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Post by habsorbed on Nov 13, 2014 0:24:13 GMT -5
Teh "Russian" factor will be HUGE. Markov. Emelin and Gonchar are now half he Habs defense. Ther will be a lot of pride on the line and it will pay dividends. Do not be surprised if those three play the best hockey that given their age, may match their career highs. So we better start working on a nick name. Somewhat ironic that we pick up Gonchar the same week we finally retire the number of the last of 'The Big Three'. So I'm going with 'The Big Troika'.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 13, 2014 8:01:48 GMT -5
I'm confused by all this but Tinordi is 22 years old and played 39 games in the NHL, most of them likely under 15 minutes a game but guys here talk like he is on his last chance and MT is trying to ruin his confidence. The posters here are all knowledgeable and I'm sure if asked how old a defenseman is when he matures most would say 24-25, bigger guys taking longer to develop, yet that doesn't apply to Tinordi for some reason. Poaters also say he needs to play a lot, make mistakes and gain confidence but isn't that better playing in Hamilton then costing a game in the NHL if he is not ready to be there? I believe both Nate and Tinner are caught between the AHL and NHL. They will not learn anymore playing in the AHL because the level of competition is not high enough. They are not being allowed to learn on the job in the NHL. So that means these kids will progress much more slowly than they should. I would love to see Nate and Beau rotate in and out of the lineup and be paired with Markov. He made Komi look good and he could help the kids.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 13, 2014 9:28:29 GMT -5
I'm confused by all this but Tinordi is 22 years old and played 39 games in the NHL, most of them likely under 15 minutes a game but guys here talk like he is on his last chance and MT is trying to ruin his confidence. The posters here are all knowledgeable and I'm sure if asked how old a defenseman is when he matures most would say 24-25, bigger guys taking longer to develop, yet that doesn't apply to Tinordi for some reason. Poaters also say he needs to play a lot, make mistakes and gain confidence but isn't that better playing in Hamilton then costing a game in the NHL if he is not ready to be there? I believe both Nate and Tinner are caught between the AHL and NHL. They will not learn anymore playing in the AHL because the level of competition is not high enough. They are not being allowed to learn on the job in the NHL. So that means these kids will progress much more slowly than they should. I would love to see Nate and Beau rotate in and out of the lineup and be paired with Markov. He made Komi look good and he could help the kids. I don't know, man ... I thought the Markov/Komisarek pairing sucked about as much as the Koiv/Higgins pairing (enter Skilly 3, 2, 1 ...) ... I have no idea how they remained together for so long without being broken up ... as for Tinordi, again as an outsider looking in, it's almost like the organization is protecting him ... whenever we hear about trade rumours (Twitter, etc) Beaulieu's name always seems to be in the mix ... conversely, Tinordi's name is never mentioned in trade rumours, yet he plays less (or seems to, anyway) ... you know, Tinordi and Beaulieu are always mentioned here and there on the boards, but I'm interested in seeing just how Darren Dietz pans out ... he marked his territory in training camp this year and if he has another great camp next year I suspect Bergevin will make room for him ... the kid looks good ... and you mentioned Nygren a little while ago ... now, let's work on the scoring ... Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 13, 2014 9:32:04 GMT -5
I'm confused by all this but Tinordi is 22 years old and played 39 games in the NHL, most of them likely under 15 minutes a game but guys here talk like he is on his last chance and MT is trying to ruin his confidence. The posters here are all knowledgeable and I'm sure if asked how old a defenseman is when he matures most would say 24-25, bigger guys taking longer to develop, yet that doesn't apply to Tinordi for some reason. Poaters also say he needs to play a lot, make mistakes and gain confidence but isn't that better playing in Hamilton then costing a game in the NHL if he is not ready to be there? Sooo why not send Galcheynuk down to the AHL so he can learn to dominate, can learn to be the go to guy, etc .... the reason is obvious. He has nothing to learn at the AHL level, nor does Tinordi. And IMO, the AHL is only going to teach them bad habits, because the NHL is faster and yes different. Tinordi has been sent down because of a numbers game, not because of his play. We will not win any more games with Tinordi out of the line-up, in fact, we could lose some I feel because we now have no deterrent in fron of Price. How many times have we said, all things being equal we'd go with the younger/bigger defenseman and let him develop. I fail to see where Gilbert/Weaver provide more to the team than Tinordi (or Beaulieu for that matter). If there was a mistake here on MB's part, I dont think it was acquiring Gonchar. I think it was signing Weaver. I said so at the time as well .... remember we only have these guys for 6-7 pro years, and to waste one in the AHL, because of Weaver/Gilbert/Gonchar would be a shame.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 13, 2014 9:45:03 GMT -5
