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Post by habsorbed on Nov 2, 2014 18:14:32 GMT -5
I can't believe the MT-hate on this board. We're at the top of the standings, kids like Markov (12 years ago), Tokarski, Subban, Galchenyuk and Gallagher have progressed incredibly well with MT as coach, so it's not like he's a veterans-only kind of coach, and people still find fault in anything he does. If Eller seems to be getting singled-out, it's because he's not playing the way he needs to, if Bourque is still in the lineup, it's because the kids who could take his place aren't that great, and Bourque hasn't been that bad. And if we had Hartley as coach, we'd be a goonish team, with even less hope for finesse players to make it, because that's the hockey that Hartley likes, and has liked everywhere he's coached. If we've got a 2 goal lead with a minute to go, just watch Hartley send out the big bruisers to try and intimidate our team, it's all he knows how to do. I never knew that about Hartley's teams, to be honest ... that said, he does work for a guy who likes describing his teams as "truculent" ... whether coming out of Burke's mouth, or the media continually reminding us he said it, I've heard the word so many times that I can't hear it without thinking of him ... having said that, his club could beat up a lot of other teams but they couldn't score any goals ... I'm surprised Hartley has the Flames playing as well as they are ... 5th in their division but only four points out first and seven points out of last ... it's still early in the season but the Flames are better than they were last year, at least to this point ... Therrien? ... I don't understand his methodology, but his team has been winning a lot of one-goal games ... I don't know if that's by design or if we're just plain lucky ... as for the game, Calgary is capable of taking us out at home ... would like to see the Habs dictate the game right off the bat ... Cheers. Don't think Hartley has the flames playing well. Hillier has the flames playing well. So there are somethings in common between Hartley and MT!
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Post by seventeen on Nov 2, 2014 18:21:51 GMT -5
I'd sure like to know why Hartley is disliked so much even by a lot of management people on the NHL. BTW, Burke didn't hire Hatley and I heard one analyst suggest that if the Flames weren't do so well Hartley would not last long. I have no idea what Hartlfy is like as a person but his team's seem to win or overachieve. I hate that in a coach. (Yes, that was facetious). His coaching record is a mixed bag with the bad years usually in charge of a team with poor talent. Heck he even had good results with Florida. He's not liked, though so there's probably a reason somewhere.
My main dislike of Therrien is that I don't understand the reasons for his moves. Along with that , I don't think he always gives his team their best chance to win. I would have dressed Sekac and Bournival long ago and sat Bourque long ago. Also remember when you rate a coach you have to handicap him based on his goaltender. The better the goalie the better a coach has to be to get good marks from me.
As far as our record goes, I count one good 60 minute game we've played this year against the Rangers in the 3-1 win. Any disputes on that? The rest of the time individual efforts or great goaltending has won for us. That makes me nervous about the coaching. Given our depth and talent are we over achieving? I think we've been really poor for long stretches. That is not to me, a comfortable situation. If we have a stretch of 10 games where we're good in all facets and we lose 5 of the games I'll understand and not criticize him. That happens and it's not a concern. To extrapolate the single item I've questioned Bergevin about is his coaching choices. Everything else Ive agreed with. There was cryicism of Bergevin at times in the last 2 years but rarely from me. Because I liked what he did from a management standpoint. Basically I think we can be better than we're showing.
I bookmarked a site by Phil Boucher ( I think it's Phil) who is a stats nut. He uses player positive outcomes vs negative outcomes, not just Corsi and he had a rebuttal yesterday to Eller' perceived bad play and points out Bourque is 3rd worst on the team, so Eller is handicapped playing with that guy. Most of Eller's stats were acceptable and better than last year. It will be really interesting to see how Galchy and gally affect Bourque's production. Remember, though, Blair McDonald scored 40 goals one year playing RW with Gretzky.
