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Post by CentreHice on Nov 11, 2014 22:23:33 GMT -5
Price was great early when it was 0-0....big save on a Kane breakaway being one example.
Jets worked hard and were victims of bad puck luck.....but we buried enough.
Sekac with another strong game.
Galchy with a strong sweep goal.
Last 2 games....7-1 on the scoresheet.
Better.....
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Post by blny on Nov 11, 2014 22:28:42 GMT -5
Despite the early turnovers, I thought they played a pretty strong game.
That dive by Enstrom near the end was almost as bad as the ref buying it. Horrible.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 11, 2014 23:38:26 GMT -5
Price was great (and lucky)! Can't believe the grade A chances we gave the Jets. Between the two coaches i think Maurice should sleep better than MT. What's with Max and PK. They are both playing terrible hockey. PK, perhaps the worst of his career - very bad turnovers, unforced icings, and no offensive presence at all. He must have had a great summer Max is in one of his slumps and i don't blame DD. Max is not hustling, he's trying moves he's not capable of, and he has no presence. Just shoot! That 2 on 1 was pathetic. Eller and Sekac are great to watch. Chucky is always fun to watch regardless who he's playing with.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 11, 2014 23:50:55 GMT -5
Thank you Evander Kane ... Price is in a zone ... Sekac is the real deal ... he's the driving force on that line and his play rubs off on his linemates ... welcome back Lars ... good luck Travis Moen ...
Cheers.
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Post by del on Nov 12, 2014 0:01:23 GMT -5
Thank you Evander Kane ... Price is in a zone ... Sekac is the real deal ... he's the driving force on that line and his play rubs off on his linemates ... welcome back Lars ... good luck Travis Moen ... Cheers. Can I just chime in here and say that I think the unsung hero of this line is Prust!. Forget his fighting ability, he can really play hockey, I mean he is totally instep to the speed and skill of Eller and Sekac and does not look out of place at all on that line.
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Post by PTH on Nov 12, 2014 0:13:11 GMT -5
We got horribly lucky.... the Jets hit what, 4 posts ?
Plus, Kane has a 2 on 0 and doesn't pass the puck, clearly makes it into a plain old breakaway: what should've been a "gimme" goal turns into a scoring chance (that he missed on).
I really hate Gilbert. He didn't do anything wrong, I just hate him.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 12, 2014 0:14:44 GMT -5
Thank you Evander Kane ... Price is in a zone ... Sekac is the real deal ... he's the driving force on that line and his play rubs off on his linemates ... welcome back Lars ... good luck Travis Moen ... Cheers. Can I just chime in here and say that I think the unsung hero of this line is Prust!. Forget his fighting ability, he can really play hockey, I mean he is totally instep to the speed and skill of Eller and Sekac and does not look out of place at all on that line. Very good point, del ... I saw Prust try to send Sekac in alone, but the pass was broken up ... at the same time, it was good to see him try something like that ... he's always had the wheels, but he sees the ice well too ... Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 12, 2014 0:45:54 GMT -5
I enjoyed this, from Habs Eye on the Prize.
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Post by PTH on Nov 12, 2014 0:57:19 GMT -5
I enjoyed this, from Habs Eye on the Prize. So.... after it's been pretty much shown that the move that people were most annoyed at (playing Bourque) was in all likelihood an order from above (the GM wanting to make Rene look good to be able to move him), the coach is still the easy person to criticise ? Will we blame him if he plays the guy his GM just went out and traded for ?
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Post by stoat on Nov 12, 2014 1:26:38 GMT -5
We got horribly lucky.... the Jets hit what, 4 posts ? Plus, Kane has a 2 on 0 and doesn't pass the puck, clearly makes it into a plain old breakaway: what should've been a "gimme" goal turns into a scoring chance (that he missed on). I really hate Gilbert. He didn't do anything wrong, I just hate him. A glass is half full post. Oh well. I don't hate Gilbert.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 12, 2014 2:18:45 GMT -5
I enjoyed this, from Habs Eye on the Prize. So.... after it's been pretty much shown that the move that people were most annoyed at (playing Bourque) was in all likelihood an order from above (the GM wanting to make Rene look good to be able to move him), the coach is still the easy person to criticise ? Will we blame him if he plays the guy his GM just went out and traded for ?