I thought the Markov/Komisarek pairing sucked about as much as the Koiv/Higgins pairing (enter Skilly 3, 2, 1 ...) Don't even get me started on that!!! I'm still waiting for Higgins to score 40 goals. In fact, since Higgins scored 27 goals in that season Ryder "struggled" and got all the blame ... Higgins hasnt scored 20 again nor scored more than Ryder in any given season. I wish I called that one
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 13, 2014 10:09:30 GMT -5
I'm confused by all this but Tinordi is 22 years old and played 39 games in the NHL, most of them likely under 15 minutes a game but guys here talk like he is on his last chance and MT is trying to ruin his confidence. The posters here are all knowledgeable and I'm sure if asked how old a defenseman is when he matures most would say 24-25, bigger guys taking longer to develop, yet that doesn't apply to Tinordi for some reason. Poaters also say he needs to play a lot, make mistakes and gain confidence but isn't that better playing in Hamilton then costing a game in the NHL if he is not ready to be there? Sooo why not send Galcheynuk down to the AHL so he can learn to dominate, can learn to be the go to guy, etc .... the reason is obvious. He has nothing to learn at the AHL level, nor does Tinordi. And IMO, the AHL is only going to teach them bad habits, because the NHL is faster and yes different. Tinordi has been sent down because of a numbers game, not because of his play. We will not win any more games with Tinordi out of the line-up, in fact, we could lose some I feel because we now have no deterrent in fron of Price. How many times have we said, all things being equal we'd go with the younger/bigger defenseman and let him develop. I fail to see where Gilbert/Weaver provide more to the team than Tinordi (or Beaulieu for that matter). If there was a mistake here on MB's part, I dont think it was acquiring Gonchar. I think it was signing Weaver. I said so at the time as well .... remember we only have these guys for 6-7 pro years, and to waste one in the AHL, because of Weaver/Gilbert/Gonchar would be a shame. Weaver is only signed for 1 year, Gilbert is signed for 2 and he, imo, is the one in Beaulieu's way. It is weaver who is in Tinordi's way.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 13, 2014 10:27:14 GMT -5
...remember we only have these guys for 6-7 pro years... Okay, rant time. (this isn’t directed at you Skilly – it’s directed at everyone!) We have to stop thinking like this. We are the Montreal Canadiens. We are not the Rejean Houle Montreal Canadiens, we are the Montreal Canadiens. We went to the Conference Finals last year, we have tonnes of up-and-coming talent and perhaps the greatest goalie in the world. We have been picked by several experts to go to the Stanley Cup finals this year, and if it doesn't happen this year we will probably still be considered threats next year. And the year after. Jim Nill, general manager of the Dallas Stars called us a contender. Sergie Gonchar waived his no trade clause to come here, because he too thinks we are a contender. Dale Weise was over the moon happy to come here, and Jiri Sekac chose us over at least six other teams, perhaps as many as a dozen. PK Subban signed the longest possible deal he could to stay here. Both Manny Malhotra and Tom Gilbert mentioned that they signed here for a chance to win a Cup, and whether you think they had many other teams after them is irrelevant. Brian Gionta didn't say he wanted to win a Cup when he signed with Buffalo. When was the last time a Montreal player refused a trade to another team, because he hated them, as Josh Gorges did? Aren't they supposed to be desperate to get out of Montreal? Gone are the days when Toronto is viewed as a better place to be than Montreal (if that ever existed anywhere besides in the minds of Leaf fans). We have a great arena, and the best fans. Our owner appears to be willing to do anything for his players, and there is no denying that the players love the general manager. Montreal is a vibrant, exciting, fun and entertaining city. The arena is top notch and easily one of the most exciting places to play in. The players have a first class practice facility and access to anything they want or need. Subban and Prust are regulars on the talk show circuit. At least half a dozen players can be heard doing radio commercials and who knows how many others have other endorsement deals. They are rock stars here. It’s time to admit what everybody else in the hockey world has already accepted; The Montreal Canadiens are a destination team. That means players want to come here. We don’t have them for “only six or seven years”; we have them for as long as we want. They will not leave because they want to, they will leave because we do not have the cap room, or WE don’t want them anymore. This is a good team and a good organization. It’s time to stop thinking of ourselves as anything but. That means we should consider top free agents, we should put ourselves into the New York and LA class, we should start EXPECTING the best players. Not hoping for them, EXPECTING them. Our mindset has to change. We are winners now, let’s start thinking that way.