Please excuse the spelling snd grammar. Typing on an iPhone is an adventure.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 2, 2014 18:43:43 GMT -5
I never knew that about Hartley's teams, to be honest ... that said, he does work for a guy who likes describing his teams as "truculent" ... whether coming out of Burke's mouth, or the media continually reminding us he said it, I've heard the word so many times that I can't hear it without thinking of him ... having said that, his club could beat up a lot of other teams but they couldn't score any goals ... I'm surprised Hartley has the Flames playing as well as they are ... 5th in their division but only four points out first and seven points out of last ... it's still early in the season but the Flames are better than they were last year, at least to this point ... Therrien? ... I don't understand his methodology, but his team has been winning a lot of one-goal games ... I don't know if that's by design or if we're just plain lucky ... as for the game, Calgary is capable of taking us out at home ... would like to see the Habs dictate the game right off the bat ... Cheers. Don't think Hartley has the flames playing well. Hillier has the flames playing well. So there are somethings in common between Hartley and MT! The same can be said of Price ... Cheers.
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Post by del on Nov 2, 2014 18:45:49 GMT -5
My main dislike of Therrien is that I don't understand the reasons for his moves. Along with that , I don't think he always gives his team their best chance to win. I would have dressed Sekac and Bournival long ago and sat Bourque long ago. Also remember when you rate a coach you have to handicap him based on his goaltender. The better the goalie the better a coach has to be to get good marks from me. As far as our record goes, I count one good 60 minute game we've played this year against the Rangers in the 3-1 win. Any disputes on that? The rest of the time individual efforts or great goaltending has won for us. That makes me nervous about the coaching. Given our depth and talent are we over achieving? I like to think of Therrien as the Mr. Bean of hockey coaches. Stumbles and bumbles his mismanagement ways through the season without a clue as to what he is doing (albeit with good intentions) and in the end rescued by his team, that despite of him, rises to the occasion and succeeds. All of this going on while he remains oblivious as to the dumb luck reasons for his success......in other words ..... it just all worked out in the end, so I must be doing something right mentality....... hmmmmmm!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 2, 2014 18:57:41 GMT -5
My main dislike of Therrien is that I don't understand the reasons for his moves. Along with that , I don't think he always gives his team their best chance to win. I would have dressed Sekac and Bournival long ago and sat Bourque long ago. Also remember when you rate a coach you have to handicap him based on his goaltender. The better the goalie the better a coach has to be to get good marks from me. This sums it up for me, ref Therrien ... I'd add that he's hard to figure out ... the thing is, I just plain don't like the guy ... don't get me wrong, he's one of the few coaches out there that understands the media responsibilities by playing in Montreal ... he can handle that pressure ... I'm a pretty easy-going kinda person but guys like Therrien just rub me the wrong way ... that's a personality thing I guess, not a professional thing ... Bergevin is happy so long as the team is winning and that's the bottom line for him ... I'd love to see Bournival and Sekac in the lineup ... I think either one of them would contribute more than Bourque, but I don't have a crystal ball to confirm it ... just a hunch ... Good one ... Cheers.
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Post by Bones on Nov 2, 2014 19:02:26 GMT -5
I like to think of Therrien as the Mr. Bean of hockey coaches. Stumbles and bumbles his mismanagement ways through the season without a clue as to what he is doing (albeit with good intentions) and in the end rescued by his team, that despite of him, rises to the occasion and succeeds. All of this going on while he remains oblivious as to the dumb luck reasons for his success......in other words ..... it just all worked out in the end, so I must be doing something right mentality....... hmmmmmm! Yeah you're right, he's Forrest Gump, the win/loss totals or the positive results on and off the ice have nothing to do with him, we might as well just dismiss the facts or the evidence that points to the contrary. I mean any monkey can do this job, heck we should have just kept Randy Cunneyworth.
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Post by Bones on Nov 2, 2014 19:18:52 GMT -5
1-0 Flames, habs behind the 8 ball quickly again. Sigh.
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Post by Bones on Nov 2, 2014 19:29:53 GMT -5
Gotta give the flames credit they work hard and are very quick. The boys will know they're gonna have to earn it tonight.
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Post by jkr on Nov 2, 2014 19:31:13 GMT -5
1-0 Flames, habs behind the 8 ball quickly again. Sigh. soft coverage by Subban on the goal. Beaulieu looks very shaky. Two giveaways so far
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Post by jkr on Nov 2, 2014 19:35:44 GMT -5
what exactly did Bourque do there
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 2, 2014 19:35:56 GMT -5
Two guys that should not be playing have taken penalties.
Wake up MT, get the young guns in.
