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Post by seventeen on Nov 6, 2014 11:36:27 GMT -5
I really think Sekac won't be dressed much longer. Maybe next game, or the game after that, but the first chance Therrien has to send him to the press box, I believe he'll do it. He just has Sekac pegged into that compartment I think that Sekac has his bags packed and he's ready to fly back home . . . why stick around if you aren't going to play? wonder if he regrets signing with the Habs. a dozen teams to chose from, he takes the one with history, and sits. he goes anywhere else and he plays. can you imagine our angst if he'd signed with the Leafs, where he'd be an every day player? maybe, just maybe a tad strong [maybe] I no longer call him a coach. he's a bench manager. and yet . . . somehow . . . 9-4-1. magician. smoke and mirrors. whatever, as long as he keeps this up he's here. heck, I thought that without the contract extension he'd be gone by the end of this month. I'da been wrong. True, he's not insane. Arrogant, perhaps, stubborn, certainly, effective? We've won nothing yet.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 6, 2014 11:39:48 GMT -5
Saw some media tweets, Sekac wont be suspended. Over to you MT, he deserves to play.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 6, 2014 11:51:54 GMT -5
Shortening his bench? I have to disagree with you. Equally as important as scoring is not giving up a goal. I saw Tinordi make one mistake in the game, in he 2nd when he tried a difficult clearing pass, turned it over and then had to redeem himself with a good defensive play. I also saw him sweep the puck away on a play where Buffalo turned a 3 on 3 into a 4 on 3 because the forechecking forwards didn't come back hard enough (remind you of any other plays in this recent stretch?). I also saw, in the third, in one of those shifts Beaulieu played, that he lost the puck in the Habs zone and Buffalo got a chance to score. FRankly, in a tight game, unless we're behind, I sit Beaulieu and play Tinordi. He's no where neaer as 'exciting', but he's much safer and the outcome is likely to be better. No wonder I question Therrien's judgment. He just has his favourites and takes that route every time. I'm curious to see how he deals with the Bournival injury. Who will play, Moen, Bourque or both? Will Sekac stay in the line-up and for how long? I really think Sekac won't be dressed much longer. Maybe next game, or the game after that, but the first chance Therrien has to send him to the press box, I believe he'll do it. He just has Sekac pegged into that compartment No one in their right mind would continue to support Black Hole Bork, except the guy who's done it for two years in a row...our leader MT. As you can tell, his moves really bug me. And I'm going to have to disagree right back at you on this one. Maybe against a better team you worry about giving up the goal, but in my opinion doing so against the Sabres would be playing not to lose, and not to win. The Sabres came into the game with 16 goals in 13 games. They're terrible offensively. Terrible. You don't *need* a purely defensive player out there, not when you're desperate for a win. It would be akin to double shifting Malhotra, Weise and Prust if you ask me, something we've often criticized Therrien of doing. It's not saying that Tinordi played bad, it's saying that Tinordi is just not an offensive player. I have no issues with it. I think Therrien went for the win, and he tried to get his best offensive players out there as much as he could. Like I said, I like Tinordi, I think he's going to be a fine NHL defenseman, but he's not the guy you want out there when you're trying to score a goal.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 6, 2014 12:14:30 GMT -5
Shortening his bench? I have to disagree with you. Equally as important as scoring is not giving up a goal. I saw Tinordi make one mistake in the game, in he 2nd when he tried a difficult clearing pass, turned it over and then had to redeem himself with a good defensive play. I also saw him sweep the puck away on a play where Buffalo turned a 3 on 3 into a 4 on 3 because the forechecking forwards didn't come back hard enough (remind you of any other plays in this recent stretch?). I also saw, in the third, in one of those shifts Beaulieu played, that he lost the puck in the Habs zone and Buffalo got a chance to score. FRankly, in a tight game, unless we're behind, I sit Beaulieu and play Tinordi. He's no where neaer as 'exciting', but he's much safer and the outcome is likely to be better. No wonder I question Therrien's judgment. He just has his favourites and takes that route every time. I'm curious to see how he deals with the Bournival injury. Who will play, Moen, Bourque or both? Will Sekac stay in the line-up and for how long? I really think Sekac won't be dressed much longer. Maybe next game, or the game after that, but the first chance Therrien has to send him to the press box, I believe he'll do it. He just has Sekac pegged into that compartment No one in their right mind would continue to support Black Hole Bork, except the guy who's done it for two years in a row...our leader MT. As you can tell, his moves really bug me. And I'm going to have to disagree