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Post by frozone on Nov 13, 2014 10:37:37 GMT -5
I'm confused by all this but Tinordi is 22 years old and played 39 games in the NHL, most of them likely under 15 minutes a game but guys here talk like he is on his last chance and MT is trying to ruin his confidence. The posters here are all knowledgeable and I'm sure if asked how old a defenseman is when he matures most would say 24-25, bigger guys taking longer to develop, yet that doesn't apply to Tinordi for some reason. Poaters also say he needs to play a lot, make mistakes and gain confidence but isn't that better playing in Hamilton then costing a game in the NHL if he is not ready to be there? I think you're right, but I do think that management has failed in some respects. Management seems too willing to give opportunities to former first rounders, and then punish them when they don't live up to unrealistic expectations. That shouldn't ruin their careers, but I don't think that's an ideal way to develop your prospects. Tinordi seemed ready coming out of last year's training camp, and I think he would have been further along in his development now if he would have been allowed to play last year. The team and Tinordi himself would have been better off in 2014-2015. Just my feeling on it, but ultimately we'll never know. Back to my main point, though: if Beau and Tin are only going to get spot duty, then why force them into depth roles? Nygren and Pateryn both seemed ready and more suited for spot duty as early as last season.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 13, 2014 10:53:53 GMT -5
...remember we only have these guys for 6-7 pro years... Okay, rant time. (this isn’t directed at you Skilly – it’s directed at everyone!) We have to stop thinking like this. We are the Montreal Canadiens. We are not the Rejean Houle Montreal Canadiens, we are the Montreal Canadiens. We went to the Conference Finals last year, we have tonnes of up-and-coming talent and perhaps the greatest goalie in the world. We have been picked by several experts to go to the Stanley Cup finals this year, and if it doesn't happen this year we will probably still be considered threats next year. And the year after. Jim Nill, general manager of the Dallas Stars called us a contender. Sergie Gonchar waived his no trade clause to come here, because he too thinks we are a contender. Dale Weise was over the moon happy to come here, and Jiri Sekac chose us over at least six other teams, perhaps as many as a dozen. PK Subban signed the longest possible deal he could to stay here. Both Manny Malhotra and Tom Gilbert mentioned that they signed here for a chance to win a Cup, and whether you think they had many other teams after them is irrelevant. Brian Gionta didn't say he wanted to win a Cup when he signed with Buffalo. When was the last time a Montreal player refused a trade to another team, because he hated them, as Josh Gorges did? Aren't they supposed to be desperate to get out of Montreal? Gone are the days when Toronto is viewed as a better place to be than Montreal (if that ever existed anywhere besides in the minds of Leaf fans). We have a great arena, and the best fans. Our owner appears to be willing to do anything for his players, and there is no denying that the players love the general manager. Montreal is a vibrant, exciting, fun and entertaining city. The arena is top notch and easily one of the most exciting places to play in. The players have a first class practice facility and access to anything they want or need. Subban and Prust are regulars on the talk show circuit. At least half a dozen players can be heard doing radio commercials and who knows how many others have other endorsement deals. They are rock stars here. It’s time to admit what everybody else in the hockey world has already accepted; The Montreal Canadiens are a destination team. That means players want to come here. We don’t have them for “only six or seven years”; we have them for as long as we want. They will not leave because they want to, they will leave because we do not have the cap room, or WE don’t want them anymore. This