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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 12, 2014 17:52:38 GMT -5
Bruins vs Canadiens
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 19h30 au Centre Bell TV: SN360, NESN, RDS Radio: TSN 960 Montreal VS. All-Time series 450-337-103 Montreal
Here are the projected lineups: BRUINS Milan Lucic - Chris Kelly - Seth Griffith Brad Marchand - Patrice Bergeron - Reilly Smith Matt Fraser - Carl Soderberg - Loui Eriksson Simon Gagne - Gregory Campbell - Daniel Paille Dennis Seidenberg - Dougie Hamilton Joe Morrow - Adam McQuaid Torey Krug - Zach Trotman Tuukka Rask Niklas Svedberg Scratched: Matt Bartkowski, Alex Khokhlachev Injured: Zdeno Chara (knee), David Krejci (lower body), Kevan Miller (shoulder) CANADIENS
Max Pacioretty - David Desharnais - Pierre-Alexandre Parenteau Alex Galchenyuk - Tomas Plekanec - Brendan Gallagher Brandon Prust - Lars Eller - Jiri Sekac Drayson Bowman - Manny Malhotra - Dale Weise Andrei Markov - P.K. Subban Alexei Emelin - Mike Weaver Sergei Gonchar - Tom Gilbert Carey Price Dustin Tokarski Scratched: Nathan Beaulieu Injured: Michael Bournival (shoulder)
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Post by franko on Nov 12, 2014 19:09:57 GMT -5
this is my answer to the idea of just raising remembrance banners to the rafters. can you imagine anyone wearing number 4 (Bruins or Habs)? number 9? yes, it has been excessive in Habs-town, but I'm not sure how you can un-retire the others, but there are some that just won't be / shouldn't be worn.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 12, 2014 19:47:03 GMT -5
Yessiree Bob, good that this one is on national TV. This is our big rivalry these days. Don't like to miss the B games.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 12, 2014 20:19:26 GMT -5
Rask in tonight against the Leafs.
So I guess we'll see Svedberg. Julien playing the "Habs are in Rask's head" hunch, no doubt.
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Post by franko on Nov 12, 2014 20:24:52 GMT -5
works for me . . . let's get in both goalies heads!
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 12, 2014 21:51:33 GMT -5
Rask in tonight against the Leafs. So I guess we'll see Svedberg. Julien playing the "Habs are in Rask's head" hunch, no doubt. Rask getting worked over 5-1 Laffs end of 2nd
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 12, 2014 21:55:12 GMT -5
Rask in tonight against the Leafs. So I guess we'll see Svedberg. Julien playing the "Habs are in Rask's head" hunch, no doubt. Rask getting worked over 5-1 Laffs end of 2nd Rask was in for the first 4....then Svedberg came in for the 5th. Two bad angle plays on Kessel shots. Both to the long side. Great shots...but Rask has them when he's on.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 13, 2014 0:28:31 GMT -5
Boys better be ready as Bruins will be sour about losing badly to the Leafs. And don't think this will be easy because the Bs are playing back to back. The Bs did not show up in TO. On the other hand, the Bs are not what they were last year and are now missing Chara and Kripesee. Let me reach for a tissue.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 13, 2014 7:34:25 GMT -5
Boys better be ready as Bruins will be sour about losing badly to the Leafs. And don't think this will be easy because the Bs are playing back to back. The Bs did not show up in TO. On the other hand, the Bs are not what they were last year and are now missing Chara and Kripesee. Let me reach for a tissue. Never saw that coming ... stopped into the local watering hole last night and the bartender was using a goal light for every time the Leafs scored ... (wearing my Habs jacket) I expressed my disdain ( ) despite being outnumbered by the sea of blue and white sitting at the bar ... but I think you're right, though, the Bruins will be looking to make amends for having their butts handed to them ... Lucic still has to watch himself with Emelin and Weise but if the B's start losing I suspect we'll see some fireworks ... Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 13, 2014 7:44:46 GMT -5
Boys better be ready as Bruins will be sour about losing badly to the Leafs. And don't think this will be easy because the Bs are playing back to back. The Bs did not show up in TO. On the other hand, the Bs are not what they were last year and are now missing Chara and Kripesee. Let me reach for a tissue. Never saw that coming ... stopped into the local watering hole last night and the bartender was using a goal light for every time the Leafs scored ... (wearing my Habs jacket) I expressed my disdain ( ) despite being outnumbered by the sea of blue and white sitting at the bar ... but I think you're right, though, the Bruins will be looking to make amends for having their butts handed to them ... Lucic still has to watch himself with Emelin and Weise but if the B's start losing I suspect we'll see some fireworks ... Cheers. Rick, which watering hole in k-town do you go to?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 13, 2014 9:03:24 GMT -5