right back at you on this one. Maybe against a better team you worry about giving up the goal, but in my opinion doing so against the Sabres would be playing not to lose, and not to win. The Sabres came into the game with 16 goals in 13 games. They're terrible offensively. Terrible. You don't *need* a purely defensive player out there, not when you're desperate for a win. It would be akin to double shifting Malhotra, Weise and Prust if you ask me, something we've often criticized Therrien of doing. It's not saying that Tinordi played bad, it's saying that Tinordi is just not an offensive player. I have no issues with it. I think Therrien went for the win, and he tried to get his best offensive players out there as much as he could. Like I said, I like Tinordi, I think he's going to be a fine NHL defenseman, but he's not the guy you want out there when you're trying to score a goal. Hey, who was it who joined DD and Patches to make it a 3 on 2 recently? Yes, he nailed he crest on the goalie, but at least he was there. We keep thinking of Tinordi as one dimensional, but he isn't. Tinner has 2 points, Nathan none so far this year. So there. Your turn.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 6, 2014 12:31:30 GMT -5
sometimes you win ugly. sometimes you win lucky. sometimes you don't deserve to win but you do. bottom line: 2 points is 2 points. take it, bank it, and look to the next 2 available points. And what of Lazarus ... what of Lazarus ... and sometimes you just win and prepare for the next game ... Minnesota has good team defence and good goaltending ... don't want Vanek to come out of his slump anytime soon, either ... doesn't get any easier after that ... the Jets are flying on all cylinders right now ... tough games coming and we'll need all hands on deck for them ... Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 6, 2014 12:33:13 GMT -5
MB needs to get involved. Sekac is an MB signing and MB needs to tell MT to play Sekac.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 6, 2014 12:37:11 GMT -5
Shortening his bench? I have to disagree with you. Equally as important as scoring is not giving up a goal. I saw Tinordi make one mistake in the game, in he 2nd when he tried a difficult clearing pass, turned it over and then had to redeem himself with a good defensive play. I also saw him sweep the puck away on a play where Buffalo turned a 3 on 3 into a 4 on 3 because the forechecking forwards didn't come back hard enough (remind you of any other plays in this recent stretch?). I also saw, in the third, in one of those shifts Beaulieu played, that he lost the puck in the Habs zone and Buffalo got a chance to score. FRankly, in a tight game, unless we're behind, I sit Beaulieu and play Tinordi. He's no where neaer as 'exciting', but he's much safer and the outcome is likely to be better. No wonder I question Therrien's judgment. He just has his favourites and takes that route every time. I'm curious to see how he deals with the Bournival injury. Who will play, Moen, Bourque or both? Will Sekac stay in the line-up and for how long? I really think Sekac won't be dressed much longer. Maybe next game, or the game after that, but the first chance Therrien has to send him to the press box, I believe he'll do it. He just has Sekac pegged into that compartment No one in their right mind would continue to support Black Hole Bork, except the guy who's done it for two years in a row...our leader MT. As you can tell, his moves really bug me. And I'm going to have to disagree right back at you on this one. Maybe against a better team you worry about giving up the goal, but in my opinion doing so against the Sabres would be playing not to lose, and not to win. The Sabres came into the game with 16 goals in 13 games. They're terrible offensively. Terrible. You don't *need* a purely defensive player out there, not when you're desperate for a win. It would be akin to double shifting Malhotra, Weise and Prust if you ask me, something we've often criticized Therrien of doing. It's not saying that Tinordi played bad, it's saying that Tinordi is just not an offensive player. I have no issues with it. I think Therrien went for the win, and he tried to get his best offensive players out there as much as he could. Like I said, I like Tinordi, I think he's going to be a fine NHL defenseman, but he's not the guy you want out there when you're trying to score a goal. I didn't see Sekac get a shift in OT. If Therrien wanted to win and he tried to get his best offensive [players out there, he would have put Sekac out there in OT, in 4 or 4 he would have had some great chances imo. If MT didn't trust him, he could have put Pleky with him. Now, I truly believe MT wants to win every game, the problem is he lets his bias towards veterans override the desire to win. I don't even think he knows it's happening. In his mind he cannot trust young players and that is all there is to it. That is a big problem for this team because as everyone on this board and every other habs board out there can see, the habs have some very good young talent who should be playing but are not. These young guys will be needed as the season progresses and we go into the playoffs, will MT give them the opportunity to grow? Who knows.