is a good team and a good organization. It’s time to stop thinking of ourselves as anything but. That means we should consider top free agents, we should put ourselves into the New York and LA class, we should start EXPECTING the best players. Not hoping for them, EXPECTING them. Our mindset has to change. We are winners now, let’s start thinking that way. Great post and I agree. But I was talking about young guys, like Tinordi and Beaulieau. To keep them, we have to play them, because if we don't, then they will be counting down the years until they can become UFA. Why would Tinordi want to play here if we keep bypassing him for free-agents/traded for players/etc. We are a destination team, which means we will have to make room for our young guys that are NHL ready, not stunt their development. Jarred Tinordi can become a free-agent in 4 NHL seasons, I'd like for those seasons to be Montreal Canadien seasons, not Hamilton Bulldog seasons.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 13, 2014 11:08:56 GMT -5
...remember we only have these guys for 6-7 pro years... Okay, rant time. (this isn’t directed at you Skilly – it’s directed at everyone!) We have to stop thinking like this. We are the Montreal Canadiens. We are not the Rejean Houle Montreal Canadiens, we are the Montreal Canadiens. We went to the Conference Finals last year, we have tonnes of up-and-coming talent and perhaps the greatest goalie in the world. We have been picked by several experts to go to the Stanley Cup finals this year, and if it doesn't happen this year we will probably still be considered threats next year. And the year after. Jim Nill, general manager of the Dallas Stars called us a contender. Sergie Gonchar waived his no trade clause to come here, because he too thinks we are a contender. Dale Weise was over the moon happy to come here, and Jiri Sekac chose us over at least six other teams, perhaps as many as a dozen. PK Subban signed the longest possible deal he could to stay here. Both Manny Malhotra and Tom Gilbert mentioned that they signed here for a chance to win a Cup, and whether you think they had many other teams after them is irrelevant. Brian Gionta didn't say he wanted to win a Cup when he signed with Buffalo. When was the last time a Montreal player refused a trade to another team, because he hated them, as Josh Gorges did? Aren't they supposed to be desperate to get out of Montreal? Gone are the days when Toronto is viewed as a better place to be than Montreal (if that ever existed anywhere besides in the minds of Leaf fans). We have a great arena, and the best fans. Our owner appears to be willing to do anything for his players, and there is no denying that the players love the general manager. Montreal is a vibrant, exciting, fun and entertaining city. The arena is top notch and easily one of the most exciting places to play in. The players have a first class practice facility and access to anything they want or need. Subban and Prust are regulars on the talk show circuit. At least half a dozen players can be heard doing radio commercials and who knows how many others have other endorsement deals. They are rock stars here. It’s time to admit what everybody else in the hockey world has already accepted; The Montreal Canadiens are a destination team. That means players want to come here. We don’t have them for “only six or seven years”; we have them for as long as we want. They will not leave because they want to, they will leave because we do not have the cap room, or WE don’t want them anymore. This is a good team and a good organization. It’s time to stop thinking of ourselves as anything but. That means we should consider top free agents, we should put ourselves into the New York and LA class, we should start EXPECTING the best players. Not hoping for them, EXPECTING them. Our mindset has to change. We are winners now, let’s start thinking that way. Excellent Post BC. You are absolutely correct. I am guilty of sometimes being a glass half empty type of guy but the Habs are an attractive choice for free agents. Montreal is a world class city and the fans are the best in the league.
