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Post by Douper on Nov 11, 2014 13:25:01 GMT -5
Wow, don't know about this. Gonchar is OLD!
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Post by ValkyrieNS on Nov 11, 2014 13:29:37 GMT -5
Wow, don't know about this. Gonchar is OLD! Jagr is older... All kidding aside, I'm with you on this. How does this help us? Are we now going to send one of Tinordi or Beaulieu back to Hamilton on a more permanent basis? I guess this also explains why we recalled Drayson Bowman (sp?) last night.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 11, 2014 13:30:35 GMT -5
Stars retain 8% of Gonchar's salary. His contract ends this year, whereas Moen's continues for another year.
I kind of liked Moen, thought he was a good penalty killer and a guy who was unfairly criticized a lot of the time. People complained about his salary, but he was making under $2 million, so it's not like he was crippling the team.
I guess Gonchar is supposed to help the power-play, but as a leftie I wonder where he will play. Does this mean Beaulieu/Tinordi will be sitting more, or will they abandon the left-right thing, and sit Weaver and/or Gilbert from time to time? Or dress seven defensemen?
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Post by blny on Nov 11, 2014 13:31:39 GMT -5
I don't get it either. He's not the kind of blue liner we truly need. It eats up a significant portion of the cap space we had, even with Moen going in the other direction. We do get out of next year and the last year of Moen's deal, but he's a serviceable PK guy. It all seems like something of a knee-jerk reaction to trying to fix the power play.
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Post by jkr on Nov 11, 2014 13:32:40 GMT -5
40 years old with a 5 million cap hit that expires this year.
Kind of a meh for me. Not sure where he fits but it's for less than a season & clears up a little space next year. Gonchar has only played 3 games this season. I don't see how this helps the PP as his numbers have been declining. I know we always say this but could this deal be a prelude to something else?
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Post by seventeen on Nov 11, 2014 13:32:45 GMT -5
Fits right into MT's wheelhouse. Forty years old, big salary, able to take away ice time from Beaulieu and Tinordi. From a salary standpoint, he makes $5MM a year, way more than Moen, but his contract expires this year, so it's a short term fix (at 40, no kidding). Help for the PP, perhaps? It's an odd trade. So now we don't have Bourque and we don't have Moen either. I didn't mind Moen. At least he gave you everything he had and he was a good PK'er. DAllas keep 8% of Gonchar's salary. I wonder why it wasn't 8.34%?
I find this a really odd transaction.
PS. $5MM x .92 = $4.6MM Cap hit? Or does it just mean the CAP stays the same, but Molson saves $400K (prorated)? PPS. I've always liked Gonchar, but at 40? My main concern is the question of what he has left in relation to the ice time he'll take away from the kids. (Do you get the feeling Beaulieu and Tinordi aren't getting any respect from MT and MB?) That's a pretty strong message: "We love our kids and we have to give them more opportunity to develop, but we're picking up an expensive 40 year old dman who isn't called Chelios or Lidstrom".
See what I mean? Odd, to say the least.
PPPS. Ok, it continues the Berg's trend of remaking the team and disposing of players he doesn't want relatively quickly. I just hope there aren't some unintended consequences. If I was a real conspiracy nut, I'd be thinking one guy this might affect a lot is Markov. Gonchar's not that different from Markov, but has better wheels.
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Post by blny on Nov 11, 2014 13:40:42 GMT -5
Fits right into MT's wheelhouse. Forty years old, big salary, able to take away ice time from Beaulieu and Tinordi. From a salary standpoint, he makes $5MM a year, way more than Moen, but his contract expires this year, so it's a short term fix (at 40, no kidding). Help for the PP, perhaps? It's an odd trade. So now we don't have Bourque and we don't have Moen either. I didn't mind Moen. At least he gave you everything he had and he was a good PK'er. DAllas keep 8% of Gonchar's salary. I wonder why it wasn't 8.34%? I find this a really odd transaction. PS. $5MM x .92 = $4.6MM Cap hit? Or does it just mean the CAP stays the same, but Molson saves $400K (prorated)? That would have been all of our cap space if Moen wasn't going the other way. Still scratching my head.
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Post by jkr on Nov 11, 2014 13:44:02 GMT -5
I don't get it either. He's not the kind of blue liner we truly need. It eats up a significant portion of the cap space we had, even with Moen going in the other direction. We do get out of next year and the last year of Moen's deal, but he's a serviceable PK guy. It all seems like something of a knee-jerk reaction to trying to fix the power play. I'm not troubled by losing Moen. It's understandable but I found his play declined since the concussion. His play seemed tentative.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 11, 2014 13:44:47 GMT -5
First Bourque and now Moen ... always appreciated what Moen brought to the table, loyalty being at the top of the list ... appreciated what Bourque did for us in the playoffs last year ... good luck to both of them ...
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Nov 11, 2014 13:50:41 GMT -5
I don't get it either. He's not the kind of blue liner we truly need. It eats up a significant portion of the cap space we had, even with Moen going in the other direction. We do get out of next year and the last year of Moen's deal, but he's a serviceable PK guy. It all seems like something of a knee-jerk reaction to trying to fix the power play. I'm not troubled by losing Moen. It's understandable but I found his play declined since the concussion. No doubt it has, but his role serves a purpose and given our rate of taking penalties his ability to kill penalties (if nothing else) needs to be replaced.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 11, 2014 13:54:26 GMT -5
Moen/Gonchar. I'm reminded of this play…
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Post by jkr on Nov 11, 2014 13:58:38 GMT -5
Moen/Gonchar. I'm reminded of this play… That came to mind for me too. Pretty ugly play. As I mentioned in a previous post, Gonchar hasn't played much this year. Does management really expect him to spark the PP? He's only played 3 games with 1 assist. Is there something else going on?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:03:05 GMT -5
Is he going to be strictly a PP specialist? I'd rather see Tinordi or Beaulieu get ice time.
