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Post by Lord Bebop on Nov 9, 2014 17:42:04 GMT -5
@renlavoietva: Rene Bourque was place on waivers earlier today by the Canadiens. #tvasports
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Post by Lord Bebop on Nov 9, 2014 17:48:42 GMT -5
Sekac took his spot with last nights effort..... What now for Rene??? Don't think hamilton Bulldogs...... According to hf boards fans: it's a matter of time before hes claimed Which I'd best for both parties
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Post by Lord Bebop on Nov 9, 2014 17:56:31 GMT -5
@renlavoietva: If Rene Bourque is not claim by noon tomorrow, he'll be send down to Hamilton. #canadiens #tvasports
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Post by blny on Nov 9, 2014 17:57:27 GMT -5
If Bourque goes to Hamilton, according to capgeek our cap space goes from $4.2 million to $5.5 million. I seriously doubt he gets claimed.
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Post by stoat on Nov 9, 2014 18:00:32 GMT -5
It figures. He isn't tradeable. Apparently Bergevin doesn't want to keep paying his hefty salary in the hope that he might repeat his unexpected sunburst in the next playoffs. I wonder if anyone will bite.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Nov 9, 2014 18:15:03 GMT -5
Career with Habs
GP: 140G: 21A: 18P: 39 +/-: -27
Didn't realize he was that bad lol
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 9, 2014 18:24:29 GMT -5
Wow minus 27.... lets hope someone picks him up.
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Post by blny on Nov 9, 2014 18:29:38 GMT -5
Career with Habs GP: 140G: 21A: 18P: 39 +/-: -27 Didn't realize he was that bad lol He's really tanked his regular seasons since 2 straight 27 goal seasons with Calgary. There's no team really at risk of the cap floor. I think the only way he's traded is if Montreal takes a problem child back. At least in Hamilton it frees up another $1.3 million in cap space. That will go a long way.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 9, 2014 18:34:16 GMT -5
Had to check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1st.
He had every opportunity to push himself to his limits. Maybe he WAS playing his best.
Won't cut it on MB's team. Message loud and clear.
Merit wins.
seventeen hasn't posted yet? Must still be outside doing cartwheels.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Nov 9, 2014 18:56:23 GMT -5
I'm guessing all those games he was kept in the lineup while Sekac was in the pressbox was in a hope to get him going and develope some trade interest. Give MB and MT some credit for keeping guys based on performance and not contract and doing what is best for the team.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Nov 9, 2014 19:02:05 GMT -5
I'm guessing all those games he was kept in the lineup while Sekac was in the pressbox was in a hope to get him going and develope some trade interest. Give MB and MT some credit for keeping guys based on performance and not contract and doing what is best for the team. I was thinking the same....unfortunately it was a failed experiment .......Tangradi has returned from injury. He makes sense as a 13 th forward imo
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Post by Lord Bebop on Nov 9, 2014 19:14:31 GMT -5
If someone claims bourque that would give $7.6 million in cap space...........that could fetch a nice player!!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 9, 2014 19:35:48 GMT -5
Guess the Berg finally lost patience with the gong show that has been Bork's season.
Wasn't sure they would do this, but am very glad they did.
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Post by blny on Nov 9, 2014 19:40:40 GMT -5
Does this make it into the season highlights thread?
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Post by Skilly on Nov 9, 2014 19:53:21 GMT -5
If Bourque goes to Hamilton, according to capgeek our cap space goes from $4.2 million to $5.5 million. I seriously doubt he gets claimed. 1.3 million? I don't understand how that number is derived. The formula used when attempting to bury contracts in the minors (The Wade Redden Rule) is Cap hit - (min. NHL salary + $375, 000) Rene Bourque's cap hit is 3.333 Million. But regardless of his salary, the amount the team saves is (min NHL salary + $375,000). Which is $925,000. The season is approx 15% over. So I'd assume that all pro-rated and we'd save $925,000 * 0.85 = $786,250 I find it hard to believe we'd save 40% of his cap hit, (1.3 million / 3.333 million)..., if that was the case, everyone would do this more often.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 9, 2014 19:54:24 GMT -5
It should be noted that Bourque, even though if he cleared waivers can still play .... The 10 game/30day rule applies I believe.
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Post by blny on Nov 9, 2014 20:17:33 GMT -5
If Bourque goes to Hamilton, according to capgeek our cap space goes from $4.2 million to $5.5 million. I seriously doubt he gets claimed. 1.3 million? I don't understand how that number is derived. The formula used when attempting to bury contracts in the minors (The Wade Redden Rule) is Cap hit - (min. NHL salary + $375, 000) Rene Bourque's cap hit is 3.333 Million. But regardless of his salary, the amount the team saves is (min NHL salary + $375,000). Which is $925,000. The season is approx 15% over. So I'd assume that all pro-rated and we'd save $925,000 * 0.85 = $786,250 I find it hard to believe we'd save 40% of his cap hit, (1.3 million / 3.333 million)..., if that was the case, everyone would do this more often. All I can say is I went into Armchair GM, and demoted the player. Popup indicated the number.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 9, 2014 20:34:47 GMT -5
Had to check the calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1st. He had every opportunity to push himself to his limits. Maybe he WAS playing his best. Won't cut it on MB's team. Message loud and clear. Merit wins. seventeen hasn't posted yet? Must still be outside doing cartwheels. Nah, outside doing a lot of winterizing stuff. Helped fix the compost bins (a bear knocked one over), cleaned the car, etc. I didn't even know he was put on waivers until now. I don't know why, but I'm sad for him. It's such a waste. He has had success in the NHL, he's on a team with a decent chance to make the SC finals and maybe win it all and he doesn't make the effort needed. He's still getting a good salary, so he'll put up with the bus rides and the less than first class treatment, but he's capable of so much more. Oh well. Perhaps Lefebvre can light a fire under him. (Yes, that was extreme sarcasm) At least it's obvious who I like and who I don't, hey?