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Post by franko on Nov 13, 2014 11:41:42 GMT -5
rant on, Garth! can I get an "AMEN!" and yet . . . and yet we have been kicked around by the (mis)management of this team for so long it's hard for us to actually believe that there is hope. even though . . . we have been toyed with. and while Habs fans are generally realistic fans, we have tempered our expectations for so long because . . . well, because although we want to believe it is just hard for us to believe any more. the spark . . . the spark is still there . . . oh how we want it to burst into flame . . . but . . . but we don't want to become like Leaf fans. better to set expectations low and to exceed than to set them high and have them dashed again. that, my friend, is a great feeling! and so is the fact that this is a winning team. ah, sunshine on a cold and cloudy day. and see . . . I didn't even mention my dislike for MT and the way he is coaching. how can I? second in the conference, fourth overall (tied for first after tonight if things go the way I'd like them to . . . )
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Post by seventeen on Nov 13, 2014 12:19:26 GMT -5
since there have been some suggestions Gonchar might improve the Power Play. I found this audio clip from Mitch Melnick's radio show on TSN 690 where Guy boucher is being interviewed and is asked about the Habs PP. He goes on to talk about all PP's, not just Montreal's (which is politically correct). It's a good listen, starting at about the 5:15 mark. Bottom line? Three quarters of PP goals are 'dirty goals' scored from that tough area in front of the net. If you're not in that area, your chances of scoring fall considerably. www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/boucher-on-the-struggling-habs-powerplay-1.133667
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 13, 2014 12:33:13 GMT -5
(... it’s directed at everyone!) Hopefully not for everyone ... my expectations for our club haven't changed since our season ended in last year's conference finals ... I'm still expecting great things and I don't find it all that unreasonable to think this way ... Cheers.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 13, 2014 13:03:09 GMT -5
We are winners now, let’s start thinking that way. The flip side of that is we need to start playing like winners and having expectations like winners. For a LONG time the refrain has been "not yet" or "when prospect XYZ gets here" or "in 3 years we'll be good". I'm done with that. My expectations are very high for this team THIS YEAR. We have a Vezina calibre goalie in his prime, a Norris trophy dman in his prime, one of the best scorers in the league in his prime, we have solid depth, a good mix of young talent and veterans.... I'm not saying we are quite there with Boston and Pittsburgh in terms of class of the conference, but we are right there near the top of the next tier of teams that are capable of being a serious Cup threat. But let's be honest that the 11-4-1 record is very charitable to our underlying performance. Our even-strength production is again stagnant, like it was last year before we traded for Vanek. The advanced stats haven't been kind to us. The PP sucks. Now I believe all of that is fixable, that the talent is there, but we need to start playing that way. This is it. The entire team is basically signed through next year so there's a real sense of urgency. We're not going to be any better or any different next year other than improvement from young players and maybe Tinordi/Beaulieu being more vital. If you don't think this team has serious chance to be a Cup threat THIS YEAR then you don't believe they can do it next year either, because it will be more of the same unless Berg does something big. That's the biggest reason why I don't like Therrien. As you pointed out earlier, the won-loss record has been pretty good and we just went to the Conference finals so why are we complaining? It's because I don't feel that we are playing much better than we were last year, and we were a BAD team for most of the season. Outside a great 15-game stretch to end the season last year (with Vanek) and a good playoff run, I feel we're right back to where we were last year before the Vanek acquisition and that bothers me. We should be better, we should be playing to our strengths, and playing our system and generating offense and scoring goals at a FAR better rate than we are. A winning attitude is important but it needs to be backed up on the ice and despite the good record, this team has a lot of work to do.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 13, 2014 13:07:27 GMT -5
since there have been some suggestions Gonchar might improve the Power Play. I found this audio clip from Mitch Melnick's radio show on TSN 690 where Guy boucher is being interviewed and is asked about the Habs PP. He goes on to talk about all PP's, not just Montreal's (which is politically correct). It's a good listen, starting at about the 5:15 mark. Bottom line? Three quarters of PP goals are 'dirty goals' scored from that tough area in front of the net. If you're not in that area, your chances of scoring fall considerably. www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/boucher-on-the-struggling-habs-powerplay-1.133667I listened to that and he said the powerplay is successful between the faceoff dots. In other words you have to have someone there to open things up. Why is Patches on the half boards on the PP. He needs to be between the dots, in the high slot. DD on the half boards and Pap along the goal line. Patches in the high slot draws a defender and takes pressure off the point. This will also allow a dman to slide down and get a pass like Markov used to do with Kovalev.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 13, 2014 16:46:20 GMT -5
since there have been some suggestions Gonchar might improve the Power Play. I found this audio clip from Mitch Melnick's radio show on TSN 690 where Guy boucher is being interviewed and is asked about the Habs PP. He goes on to talk about all PP's, not just Montreal's (which is politically correct). It's a good listen, starting at about the 5:15 mark. Bottom line? Three quarters of PP goals are 'dirty goals' scored from that tough area in front of the net. If you're not in that area, your chances of scoring fall considerably. www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/boucher-on-the-struggling-habs-powerplay-1.133667Welcome to the party Guy ..... We saw that and we don't have any coaching credentials. My question is, why can't Therrien see it?