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Post by seventeen on Nov 12, 2014 2:38:00 GMT -5
The above was posted in jest, of course. I do have a really hard time understanding him, PTH. His bench management is fine, he seems to motivate reasonably well, but there are some things that defy logic. The PP is a perfect example. It's not working, but we don't see much in the way of changes. If there was a player that was having a really good game, Scotty Bowman would up his ice time and reward him for that productivity. I don't see that happening much with Therrien. The 3rd line should have had some PP time today, but no go. DD and Patches have struggled lately and while I don't advocate benching them, I might move them to the second unit on the PP. Message sent and perhaps the PP works a bit better. Instead, it's like a record that's stuck in a groove and repeats over and over. I don't disagree that Beaulieu and Tinordi have warts, but they've had good moments as well. Tom Gilbert is 31, Andrei Markov is 35 soon to be 36, and Mike Weaver is 36. We've now added a 40 year old defenseman, to a group that already isn't that fast. So yes, I'm concerned that if Gonchar gets used instead of Beaulieu and Tinordi, we'll lose yet more time in their development. Therrien's history is to lean heavily on his vets with much less patience for his youngsters.
Anyone debating Therrien's performance can always go back to his record, which has been pretty good as BC pointed out. And I can point out that his tenure has coincided with Price's maturity as a goalie. Our PK is one of our strong suits, and its a key area influenced by the goalie.
Anyway I could go on, but I will agree, I have been needlessly beating this drum and its time to ease off. I love the Habs and I want to see them do extremely well...all the way to a cup. Regardless of who the coach is.
I do like Berg a lot, if that means anything, so this Gonchar thing can't be all bad.
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Post by blny on Nov 12, 2014 6:40:01 GMT -5
Diving deeper into last night's game, I had issues with whoever is responsible for selecting lines for the power play. Is it not clear that our best line right now is Eller, Sekac and Prust? That should be the driving force behind the power play. Hell, even if they chose to sub one player off a unit instead of blindly throwing out the 'first' line and then the 'second'.
Max made one nice pass in the first, that if DD finished on would have been a goal of the year candidate for sure. Aside from that, he botched two 2-on-1 chances.
Subban is just trying way way too hard.
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Post by franko on Nov 12, 2014 7:10:18 GMT -5
Subban is just trying way way too hard. PK certainly is trying these days.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 12, 2014 8:35:15 GMT -5
I thought the whole team was gripping their sticks a little too hard. How many times did somebody have a clear, and very good, shooting chance, only to try and pass? Subban for sure on one, where he walked in from the point and for one of the very few times had space and time to unleash a shot, but instead he ended up trying to get too fancy in the slot. Pacioretty and Desharnais also did it once each, and even Sekac got in on the action, trying to feather a pass through three players when he was 10 feet out from the goalie. Shoot the puck!!
I think they're lacking a little confidence in their goal scoring ability right now, so they think they need to make the perfect play for the easy tap in. Just shoot. You get within 15 feet and I don't care who you are, just shoot. The goals will come.
As for Price, well stellar again. But I don't really think that's a bad thing. He's a 5th overall pick, he's the 4th highest paid goalie in league, he was Team Canada's guy, he's largely regarded as one of the top 3 goalies in the world right now. Why wouldn't you rely on him? We have that luxury. Sure, we'd all love it if the team was giving up 15 shots a game, 12 from the blueline, but if that were the case we wouldn't need a $6.5 million goalie, right? We have one, so let's just ride it, I say.
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Post by frozone on Nov 12, 2014 9:19:36 GMT -5
My favourite part of the game came with about 3 min left in the third. Instead of sending out a tired, overused Plekanec, MT sent out Malhotra and Prust. Imo we have 3 trustworthy centres that we can throw out there to protect the lead.
I'm amazed by the chemistry between Patches and Plekanec on the PK. They get more scoring chances together on the PK than DD/Patches at even strength. Why not try playing Max with Pleks? I've been very frustrated with Max this year... I think he learned too much from Vanek last season.
I really like Sekac. He seems to understand the need to fight for every inch on the ice. He's extremely competitive and relentless. But like BC said, he needs to learn to shoot the puck.
