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Post by CentreHice on Nov 23, 2014 21:50:13 GMT -5
Just did a comparison of Eastern Conference #1 centres.
1. PIT Crosby 8-18-26. 59 SOG 2. TB Stamkos 14-10-24. 77 SOG 3. CBJ Johansen 7-16-23. 51 SOG 4. NYI Tavares 8-12-20. 54 SOG 5. TOR Bozak 8-11-19. 49 SOG 6. WAS Backstrom 5-14-19. 36 SOG 7. BOS Bergeron 5-11-16. 63 SOG (Krejci, injured. 3-7-10. 25 SOG in 11 games.) 8. NYR Brassard 6-9-15. 36 SOG 9. CAR Staal 6-7-13. 46 SOG 10. NJ Henrique 6-6-12. 30 SOG 11. OTT Turris 3-9-12. 44 SOG 12. FLA Bjugstad 7-4-11. 53 SOG 13. BUF Girgensons 6-5-11. 40 SOG. 14. DET Datsyuk 5-6-11. 25 SOG (in 10 games) 15. MTL Desharnais 2-9-11. 22 SOG
The fewest goals. Tied for fewest pts. The fewest shots…less than 1 per game.
In the most games played (23).
Not to mention he's the smallest.
You guys do the rest of the math.
The only thing saving DD is his supporting cast. Those numbers are absolutely wretched.
If MB has any hopes of truly contending this year, he has to do something about that position. Promoting Galchenyuk as the season progresses would be the logical choice, without making a splash deal.
Or we wait and watch DD get checked into oblivion during the playoffs once again.
Not his fault….he's just not big enough.
I doubt he'd fare much better compared with the Western teams' #1s.
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Post by folatre on Nov 23, 2014 23:15:27 GMT -5
Unless Galchenyuk takes this role, there is no one capable truly.
But making a good trade for a quality #1 centre who is almost impossible when you count the organisation's assets.
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Post by PTH on Nov 24, 2014 0:28:52 GMT -5
Unless Galchenyuk takes this role, there is no one capable truly. But making a good trade for a quality #1 centre who is almost impossible when you count the organisation's assets. What is needed for this to happen is an injury.... Plekanec, Desharnais or Eller being out for more than a handful of games would mean giving Galchenyuk his chance to run his own line... and if he could do so, maybe we see some changes to the lineup long-term. That being said, I don't expect fundamental changes at this point... we're still a top team, and it's not like we haven't changed half the roster since last season, already...
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 24, 2014 0:41:01 GMT -5
And for all the primo PP time he gets....1 goal, 1 assist. He's not the sole reason for that under-performance...but he's part of that first wave that sets the tone by coming up empty.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 24, 2014 6:29:45 GMT -5
Last year DESHARNAIS got his second point, yes point, in game #21. Then went the rest of the year not going more than 2 games without a point.
He is way ahead of that pace this year. I agree we need an upgrade, but his production was never great; its not just this year.
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Post by blny on Nov 24, 2014 6:58:06 GMT -5
He's definitely ahead of last year's pace, but we're not going to win the cup with him as the #1. We're starting games and periods with Eller's line why can't we start power plays that way? Send a message. I'm tired of that line coming out with 30 seconds left in a PP and generating the first scoring chance.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 24, 2014 7:24:51 GMT -5
Last year DESHARNAIS got his second point, yes point, in game #21. Then went the rest of the year not going more than 2 games without a point. He is way ahead of that pace this year. I agree we need an upgrade, but his production was never great; its not just this year. I know this thread isn't a revelation.….more to my point is that, at 28 and joined at the hip with our best overall winger, he should be improving. Not the case. He disappeared/was completely neutralized vs. the Rangers last year in the playoffs….and a team with Cup aspirations has to take a hard look at keeping such a player in the #1 C position. RE: Last season's pace at the same time of year…yes, he's ahead of that. But he's behind in terms of yearly production. 2013-14: 16-36-52 This year, he's on pace for 8-36-44. Sure, he might pick it up as he did last year…but that still won't matter come playoff time. IMO. If MT had him as our 2nd or 3rd line C, perhaps there'd be no need for this thread. And therein, maybe, lies the real problem: stubborn coach.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 9:22:14 GMT -5
He's definitely ahead of last year's pace, but we're not going to win the cup with him as the #1. We're starting games and periods with Eller's line why can't we start power plays that way? Send a message. I'm tired of that line coming out with 30 seconds left in a PP and generating the first scoring chance. I wonder what Bergevin's long-term strategy is with Desharnais. We have THREE centres with reasonable size: Eller, Galchenyuk, and Malholtra. We don't need both Plekanec and Desharnais. Pleks is a recurring 20-goal scorer and is reliable defensively. When Desharnais isn't putting up points, how else does he contribute?