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 13, 2014 17:04:09 GMT -5
We are winners now, let’s start thinking that way. Bergevin says he doesn't feel we're a contender yet... Therrien says they don't expect to be anything but a team that will battle hard for a playoff spot... Best way to "overachieve" is to set the bar low I guess, but an underwhelming message nonetheless, so it's hard to fault the fans for not buying into the team's contending possibility when management publicly say they're not...
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 13, 2014 17:20:14 GMT -5
Let's not forget that most teams pick up their game against us. Nothing like beating the Habs, especially at the Bell Centre.
In that light--an 11-4-1 record, playing the way we are, isn't bad at all. At least the points are in the bank….but as the season wears on, our best players must be our best players. Poor starts…clawing our way back…hoping for OT/SO…that's bound to average out and cost us.
We CAN be better….no question.
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Post by jkr on Nov 13, 2014 17:42:11 GMT -5
We are winners now, let’s start thinking that way. Bergevin says he doesn't feel we're a contender yet... Therrien says they don't expect to be anything but a team that will battle hard for a playoff spot... Best way to "overachieve" is to set the bar low I guess, but an underwhelming message nonetheless, so it's hard to fault the fans for not buying into the team's contending possibility when management publicly say they're not... It's easy to say you met expectations when you continually "underpromise".
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Post by Disp on Nov 13, 2014 19:58:26 GMT -5
...remember we only have these guys for 6-7 pro years... Okay, rant time. (this isn’t directed at you Skilly – it’s directed at everyone!) We have to stop thinking like this. We are the Montreal Canadiens. We are not the Rejean Houle Montreal Canadiens, we are the Montreal Canadiens. We went to the Conference Finals last year, we have tonnes of up-and-coming talent and perhaps the greatest goalie in the world. We have been picked by several experts to go to the Stanley Cup finals this year, and if it doesn't happen this year we will probably still be considered threats next year. And the year after. Jim Nill, general manager of the Dallas Stars called us a contender. Sergie Gonchar waived his no trade clause to come here, because he too thinks we are a contender. Dale Weise was over the moon happy to come here, and Jiri Sekac chose us over at least six other teams, perhaps as many as a dozen. PK Subban signed the longest possible deal he could to stay here. Both Manny Malhotra and Tom Gilbert mentioned that they signed here for a chance to win a Cup, and whether you think they had many other teams after them is irrelevant. Brian Gionta didn't say he wanted to win a Cup when he signed with Buffalo. When was the last time a Montreal player refused a trade to another team, because he hated them, as Josh Gorges did? Aren't they supposed to be desperate to get out of Montreal? Gone are the days when Toronto is viewed as a better place to be than Montreal (if that ever existed anywhere besides in the minds of Leaf fans). We have a great arena, and the best fans. Our owner appears to be willing to do anything for his players, and there is no denying that the players love the general manager. Montreal is a vibrant, exciting, fun and entertaining city. The arena is top notch and easily one of the most exciting places to play in. The players have a first class practice facility and access to anything they want or need. Subban and Prust are regulars on the talk show circuit. At least half a dozen players can be heard doing radio commercials and who knows how many others have other endorsement deals. They are rock stars here. It’s time to admit what everybody else in the hockey world has already accepted; The Montreal Canadiens are a destination team. That means players want to come here. We don’t have them for “only six or seven years”; we have them for as long as we want. They will not leave because they want to, they will leave because we do not have the cap room, or WE don’t want them anymore. This is a good team and a good organization. It’s time to stop thinking of ourselves as anything but. That means we should consider top free agents, we should put ourselves into the New York and LA class, we should start EXPECTING the best players. Not hoping for them, EXPECTING them. Our mindset has to change. We are winners now, let’s start thinking that way. Awesome, love it. Not sure I agree 100%, but I'd sure like to.