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 9, 2014 20:56:41 GMT -5
You are either part of the solution or part of the problem. PERIOD.
Chances are he was pissed off for sitting and asked to be traded. Nobody wants him.....so off with his head to Hamilton.
MB is starting to frighten me. No really. This is the kind of relentless goal oriented management of.....wait for it.....Sammy The Knife Pollock. If he keeps this up I'm going to have a mancrushbutnosexplease on him.
#minimepollack
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 9, 2014 21:01:54 GMT -5
seventeen hasn't posted yet? Must still be outside doing cartwheels. Nah.....Seventeen does his little post win jig. He sent me this about ten years ago......but since then he had problems with his pants falling....
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 9, 2014 21:04:21 GMT -5
I don't feel sorry for him. Sure, you can't fix stupid but you can fix lack of effort. That's up to the individual. He brought it on himself. Great skater with good size, should be guaranteed a spot on a 3rd or 4th line - if he had a work ethic.
I don't think we've seen the last of him. No one will claim him and he'll come up due to injuries later or at playoff time. Hopefully this will be his wake up call but i think he's permanently dozee.
No doubt MB was behind MT playing him these past few weeks to show case him. It is odd that they would bench him and not give him a chance to be scared straight before sending him down. Guess MB wants cap space.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 9, 2014 21:07:56 GMT -5
I don't know why, but I'm sad for him. It's such a waste. He has had success in the NHL, he's on a team with a decent chance to make the SC finals and maybe win it all and he doesn't make the effort needed. He's still getting a good salary, so he'll put up with the bus rides and the less than first class treatment, but he's capable of so much more. Oh well. Sorry, but I do not give a flying squirrel about him. He is playing a kids game and making more money in 6 months then the vast majority of people make in their lifetime....and he's mailing it in. Decisions and effort has consequences......
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 9, 2014 21:17:40 GMT -5
I've been wondering if MB was going to do it. I remember the Red Sox did the same thing to Manny Ramirez back in the day when he was acting like a tool. Manny was making $20 million a year so it was no shock that nobody wanted his contract, but the Red Sox did it mostly to prove a point and light a fire under the guy. Maybe there is a bit of that going on here: "We can't even just give you away. That's how little the league thinks of you, Rene". I doubt anybody will take him even though he's pretty cheap. The question I have is will they really send him down to Hamilton or will he get yet another chance to redeem himself?
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 9, 2014 21:20:27 GMT -5
BTW....not to self. Check in with Delphi virgins for trades......
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 9, 2014 21:48:43 GMT -5
This is good ...
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Nov 9, 2014 21:52:44 GMT -5
Lavoie is saying that Bourque will go to Hamilton if unclaimed.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 9, 2014 22:55:48 GMT -5
1.3 million? I don't understand how that number is derived. The formula used when attempting to bury contracts in the minors (The Wade Redden Rule) is Cap hit - (min. NHL salary + $375, 000) Rene Bourque's cap hit is 3.333 Million. But regardless of his salary, the amount the team saves is (min NHL salary + $375,000). Which is $925,000. The season is approx 15% over. So I'd assume that all pro-rated and we'd save $925,000 * 0.85 = $786,250 I find it hard to believe we'd save 40% of his cap hit, (1.3 million / 3.333 million)..., if that was the case, everyone would do this more often. All I can say is I went into Armchair GM, and demoted the player. Popup indicated the number. I think I know what's going on ....I'm just not sure it's correct. Do we save $925,000 no matter when we send a guy down during the year? I would think that's not the case. If we sent someone down for instance right before the trade deadline, that $925,000 is worth over 4.6 million then. So why do t teams do that to get cap space late in the year? The website may be prorating the full $925,000 worth to the deadline right now. Which would be close to 1.2 million. But with the season 15% over shouldn't that $925,000 be reduced?
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Post by Skilly on Nov 9, 2014 23:00:01 GMT -5
Although ... If you prorate the $786,250 to the trade deadline value ... It works out to be over 1.2 million (assuming 20% of season left at the deadline) ... This is the same thing I said above, only worded differently. (Sorry)
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 9, 2014 23:05:35 GMT -5
Lavoie is saying that Bourque will go to Hamilton if unclaimed. This is good ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 9, 2014 23:11:15 GMT -5
BTW....not to self. Check in with Delphi virgins for trades...... I don't know about you, but I thought Bourque was going to see the ice again ... good on Bergevin ... business all the way ... Cheers.
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