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 24, 2014 10:13:16 GMT -5
We finished dead last in the East and drafted a 6'2", 205 lb. highly-skilled centre...the best potential we've had at that position since Koivu...and perhaps Damphousse.
I've heard/read many opinions that say Galchenyuk was the best forward in the 2012 draft....and his production so far bears that out.
Yet, he continues to be developed on the wing....and get secondary PP time.
On what other team would such a highly-picked centre be handled?
Sorry John Tavares....you have to play wing and take a back seat on the PP because we prefer Frans Nielsen and Richard Park....
Sorry Steve Stamkos...
Sorry Anze Kopitar...
Sorry Jonathan Toews....
I'm not putting Galchy in that category yet...but he's a lot closer to them than any centre we have....good luck reaching that potential staying on wing....
DD should be the player forced to change position/role. In my opinion, anyway. Probably my biggest beef with MT.
Thank goodness we have Carey Price.
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Post by Polarice on Nov 24, 2014 10:51:06 GMT -5
I was puzzled when we re-signed him last year, I would have let him walk.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 24, 2014 11:08:29 GMT -5
All the players who played with DD from Pacioretty to Cole, to Vanek and now Parenteau mentioned how they enjoy playing on a line with Desharnais… Why? Because they produce there. If DD is only a by-product of Pacioretty than why do other players also produce at career high clip with DD…
Is he a #1 center? Nope. He’s not paid as such nor is the center who receives the most icetime, on both account that player is Plekanec for the moment. Desharnais is a secondary offensive center , a role he plays very well IMO.
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Post by blny on Nov 24, 2014 11:09:36 GMT -5
Two years of DD left. One year of Pleks. DD is at least cheap. It would be nice to have that big center to put in front of Galchenyuk to mentor and shield.
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Post by franko on Nov 24, 2014 11:31:35 GMT -5
All the players who played with DD from Pacioretty to Cole, to Vanek and now Parenteau mentioned how they enjoy playing on a line with Desharnais… Why? Because they produce there. If DD is only a by-product of Pacioretty than why do other players also produce at career high clip with DD… my question is why doesn't DD himself produce?