Never saw that coming ... stopped into the local watering hole last night and the bartender was using a goal light for every time the Leafs scored ... (wearing my Habs jacket) I expressed my disdain ( ) despite being outnumbered by the sea of blue and white sitting at the bar ... but I think you're right, though, the Bruins will be looking to make amends for having their butts handed to them ... Lucic still has to watch himself with Emelin and Weise but if the B's start losing I suspect we'll see some fireworks ... Cheers. Rick, which watering hole in k-town do you go to? The Loyal Oarsman ... the whole menu is roadhouse/English pub fare, but they have the best wings in the city ... if you're in K-town let me know buds ... Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 13, 2014 10:06:51 GMT -5
Rick, which watering hole in k-town do you go to? The Loyal Oarsman ... the whole menu is roadhouse/English pub fare, but they have the best wings in the city ... if you're in K-town let me know buds ... Cheers. That sounds like fun. Maybe Franko and I can go. Maybe we could put something on the site to see who else would like to join us.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 13, 2014 11:05:40 GMT -5
this is my answer to the idea of just raising remembrance banners to the rafters. can you imagine anyone wearing number 4 (Bruins or Habs)? number 9? yes, it has been excessive in Habs-town, but I'm not sure how you can un-retire the others, but there are some that just won't be / shouldn't be worn. Why does it have to be one or the other .... why can't it be both? There are 3 teams (Toronto, Calgary, St. Louis) in the NHL that "honour" jerseys. All three of those teams ALSO have retired jerseys. There are four other teams (Detroit, Philly, Vancouver and Carolina) that have removed jersey numbers from circulation without retiring the players number. EDITED for examples (not a full extensive list) TEAM | RETIRED | HONOURED | TORONTO | Ace Bailey #6 | Syl Apps #10 | CALGARY | Mike Vernon #30 | Al MacInnis #2 | ST. LOUIS | Brett Hull #16 | Keith Tkachuck / Gary Unger #7 |
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Post by Polarice on Nov 13, 2014 11:11:05 GMT -5
this is my answer to the idea of just raising remembrance banners to the rafters. can you imagine anyone wearing number 4 (Bruins or Habs)? number 9? yes, it has been excessive in Habs-town, but I'm not sure how you can un-retire the others, but there are some that just won't be / shouldn't be worn. Why does it have to be one or the other .... why can't it be both? There are 3 teams (Toronto, Calgary, St. Louis) in the NHL that "honour" jerseys. All three of those teams ALSO have retired jerseys. There are four other teams (Detroit, Philly, Vancouver and Carolina) that have removed jersey numbers from circulation without retiring the players number. I like it the way it is.....the reasons why other teams "honour" the players jerseys and not retire them is because they don't have anyone that deserves that honour!! When you look at the Leaf's for instance....over the last 40 years can you think of one player that may deserve that honour compared to someone like the Habs?
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Post by Skilly on Nov 13, 2014 11:26:04 GMT -5
Why does it have to be one or the other .... why can't it be both? There are 3 teams (Toronto, Calgary, St. Louis) in the NHL that "honour" jerseys. All three of those teams ALSO have retired jerseys. There are four other teams (Detroit, Philly, Vancouver and Carolina) that have removed jersey numbers from circulation without retiring the players number. I like it the way it is.....the reasons why other teams "honour" the players jerseys and not retire them is because they don't have anyone that deserves that honour!! When you look at the Leaf's for instance....over the last 40 years can you think of one player that may deserve that honour compared to someone like the Habs? Sure I can think of players on Toronto and Calgary that deserve to be retired (I'm not sure why you limit it to just 40 years though, a dig at the Leafs futility I guess, the Habs have retired jerseys from further back than that too, in recent memory) I think one of the reasons the Habs have been on a retiring binge lately, is the futility of the team over the past 22 years. Where was I ... oh yes, "worthy" players that deserve their number retired but they are only honoured ... Johnny Bower, Frank Mahovolich, Joe Niuewendyk, to name some.