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Post by Polarice on Nov 6, 2014 12:52:07 GMT -5
I'l like to see what Sekac can do with Gallagher and Galchenyuk. That line would be crazy fast.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 6, 2014 12:59:38 GMT -5
I'l like to see what Sekac can do with Gallagher and Galchenyuk. That line would be crazy fast. It doesn't matter. If you put those three guys together and they score 7 goals in one game, the next game, MThead will separate them to "spread the scoring". What happened last year when The Gals and Eller? They started on fire and MThead split them up several games later. Put LGal on the DD-Patches line to "get them going".
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 6, 2014 13:00:43 GMT -5
I'l like to see what Sekac can do with Gallagher and Galchenyuk. That line would be crazy fast. Galchy-Pleky-Sekac would be really interesting as well. So a line up of Patches-DD-PAPPY Galchy-Pleky-Sekac Weise-Eller-Gally Moen-Malholtra-Prust Would be good for me.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 6, 2014 13:02:13 GMT -5
I'l like to see what Sekac can do with Gallagher and Galchenyuk. That line would be crazy fast. It doesn't matter. If you put those three guys together and they score 7 goals in one game, the next game, MThead will separate them to "spread the scoring". What happened last year when The Gals and Eller? They started on fire and MThead split them up several games later. Put LGal on the DD-Patches line to "get them going". On TSN690, a number of the "insiders" they have on have stated that in no way would they break up a successful line to get another going. It makes absolutely no sense except in MTs empty head.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 6, 2014 13:03:11 GMT -5
I didn't see Sekac get a shift in OT. If Therrien wanted to win and he tried to get his best offensive [players out there, he would have put Sekac out there in OT, in 4 or 4 he would have had some great chances imo. If MT didn't trust him, he could have put Pleky with him. Now, I truly believe MT wants to win every game, the problem is he lets his bias towards veterans override the desire to win. I don't even think he knows it's happening. In his mind he cannot trust young players and that is all there is to it. That is a big problem for this team because as everyone on this board and every other habs board out there can see, the habs have some very good young talent who should be playing but are not. These young guys will be needed as the season progresses and we go into the playoffs, will MT give them the opportunity to grow? Who knows. No offense, but I think you're quibbling here. nullisecund.us/nhl/toi.php?id=20184That's the shift chart for last night's game. The OT went like this: Desharnais - Pacioretty Malhotra (9 seconds, for the face-off) - Plekanec - Galchenyuk Malhotra - Galchenyuk (I'm guessing this was a defensive zone face-off) Plekanec - Gallagher Desharnais - Pacioretty Malhotra - Sekac (9 and 5 seconds respectively) Parenteau - Galchenyuk Plekanec - Gallagher I don't know guys. I get that Sekac played a good game, but again it's not like he had Weise and Prust out there. He played his top 6 forwards about a minute and a half each. Who would you have sat to play Sekac more?
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 6, 2014 13:12:57 GMT -5
I didn't see Sekac get a shift in OT. If Therrien wanted to win and he tried to get his best offensive [players out there, he would have put Sekac out there in OT, in 4 or 4 he would have had some great chances imo. If MT didn't trust him, he could have put Pleky with him. Now, I truly believe MT wants to win every game, the problem is he lets his bias towards veterans override the desire to win. I don't even think he knows it's happening. In his mind he cannot trust young players and that is all there is to it. That is a big problem for this team because as everyone on this board and every other habs board out there can see, the habs have some very good young talent who should be playing but are not. These young guys will be needed as the season progresses and we go into the playoffs, will MT give them the opportunity to grow? Who knows. No offense, but I think you're quibbling here. nullisecund.us/nhl/toi.php?id=20184That's the shift chart for last night's game. The OT went like this: Desharnais - Pacioretty Malhotra (9 seconds, for the face-off) - Plekanec - Galchenyuk Malhotra - Galchenyuk (I'm guessing this was a defensive zone face-off) Plekanec - Gallagher Desharnais - Pacioretty Malhotra - Sekac (9 and 5 seconds respectively) Parenteau - Galchenyuk Plekanec - Gallagher I don't know guys. I get that Sekac played a good game, but again it's not like he had Weise and Prust out there. He played his top 6 forwards about a minute and a half each. Who would you have sat to play Sekac more? I'm not sure who to sit but he should have had more than 5 seconds in OT. I mean why bother, just leave him on the bench. It just would have been nice to see what he could do on a 4 on 4.
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Post by franko on Nov 6, 2014 13:17:29 GMT -5
Patches-DD-PAPPY Galchy-Pleky-Sekac Weise-Eller-Gally Moen-Malholtra-Prust in what alternate universe do you live? the gods have ordained that Bourque MUST play -- a one game wake-up call is all he will get. now if Sekac had scored, two games. max.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 6, 2014 13:33:39 GMT -5
You two put more energy in writing then the entire team put to win against a bottom feeder.
