake Dowell and Gabriel Dumont ... Drayson Bowman is also negotiating a new contract ... where's the room for him coming from? ... Bournival? Moen? ... there still has to be room for Sekac, too ... interesting times, no? Cheers. Edit: Darren Dietz must have just moved up on the prospects list ... he had an outstanding season in junior last year ... PSS: I guess contract talks with Bowman didn't go well and he's been released... that was fast ... The signed him to a 1 year I guess! www.allaboutthehabs.ca/canadiens-ink-drayson-bowman/Well, you beat me to it, Reap ... I near gagged on my G2 when I read it a few minutes ago ... I think it shows me that twitter can be bogus on a lot of stuff ... whatever ... he'll do well in Montreal ... Bergevin has an proven NHLer in the lineup for one year and it buys a year's development time for some of the younger players ... Cheers.
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Post by habsask on Oct 2, 2014 17:58:12 GMT -5
Edit: Darren Dietz must have just moved up on the prospects list ... he had an outstanding season in junior last year ... Apparently Dietz played in Hamilton last season: 34 games / 0 Goals / 5 Assists / -3 +- / 49 PIM 6'1", 204 lbs, shoots Right In the previous year with Saskatoon: 72 games / 24 Goals / 34 Assists / +9 / 100 PIM so you're spot on as to his junior performance Dis. Curious as to why he didn't play more games for Hamilton - must have got hurt - anybody know details? At forward there's been speculation that Moen is on the bubble. Cheers
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Post by Polarice on Oct 2, 2014 18:01:31 GMT -5
Well, you beat me to it, Reap ... I near gagged on my G2 when I read it a few minutes ago ... I think it shows me that twitter can be bogus on a lot of stuff ... whatever ... he'll do well in Montreal ... Bergevin has an proven NHLer in the lineup for one year and it buys a year's development time for some of the younger players ... Cheers. HAHA....I seen the article where he was released as well.....could have been a bargaining tool.
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Post by blny on Oct 2, 2014 18:14:07 GMT -5
According to capgeek, Bowman's deal is two-way. $150k AHL, and $575k NHL.
Per Lebrun: Habs sign Drayson Bowman 1 yr, 575k NHL / 150 k AHL but guaranteed to earn min 200k; also likely to go on waivers next few days
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 2, 2014 22:35:34 GMT -5
Goalie decision is easy: Tokarski is an asset while Budaj is not. Moreover we know Budaj can not be a starter for anymore than a few games and Toker can carry the load. Don't feel bad for Budaj. Like the guy but if he's any good someone will pick him up. If he's not then he's in the minors. Welcome to life Peter.
I agree Beaulieu is the better d and has shown well. But somehow I don't think we can be a true contender without more toughness/meaness on D. Perhaps Jarred is not the answer but he's the closest we have in the organization. Booboo and Drewiski are not the answer either.
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 3, 2014 6:59:29 GMT -5
I think in Bowman's case he was on a Try-Out contract, meaning his deal lasted until the end of training camp. Since they wanted to sign him before training camp was actually finished (like yesterday and not next week) they had to first release him from his Try-Out contract, and then sign him to his new deal. That would be my guess anyway.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 3, 2014 14:52:33 GMT -5
Edit: Darren Dietz must have just moved up on the prospects list ... he had an outstanding season in junior last year ... Apparently Dietz played in Hamilton last season: 34 games / 0 Goals / 5 Assists / -3 +- / 49 PIM 6'1", 204 lbs, shoots Right In the previous year with Saskatoon: 72 games / 24 Goals / 34 Assists / +9 / 100 PIM so you're spot on as to his junior performance Dis. Curious as to why he didn't play more games for Hamilton - must have got hurt - anybody know details? At forward there's been speculation that Moen is on the bubble. Cheers Dietz struggled with injuries last season.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 3, 2014 15:27:03 GMT -5
Dumont and Drewiske cleared waivers.
Bowman now on waivers.
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Post by habsask on Oct 3, 2014 16:21:29 GMT -5
Apparently Dietz played in Hamilton last season: 34 games / 0 Goals / 5 Assists / -3 +- / 49 PIM 6'1", 204 lbs, shoots Right In the previous year with Saskatoon: 72 games / 24 Goals / 34 Assists / +9 / 100 PIM so you're spot on as to his junior performance Dis. Curious as to why he didn't play more games for Hamilton - must have got hurt - anybody know details? At forward there's been speculation that Moen is on the bubble. Cheers Dietz struggled with injuries last season. Thanks
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 4, 2014 22:50:20 GMT -5
Dietz and Thomas sent down, but they had good camps sticking this far.
Only a couple of cuts left. Two goalies or three? Will Tinner stay or will they sign that old, short guy? What about DLR? Will Parenteau be good to go on Wednesday?
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Post by seventeen on Oct 4, 2014 23:49:30 GMT -5
Only a couple of cuts left. Two goalies or three? Will Tinner stay or will they sign that old, short guy? What about DLR? Will Parenteau be good to go on Wednesday? More problems created by Bouillon. If he's out of the picture, some of these decisions become easier. Remind me again, we're considering signing him because? Oh yes, he's short, old, slowing, still coughs up the puck, but he's a local boy made good.
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