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Post by stoat on Nov 18, 2014 17:18:24 GMT -5
At first I thought it would be a neutral trade that would have little benefit to either team. Gonchar hasn't been dominant but his effect on the Habs PP suggests that their problem was a missing wire in the circuit. The result of putting Gonchar on it was a flow of electricity that lit up the goal lamps.
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Post by Andrew on Nov 18, 2014 19:01:08 GMT -5
At first I thought it would be a neutral trade that would have little benefit to either team. Gonchar hasn't been dominant but his effect on the Habs PP suggests that their problem was a missing wire in the circuit. The result of putting Gonchar on it was a flow of electricity that lit up the goal lamps. Agreed! The benefit of adding Gonchar became quickly apparent to me in watching the Philly game. He brings an element that we've been lacking Since Subban's emergence, which is a left handed cannon from the right point. Historically this has always served us well, with Markov running the PP from the left point, setting up the one timer on the right side (Souray, Streit, Wiz, Bergeron). With Subban the configuration has been opposite, with varied success, however, with just the one legitimate one-time threat on the left side, teams have done a good job of shutting it down. Now we can change gears and force opponents to account for either threat.
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 18, 2014 22:53:56 GMT -5
since there have been some suggestions Gonchar might improve the Power Play. I found this audio clip from Mitch Melnick's radio show on TSN 690 where Guy boucher is being interviewed and is asked about the Habs PP. He goes on to talk about all PP's, not just Montreal's (which is politically correct). It's a good listen, starting at about the 5:15 mark. Bottom line? Three quarters of PP goals are 'dirty goals' scored from that tough area in front of the net. If you're not in that area, your chances of scoring fall considerably. www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/boucher-on-the-struggling-habs-powerplay-1.133667I thought Boucher would have made a great assistant coach
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 19, 2014 14:51:05 GMT -5
since there have been some suggestions Gonchar might improve the Power Play. I found this audio clip from Mitch Melnick's radio show on TSN 690 where Guy boucher is being interviewed and is asked about the Habs PP. He goes on to talk about all PP's, not just Montreal's (which is politically correct). It's a good listen, starting at about the 5:15 mark. Bottom line? Three quarters of PP goals are 'dirty goals' scored from that tough area in front of the net. If you're not in that area, your chances of scoring fall considerably. www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/boucher-on-the-struggling-habs-powerplay-1.133667I thought Boucher would have made a great assistant coach too much competition for MT me thinks. How about the organisation do the right thing and bring Larry on board, either as an ambassador or as staff, management or coaching.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 19, 2014 16:03:19 GMT -5
since there have been some suggestions Gonchar might improve the Power Play. I found this audio clip from Mitch Melnick's radio show on TSN 690 where Guy boucher is being interviewed and is asked about the Habs PP. He goes on to talk about all PP's, not just Montreal's (which is politically correct). It's a good listen, starting at about the 5:15 mark. Bottom line? Three quarters of PP goals are 'dirty goals' scored from that tough area in front of the net. If you're not in that area, your chances of scoring fall considerably. www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/boucher-on-the-struggling-habs-powerplay-1.133667On the PP, absolutely true and it shows on us. Also shows Boucher deep understanding of the game versus MTheads "we are a ghreewding team".
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