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 24, 2014 11:48:24 GMT -5
All the players who played with DD from Pacioretty to Cole, to Vanek and now Parenteau mentioned how they enjoy playing on a line with Desharnais… Why? Because they produce there. If DD is only a by-product of Pacioretty than why do other players also produce at career high clip with DD… Is he a #1 center? Nope. He’s not paid as such nor is the center who receives the most icetime, on both account that player is Plekanec for the moment. Desharnais is a secondary offensive center , a role he plays very well IMO. I'm not being argumentative, Doc….but if he's secondary, why does he get primo PP time? Because of this magic with Pacioretty? How's our PP doing? The opposition shuts down our point men…mainly Subban….and we're toast. DD's easily checked, and loses the majority of battles...not because of his effort/heart….because of his stature. We need a legit #1 centre with size who has a nose for the net…can create/command room….not just looking to pass to his buddy. If DD plays the role of secondary offensive centre very well….then MB would be well-served to see who he can get for him, (or to see how many GMs feel the same way)...so we can get Galchenyuk in the centre mix. Just my opinion. I'm trying to be objective about it….but I've been feeling this way since the Rangers' series last year.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 24, 2014 12:17:08 GMT -5
Just did a comparison of Eastern Conference #1 centres. 1. PIT Crosby 8-18-26. 59 SOG 2. TB Stamkos 14-10-24. 77 SOG 3. CBJ Johansen 7-16-23. 51 SOG 4. NYI Tavares 8-12-20. 54 SOG 5. TOR Bozak 8-11-19. 49 SOG 6. WAS Backstrom 5-14-19. 36 SOG 7. BOS Bergeron 5-11-16. 63 SOG (Krejci, injured. 3-7-10. 25 SOG in 11 games.) 8. NYR Brassard 6-9-15. 36 SOG 9. CAR Staal 6-7-13. 46 SOG 10. NJ Henrique 6-6-12. 30 SOG 11. OTT Turris 3-9-12. 44 SOG 12. FLA Bjugstad 7-4-11. 53 SOG 13. BUF Girgensons 6-5-11. 40 SOG. 14. DET Datsyuk 5-6-11. 25 SOG (in 10 games) 15. MTL Desharnais 2-9-11. 22 SOGThe fewest goals. Tied for fewest pts. The fewest shots…less than 1 per game. In the most games played (23). Not to mention he's the smallest. I like DD. I can't argue with your statistics, they are probably right. If any team wants to give us Crosby or Stamkos or Tavares for dd, GREAT. Until then we find a better player or keep DD. He has skill, heart, team play and courage. He backchecks and takes few bad penalties. I was happy to see Bourque go and won't miss Moen at all but I have no desire to get rid of DD or Pleks for the sake of getting rid of them. I always support the theory that if somebody better comes along replace the weak link, but until then...............
You guys do the rest of the math. The only thing saving DD is his supporting cast. Those numbers are absolutely wretched. If MB has any hopes of truly contending this year, he has to do something about that position. Promoting Galchenyuk as the season progresses would be the logical choice, without making a splash deal. Or we wait and watch DD get checked into oblivion during the playoffs once again. Not his fault….he's just not big enough. I doubt he'd fare much better compared with the Western teams' #1s.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 24, 2014 12:31:46 GMT -5
All the players who played with DD from Pacioretty to Cole, to Vanek and now Parenteau mentioned how they enjoy playing on a line with Desharnais… Why? Because they produce there. If DD is only a by-product of Pacioretty than why do other players also produce at career high clip with DD… Is he a #1 center? Nope. He’s not paid as such nor is the center who receives the most icetime, on both account that player is Plekanec for the moment. Desharnais is a secondary offensive center , a role he plays very well IMO. I'm not being argumentative, Doc….but if he's secondary, why does he get primo PP time? Because of this magic with Pacioretty? How's our PP doing? The opposition shuts down our point men…mainly Subban….and we're toast. DD's easily checked, and loses the majority of battles...not because of his effort/heart….because of his stature. We need a legit #1 centre with size who has a nose for the net…can create/command room….not just looking to pass to his buddy. If DD plays the role of secondary offensive centre very well….then MB would be well-served to see who he can get for him, (or to see how many GMs feel the same way)...so we can get Galchenyuk in the centre mix. Just my opinion. I'm trying to be objective about it….but I've been feeling this way since the Rangers' series last year. You sure won't get an argument from me that the HABS need a #1 center. I've been saying for years that our centerline is a weakness (which is especially apparent in the playoffs). I've also been saying that Galchenyuk should be groomed there. I just don't agree we should disassemble our most prolific line to do that. I'd much rather see us adding to that line (which is really cheap for the production they give us) like trading for a top line sniper to play with Galchenyuk.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 24, 2014 13:06:52 GMT -5