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Post by Polarice on Nov 11, 2014 14:06:10 GMT -5
I can see another trade coming!!
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Post by Disp on Nov 11, 2014 14:07:16 GMT -5
Gonchar looked done a few years ago, he turned it around. Maybe coming to habland will energize him.
Moen is easily replaced.
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Post by Polarice on Nov 11, 2014 14:12:56 GMT -5
Hearing that trade talked about earlier this week with Edmonton may be immanent.
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Post by jkr on Nov 11, 2014 14:18:18 GMT -5
C'mon guys. HF boards already has 11 pages on this.
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 11, 2014 14:23:17 GMT -5
Don't like this trade unless it is part of bigger moves. The problem with the power play is not the personnel with Subban Markov and Gilbert but rather coaching and strategy.
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 11, 2014 14:26:09 GMT -5
No doubt needed Gonchar to play with Subban. Elemin not the type and Subban not same since Gorges trade. Probably going to cap us out for this season(waiting for capgeek to put up the numbers), so not sure yet. Hope another trade coming or means Tinordi and Beaulieu will be in Hamilton this season.
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Post by jkr on Nov 11, 2014 14:31:40 GMT -5
Louis Jean tweeting ( if my translation is correct) that Bergevin tried to do this deal before the season.
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 11, 2014 14:33:24 GMT -5
Hearing that trade talked about earlier this week with Edmonton may be immanent. Names?
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Post by franko on Nov 11, 2014 14:33:57 GMT -5
well ouch. saw him while he was here, and Sens fans couldn't wait to see him go . . . with good reason. Gonchar looked done a few years ago. indeed he did. has that worked for us before? then why not Yak whom might be re-energized with a change of scenery (I don't buy it). this one is a strange one.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 11, 2014 14:37:02 GMT -5
well ouch. saw him while he was here, and Sens fans couldn't wait to see him go . . . with good reason. Gonchar looked done a few years ago. indeed he did. has that worked for us before? then why not Yak whom might be re-energized with a change of scenery (I don't buy it). this one is a strange one. It's like divorcing Lisa Lampanelli to marry Rosanne Barr because she's older and won't last as long. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr............. Ugly thought!
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Post by jkr on Nov 11, 2014 14:41:48 GMT -5
well ouch. saw him while he was here, and Sens fans couldn't wait to see him go . . . with good reason. indeed he did. has that worked for us before? then why not Yak whom might be re-energized with a change of scenery (I don't buy it). this one is a strange one. It's like divorcing Lisa Lampanelli to marry Rosanne Barr because she's older and won't last as long. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr............. Ugly thought! who is Lisa Lampanelli?
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 11, 2014 14:49:26 GMT -5
Fits right into MT's wheelhouse. Forty years old, big salary, able to take away ice time from Beaulieu and Tinordi. Who could ask for anything more? Can't have pesky young talent like Nathan Beaulieu taking up ice time when you can have a washed up Sergei Gonchar. Therrien must be giddy. Maybe we can bring back Doug Murray too! I agree with whoever said that it seems like a kneejerk reaction to fixing the PP. News flash Bergie - if you need to bring in a 40-year old Gonchar to fix a PP when you have studs like Markov, Subban and an emerging Nathan Beaulieu then you are looking in the wrong place. It's not the pieces for the PP, it's how they are being utilized. It's hard to get too bent out of shape about this since Moen is purely a depth player at this point, but it's hard to see how this makes the team better or how this doesn't make it harder to get Beaulieu and Tinordi into the lineup. I also thought Moen could be used as a piece in a more meaningful trade to acquire more scoring. And now we have eaten into our cap space for the year so Berg has less flexibility going forward and at the deadline to take on salary. Not a BAD move, just unecessary. I'd rather keep the cap space for now and use it later if needed.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 11, 2014 14:49:47 GMT -5
It's like divorcing Lisa Lampanelli to marry Rosanne Barr because she's older and won't last as long. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr............. Ugly thought! who is Lisa Lampanelli? You don't want to know.
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Post by blny on Nov 11, 2014 14:51:12 GMT -5
It's like divorcing Lisa Lampanelli to marry Rosanne Barr because she's older and won't last as long. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr............. Ugly thought! who is Lisa Lampanelli? female version of a shock jock comedian. very very dirty. Usually part of the roasts/
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 11, 2014 14:53:39 GMT -5
Mb needs to have something else in the works. The oil need help on D... figure something out mb.
Its groundhog day. MT will do like he did last year and play the vets non stop. I'm concerned Beau and tinner will spend the rest of the season going from the press box to hamilton and back.
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Post by blny on Nov 11, 2014 14:57:25 GMT -5
Hearing that trade talked about earlier this week with Edmonton may be immanent. Names? Eller and Beaulieu for Yakupov.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 11, 2014 14:58:22 GMT -5
This is more about Subban then Moen. Gonchar is at another level of offense veruss Emelin and it may ignite PK's game.
PLUS....
Dem Ruskies Markov and Emelin play better together.
Huge, huge downside is that Tinordi or Beau are going to pay for it UNLESS Weavee is weaved.
As for Moen....think DLR.
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