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Post by Polarice on Nov 13, 2014 11:32:13 GMT -5
You just made my point......Retiring someone like Niuewendyk, of Mahovolich would be like Montreal retiring Kirk Mullers or Damphousse's numbers.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 13, 2014 11:40:44 GMT -5
You just made my point......Retiring someone like Niuewendyk, of Mahovolich would be like Montreal retiring Kirk Mullers or Damphousse's numbers. Nieuwendyk is akin to retiring Patrick Roy, ... oh I will hear the arguments now, LOL Three Stanley Cups (only one with Calgary) ... Patrick had 4 (only 2 with Montreal) 1126 points .. of which more than half came while playing with Calgary in only about 40% of his career. Patrick Roy's best years were with Colorado. Nieuwendyk's best years were with Calgary As for Frank Mahovolich, comparing him to Muller/Damphousse while on the Habs is a little far fetched. Big M won four Stanley Cups with Toronto and was a intrgral contributor in those wins, won the Calder with Toronto, and is still in the Top 7 in all-time goals and points by a Toronto Maple Leaf. Vincent Damphousse is 28th on Montreal's goal list and 23rd on the points list. Kirk Muller is 55th on Montreal's goals list and 59th on the points list. As we all know, Frank Mavolich played on Montreal and sits 44th on the goals and points list with just his Montreal numbers. With just his Toronto numbers he'd be 9th on Montreal's goal list and 13th in points. Oh well, we will have to agree to disagree. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Since the 2005-06 season, Montreal has retired 11 jerseys. Some of them were only nostalgic, IMO. Back to the game thread
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Post by Polarice on Nov 13, 2014 12:10:46 GMT -5
Defensive lines for tonight!!
Markov-Subban Emelin-Weaver Gonchar-Gilbert
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Post by franko on Nov 13, 2014 12:12:58 GMT -5
this is my answer to the idea of just raising remembrance banners to the rafters. can you imagine anyone wearing number 4 (Bruins or Habs)? number 9? yes, it has been excessive in Habs-town, but I'm not sure how you can un-retire the others, but there are some that just won't be / shouldn't be worn. Why does it have to be one or the other .... why can't it be both? There are 3 teams (Toronto, Calgary, St. Louis) in the NHL that "honour" jerseys. All three of those teams ALSO have retired jerseys. There are four other teams (Detroit, Philly, Vancouver and Carolina) that have removed jersey numbers from circulation without retiring the players number. EDITED for examples (not a full extensive list) TEAM | RETIRED | HONOURED | TORONTO | Ace Bailey #6 | Syl Apps #10 | CALGARY | Mike Vernon #30 | Al MacInnis #2 | ST. LOUIS | Brett Hull #16 | Keith Tkachuck / Gary Unger #7 |
in my round-about way that's what I was saying: some you retire, some you honour and "rest" for a while. can we "unretire" some of the numbers up there or do we start now (heck, do we need to? who else deserves their jersey retired? Lemaire, Saku maybe, Carbo and Shutt? may...be; someone might suggest Houle; Galchy and Price in years to come . . . oh, and of course, PJ Stock )
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Post by Polarice on Nov 13, 2014 12:20:59 GMT -5
Instead of throwing some of those numbers up to the rafters, or doing the honor thing, why not name some awards after them? Give the current players something at the end of the year. For instance, Pleky could win the Carbo award for best defensive forward. Prust could get the Koivu award for community service....etc!!
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Post by Skilly on Nov 13, 2014 12:22:59 GMT -5
Why does it have to be one or the other .... why can't it be both? There are 3 teams (Toronto, Calgary, St. Louis) in the NHL that "honour" jerseys. All three of those teams ALSO have retired jerseys. There are four other teams (Detroit, Philly, Vancouver and Carolina) that have removed jersey numbers from circulation without retiring the players number. EDITED for examples (not a full extensive list) TEAM | RETIRED | HONOURED | TORONTO | Ace Bailey #6 | Syl Apps #10 | CALGARY | Mike Vernon #30 | Al MacInnis #2 | ST. LOUIS | Brett Hull #16 | Keith Tkachuck / Gary Unger #7 |
in my round-about way that's what I was saying: some you retire, some you honour and "rest" for a while. can we "unretire" some of the numbers up there or do we start now (heck, do we need to? who else deserves their jersey retired? Lemaire, Saku maybe, Carbo and Shutt? may...be; someone might suggest Houle; Galchy and Price in years to come . . . oh, and of course, PJ Stock ) Numbers have been unretired before ... usually it is for a family member (Brett Hull) or someone coming out of retirement (Mario Lemieux) or when a team relocates, they unretire the former teams numbers.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 13, 2014 12:42:48 GMT -5
It's confirmed that Gonchar is dressing tonight. No word yet on who is the odd man out, but I'll be a ring tailed, twin horned, yellow breasted coot if it isn't Beaulieu.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 13, 2014 12:45:45 GMT -5