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Post by Bones on Nov 2, 2014 19:36:09 GMT -5
OK these refs are really getting on my nerves, not saying Bourque didn't deserve the call, but how we don't get the calls is beyond me. How are we the most penalized team in the league? While we can't seem to get any calls that are against us?
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Post by jkr on Nov 2, 2014 19:40:13 GMT -5
going back to last game Flames now 0 for 9 on the PP against the Habs.
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Post by HFTO on Nov 2, 2014 19:40:58 GMT -5
frustrating start again!....goal scoring looks to be a major problem no contributions 3 or 4th lines 1st/2nd nor the back end lighting it up
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Post by Bones on Nov 2, 2014 19:44:48 GMT -5
Ugh, just outworked, outhustled and outclassed in this period. Brutal effort. 2-0 What are the shots like 20-5 ? edit 19-4 apparently. Just plain ugly.
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Post by HFTO on Nov 2, 2014 19:44:48 GMT -5
Oh boy
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 2, 2014 19:44:52 GMT -5
Not too many teams will outwork Calgary. The Habs aren't even coming close.
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Post by jkr on Nov 2, 2014 19:45:36 GMT -5
Subban now a -2. I have found him very ordinary this season
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Post by jkr on Nov 2, 2014 19:47:09 GMT -5
frustrating start again!....goal scoring looks to be a major problem no contributions 3 or 4th lines 1st/2nd nor the back end lighting it up no contributions from anybody in that period. Pathetic effort. Shots 19-4.
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Post by Disp on Nov 2, 2014 19:49:22 GMT -5
Brutal, which team is first overall?
Hardly had the puck.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 2, 2014 19:51:28 GMT -5
Hmm ... 19-4 SOG for Calgary ... rope-a-dope is not a strategy ... the Flames look to be a step faster right now ...
Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 19:51:55 GMT -5
Looks like they're in a slump from what I've been reading. Curious to see how they'll get out of it.
12 games in, only scored the first goal twice.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 2, 2014 19:52:44 GMT -5
There is something wrong and MB needs to find out what it is.
I'm sure the coaching staff are pulling their hair out trying to understand the brutal starts.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 2, 2014 20:03:45 GMT -5
Most of our first periods this year have left much to be desired.
You'd think the boys would be tired of always having to come back.
The 10th time in 12 games it's happened.
Our "luck" is going to run out.
There's no offensive flow, our PP sucks, and Subban has been pretty much neutralized of late.
We're right back to needing fantastic goaltending to survive. And Price can't steal all the points.
Some guys just aren't giving it their all. Too bad.
I like DD, I really do…but not as a #1 centre. He's simply too small. Many plays die with him getting knocked down, fought off the puck.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 2, 2014 20:07:16 GMT -5
Hughson and Simpson with the Flames love in. Sad part is they deserve it.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 2, 2014 20:14:15 GMT -5
Galchy with 4 minutes in the first. Only Prust, Parenteau and Moen with less.
Btw I'm out of town with only my phone so can't comment on the game except for stats like above. I find that (his minutes) a little troubling, no? Was he hurt?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 2, 2014 20:17:27 GMT -5
Best stretch for the Habs, and drew a penalty.
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Post by Bones on Nov 2, 2014 20:17:39 GMT -5
Galchy with 4 minutes in the first. Only Prust, Parenteau and Moen with less. Btw I'm out of town with only my phone so can't comment on the game except for stats like above. I find that (his minutes) a little troubling, no? Was he hurt? Well he was hurt (Galchenyuk) to start the period so that did effect his ice time, to be fair.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 2, 2014 20:18:37 GMT -5
Galchy with 4 minutes in the first. Only Prust, Parenteau and Moen with less. Btw I'm out of town with only my phone so can't comment on the game except for stats like above. I find that (his minutes) a little troubling, no? Was he hurt? Nope. Just good bench mgmt by MT.
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Post by Bones on Nov 2, 2014 20:19:20 GMT -5
Galchy with 4 minutes in the first. Only Prust, Parenteau and Moen with less. Btw I'm out of town with only my phone so can't comment on the game except for stats like above. I find that (his minutes) a little troubling, no? Was he hurt? Nope. Just good bench mgmt by MT. Yes he was.
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