Despite the shutout, I don't think our defense played well. At all. Price and our forwards won that one.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 12, 2014 9:28:54 GMT -5
My favourite part of the game came with about 3 min left in the third. Instead of sending out a tired, overused Plekanec, MT sent out Malhotra and Prust. Imo we have 3 trustworthy centres that we can throw out there to protect the lead. I'm amazed by the chemistry between Patches and Plekanec on the PK. They get more scoring chances together on the PK than DD/Patches at even strength. Why not try playing Max with Pleks? Great idea about Max and Pleks. Patches-Pleks-Parenteau Galchy-DD-Gallagher Prust-Eller-Sekac Weise-Malholtra-Bowman/Bournival The second line will have the 2 smallest players on our team, so you could swap PAP and bGal.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 12, 2014 9:40:59 GMT -5
As for Price, well stellar again. But I don't really think that's a bad thing. He's a 5th overall pick, he's the 4th highest paid goalie in league, he was Team Canada's guy, he's largely regarded as one of the top 3 goalies in the world right now. Why wouldn't you rely on him? I was so impressed with Price last night. Tuesday night game in November so not a ton of pressure, but maybe that's why. He's just so locked in and has great anticipation and instincts. You see how he reads the play and moves calmly to where the danger is. No hurried movements, no acrobatic saves, just great focus and positioning. The great ones always say the game slows down for them and that's how it looks for Carey. A real pro.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 12, 2014 10:52:39 GMT -5
Price was great (and lucky)! Can't believe the grade A chances we gave the Jets. Between the two coaches i think Maurice should sleep better than MT. What's with Max and PK. They are both playing terrible hockey. PK, perhaps the worst of his career - very bad turnovers, unforced icings, and no offensive presence at all. He must have had a great summer Max is in one of his slumps and i don't blame DD. Max is not hustling, he's trying moves he's not capable of, and he has no presence. Just shoot! That 2 on 1 was pathetic. Eller and Sekac are great to watch. Chucky is always fun to watch regardless who he's playing with. The key to the 2 on 1 is to pass the puck early, and often if need be ... the defenseman and goalie will always play the one-timer. We saw early in the year when Pleky and Max went in on a 2 on 0 from the blueline. Max-Pleky-Max-Pleky-goal Pacioretty received the pass last night and the defenseman was playing off him expecting the one-timer and letting his goalie see the shot. Max coralled the pass. That was his mistake. He should have raised the stick as if he was going to shoot and then tapped it back. The time it took him to corale it, he lost the timing on the return feed and then the defenseman was on him for the shot, so the little deke was poked away... pass-pass-shoot (get in for the rebound) thats the key. Pass and hanging onto it until the last minute never works unless its the perfect little saucer pass that's tipped past an outstretched goalie's pad.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 12, 2014 11:02:13 GMT -5
I enjoyed this, from Habs Eye on the Prize. So.... after it's been pretty much shown that the move that people were most annoyed at (playing Bourque) was in all likelihood an order from above (the GM wanting to make Rene look good to be able to move him), the coach is still the easy person to criticise ? Will we blame him if he plays the guy his GM just went out and traded for ? If Bergevin was ordering MT to play Bourque as trade bait, then you think he would have insisted MT put him out into positions to succeed, such as give him PP time. I dont think MB ordered MT to play him, I think they finally realized it was time to admit defeat.
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Post by blny on Nov 12, 2014 11:05:58 GMT -5
Good idea on Pleks and Patches. Worth a shot.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 12, 2014 11:08:35 GMT -5
As for Price, well stellar again. But I don't really think that's a bad thing. He's a 5th overall pick, he's the 4th highest paid goalie in league, he was Team Canada's guy, he's largely regarded as one of the top 3 goalies in the world right now. Why wouldn't you rely on him? I was so impressed with Price last night. Tuesday night game in November so not a ton of pressure, but maybe that's why. He's just so locked in and has great anticipation and instincts. You see how he reads the play and moves calmly to where the danger is. No hurried movements, no acrobatic saves, just great focus and positioning. The great ones always say the game slows down for them and that's how it looks for Carey. A real pro. If last year's performances weren't enough to prove it, Price is an elite goaltender now ... he's being asked to do a lot right now, more so with the defence corps being a tad pourous right now ... Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 12, 2014 11:31:38 GMT -5
So.... after it's been pretty much shown that the move that people were most annoyed at (playing Bourque) was in all likelihood an order from above (the GM wanting to make Rene look good to be able to move him), the coach is still the easy person to criticise ? Will we blame him if he plays the guy his GM just went out and traded for ? If Bergevin was ordering MT to play Bourque as trade bait, then you think he would have insisted MT put him out into positions to succeed, such as give him PP time. I dont think MB ordered MT to play him, I think they finally realized it was time to admit defeat. I heard a podcast with Elliot Friedman and he basically said MB moved Moen and demoted Bourque so that Sekac and Bournival would get ice time. That tells me MT makes the decisions on who plays, when and where and that MB has to force MTs hand to get a player MB wants in.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 12, 2014 12:01:02 GMT -5
If Bergevin was ordering MT to play Bourque as trade bait, then you think he would have insisted MT put him out into positions to succeed, such as give him PP time. I dont think MB ordered MT to play him, I think they finally realized it was time to admit defeat. I heard a podcast with Elliot Friedman and he basically said MB moved Moen and demoted Bourque so that Sekac and Bournival would get ice time. That tells me MT makes the decisions on who plays, when and where and that MB has to force MTs hand to get a player MB wants in. If so, then it's good asset management ... Gonchar won't be on the books next year and Moen's salary is already gone ... Cheers.
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