I like it the way it is.....the reasons why other teams "honour" the players jerseys and not retire them is because they don't have anyone that deserves that honour!! When you look at the Leaf's for instance....over the last 40 years can you think of one player that may deserve that honour compared to someone like the Habs? Sure I can think of players on Toronto and Calgary that deserve to be retired (I'm not sure why you limit it to just 40 years though, a dig at the Leafs futility I guess, the Habs have retired jerseys from future back than that too, in recent memory) I think one of the reasons the Habs have been on a retiring binge lately, is the futility of the team over the past 22 years. Where was I ... oh yes, "worthy" players that deserve their number retired but they are only honoured ... Johnny Bower, Frank Mahovolich, Joe Niuewendyk, to name some. I don't know why they haven't retired Mahovlich's number ... I only remember the Big M when he was playing with Detroit and Montreal but he was a star in the league for years ... I remember him from the Toros, too, but I digress ... Cheers.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 13, 2014 13:06:23 GMT -5
It's confirmed that Gonchar is dressing tonight. No word yet on who is the odd man out, but I'll be a ring tailed, twin horned, yellow breasted coot if it isn't Beaulieu. Methinks you are quite safe.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 13, 2014 14:07:56 GMT -5
It's a 'game time decision'
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 13, 2014 14:24:24 GMT -5
Found this article and found it to have some funny stuff RIP Dale Weise
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Post by jkr on Nov 13, 2014 15:14:17 GMT -5
Sure I can think of players on Toronto and Calgary that deserve to be retired (I'm not sure why you limit it to just 40 years though, a dig at the Leafs futility I guess, the Habs have retired jerseys from future back than that too, in recent memory) I think one of the reasons the Habs have been on a retiring binge lately, is the futility of the team over the past 22 years. Where was I ... oh yes, "worthy" players that deserve their number retired but they are only honoured ... Johnny Bower, Frank Mahovolich, Joe Niuewendyk, to name some. I don't know why they haven't retired Mahovlich's number ... I only remember the Big M when he was playing with Detroit and Montreal but he was a star in the league for years ... I remember him from the Toros, too, but I digress ... Cheers. How about Bower's number 1? Do the Leafs win a single Cup in the sixties without him? Their drought would be about 60 years!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 13, 2014 15:26:21 GMT -5
I don't know why they haven't retired Mahovlich's number ... I only remember the Big M when he was playing with Detroit and Montreal but he was a star in the league for years ... I remember him from the Toros, too, but I digress ... Cheers. How about Bower's number 1? Do the Leafs win a single Cup in the sixties without him? Their drought would be about 60 years! I don't remember the series all that well, jkr ... did Bower steal some games for the Leafs? ... I honestly don't know ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 13, 2014 15:59:17 GMT -5
Here's a rundown of the 1967 playoffs from Wikipedia. Sawchuk played 10 of the 12 games for the Leafs that spring. All 6 games against Chicago, winning 4-2. He started Game 1 against the Habs and got lit up. Bower came in and won Games 2 and 3, then he got hurt before Game 4. Sawchuk lost badly again, but he pulled it together and won the next two games. So, Bower got the Leafs back on track in the finals. Montreal won the opener 6–2, soundly trouncing Toronto. For the second game, Terry Sawchuk was replaced with Bower and provided the Leafs with a shutout win 3–0. Bower was in net for game three won 3–2 on Bob Pulford's overtime goal. This game has been described as "one of the most exciting games ever played".[2]
Bower was injured before game four and Sawchuk had to take over. Al Smith was called up from the minors to served as back-up for the fourth and fifth games. The Canadiens defeated the Leafs 6–2 again, this time in Toronto to even the series. Sawchuk would play very well in the next two games, backstopping the Leafs to the Cup. In the sixth game Bower returned to the line-up as back up. Jim Pappin scored his seventh goal of the playoffs and Sawchuk stopped 41 shots helping Toronto win the cup. Pappin had four goals and four assists in the Final series.1962…Bower out-duelled Glenn Hall in the finals. 1963…held the Habs to 6 goals in 5 games in the semis. Then Detroit to 10 goals in 5 games in the finals. 1964…shut out Detroit in Game 7 in the finals….after Bob Baun's famous "broken ankle" OT goal in Game 6. Yep….Bower was the man in his day….just celebrated his 90th last week! A pleasure meeting him at a signing in town about 10 years ago.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 13, 2014 17:10:51 GMT -5
I guess the leopard can't change it's spots. At the morning practice it was gonchar and markov with patches, dd and pap practicing the pp. Pk and gilbert with the pleky line. I guess the eller line is an after thought even though they are currently the straw that stirs the team drink.
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