Mehhh......
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 6, 2014 14:36:08 GMT -5
I thought Sekac played well last night ... he didn't score but he contributed more than Bourque did when he was playing ... will be interesting to see how ling Sekac sticks around on the ice and whether a benching lights a temporary fire under Bourque's butt ...
Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 6, 2014 15:03:19 GMT -5
You two put more energy in writing then the entire team put to win against a bottom feeder. Mehhh...... At least someone's giving it 110%.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 6, 2014 17:27:34 GMT -5
You two put more energy in writing then the entire team put to win against a bottom feeder. Mehhh...... At least someone's giving it 110%. I'll settle for 90%. These days, I'm getting a bit lazy.....err....very lazy and I'm not watching who is doing what. All I asse ifs the general fabric of the game. I see one little scamper around and get opushed off, I'm not sure who he is, but I'll call him DD, I see some big guys lose their checks....I'm not sure who they are but I'll call him Patches, I see some guys with 7 something on their sweater reaching deep into AHL decision making territory..... Like I said, I'm not watching closely, because if I was.....I say the fabric has a few tears and a lot of wrinkles.....and a stuck pp zipper.....
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Post by seventeen on Nov 6, 2014 20:55:22 GMT -5
I think a huge problem is that each left winger on our team has a number that ends in 7. It makes it really hard to cheer for the right guy and boo the right guy. Often all you see is one side of their jersey and you think...who is that masked man? At least the coach wears these wild outfits that make it really easy to identify him. He might want to dress somewhat less splashier, if the team continues playing at this level.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 6, 2014 23:08:36 GMT -5
Not worth a new thread, but I just saw a TSN graphic of Top 10 NHL coaches' salaries.
I wasn't sure if it was common knowledge.
Quenneville leads at $2.75 million. I forget who had 2.5 and 2.25....
But Therrien is tied with several at $2 million. Babcock's at $2 million as well.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 7, 2014 1:27:07 GMT -5
Geeze, talk about overpriced.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 7, 2014 2:23:36 GMT -5
Babcock for $3 million next year and we got ourselves a Cup! Eat MT's salary in a New York minute!
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Post by franko on Nov 7, 2014 6:55:44 GMT -5
Babcock for $3 million next year and we got ourselves a Cup! Eat MT's salary in a New York minute! don't you know anything? Babcock is going to the Leafs. in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't already signed with them and just hasn't told anyone. in fact, he probably paid them so he be coach there. every coach's dream, dontcha know. however, if that hasn't yet happened, I'm with you in a heartbeat.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 7, 2014 11:15:42 GMT -5
Babcock for $3 million next year and we got ourselves a Cup! Eat MT's salary in a New York minute! don't you know anything? Babcock is going to the Leafs. in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't already signed with them and just hasn't told anyone. in fact, he probably paid them so he be coach there. every coach's dream, dontcha know. however, if that hasn't yet happened, I'm with you in a heartbeat. Ok, then Babcock to the Leafs for $3 million next year. Eat Mt's salary in a New York minute and we got ourselves a Cup!
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 7, 2014 13:45:00 GMT -5
I think Babcock is realizing the job in Detroit isn't quite as easy without Lidstrom and with an aging, if not banged up, Datsyuk and Zetterberg. He'd make a difference wherever he goes, but ya gotta have talent to work with.
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Post by blny on Nov 7, 2014 14:00:22 GMT -5
Babcock's contract talks with Detroit are very contentious at the moment. He wants $4 million plus, which would pay him more than Ken Holland.
Re Sekac, he's in the lineup vs the Wild.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 7, 2014 14:06:44 GMT -5
Switching gears slightly here...in today's Rapid Fire, MT indicated that Sekac will be in the lineup tomorrow night. Any other changes (and one is likely due to Bournival's shoulder injury) will be announced later.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 7, 2014 14:13:57 GMT -5
Re Sekac, he's in the lineup vs the Wild. Excellent news.
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Post by Polarice on Nov 7, 2014 15:41:02 GMT -5
IMHO Babcock is overrated.
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Post by blny on Nov 7, 2014 18:03:45 GMT -5
IMHO Babcock is overrated. I'm Switzerland when it comes to him. I will say this, I think he's getting as much as anyone could out of an old and somewhat underwhelming Wings roster. I think he's a better coach than Holland is a GM. The Wings haven't drafted well in years (we'll see with Mantha), and it's not the UFA destination it used to be.
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