Just did a comparison of Eastern Conference #1 centres. 1. PIT Crosby 8-18-26. 59 SOG 2. TB Stamkos 14-10-24. 77 SOG 3. CBJ Johansen 7-16-23. 51 SOG 4. NYI Tavares 8-12-20. 54 SOG 5. TOR Bozak 8-11-19. 49 SOG 6. WAS Backstrom 5-14-19. 36 SOG 7. BOS Bergeron 5-11-16. 63 SOG (Krejci, injured. 3-7-10. 25 SOG in 11 games.) 8. NYR Brassard 6-9-15. 36 SOG 9. CAR Staal 6-7-13. 46 SOG 10. NJ Henrique 6-6-12. 30 SOG 11. OTT Turris 3-9-12. 44 SOG 12. FLA Bjugstad 7-4-11. 53 SOG 13. BUF Girgensons 6-5-11. 40 SOG. 14. DET Datsyuk 5-6-11. 25 SOG (in 10 games) 15. MTL Desharnais 2-9-11. 22 SOGThe fewest goals. Tied for fewest pts. The fewest shots…less than 1 per game. In the most games played (23). Not to mention he's the smallest. You guys do the rest of the math. The only thing saving DD is his supporting cast. Those numbers are absolutely wretched. If MB has any hopes of truly contending this year, he has to do something about that position. Promoting Galchenyuk as the season progresses would be the logical choice, without making a splash deal. Or we wait and watch DD get checked into oblivion during the playoffs once again. Not his fault….he's just not big enough. I doubt he'd fare much better compared with the Western teams' #1s. Some interesting stat but I can't do the math unless i see the cap hits of each of these centres. DD is no doubt at the low end of many of these categories including cap hit. You get what you pay for and allow for more money for other players. Also don't see shoot out percentage in the data either. I'm no DD apologist but we should be fair to the guy. i'm more concerned with Max who is getting big bucks, wears a letter, and seems to show up occasionally.
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Post by frozone on Nov 24, 2014 13:06:53 GMT -5
When looking back to the 2012-2013 season, it doesn't make sense how DD has kept his spot as the team's #1 center. Eller outproduced DD in almost every capacity from the third line. Even into early 2013-2014, Eller was developing into a true #1. But then EGG was broken up, Eller's season went down the toilet and I think the damage has been pretty severe to his development. No one, not even myself at this point, would feel confident enough to rely on Eller indefinitely as our top line center. I truly believe that we lost our chance to push his development to the next level... and all in order to get DD going... something that we apparently have to do regularly, apparently.
To be clear, I'm not mad at DD. We have seen him play often enough to know what we have in him. I'm not even mad at MB - 3.5M is pretty good for a 50 pt centerman. My anger is towards MT for forcing DD into a role that he is ill-suited for, and hurting the development of other players in the process.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 24, 2014 13:14:49 GMT -5
So the Oilers are looking for a #1 centre. Does Pleks qualify? He certainly has the veteran status and is strong defensively. Who know what he could do with any of those first round draft picks of the Oil. We pick up a top 6 winger and get Chucky into centre.
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Post by franko on Nov 24, 2014 13:55:28 GMT -5
has skill, heart, team play and courage. He backchecks and takes a few bad penalties. is this DD or is it BooBoo? no one is talking about getting rid of them just to get rid of them . . . and I don't want to get rid of DD as much as I want someone on that line who is going to go to the net and make something happen . . . not just another person floating on the fringes *cough*Max*cough.
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Post by franko on Nov 24, 2014 13:56:49 GMT -5
Is he a #1 center? Nope. He’s not paid as such nor is the center who receives the most icetime, on both account that player is Plekanec for the moment. Desharnais is a secondary offensive center , a role he plays very well IMO. agreed. then why is he on the first line? is he that much better than our other secondary offensive centres? could they produce at a better level if they were only given the opportunity?
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Post by franko on Nov 24, 2014 14:00:04 GMT -5
Also don't see shoot out percentage in the data either. I don't care about the shootout because such a specialist is worthless in the playoffs. [/quote] no argument there
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Post by christrpn on Nov 25, 2014 19:38:34 GMT -5
I've grown tired of this argument. I have not seen anything that says Paciorretty produces more with DD than anyone else. Quite the opposite actually. I would LOVE to see what Patches could do with Eller and sekac. Especially on the PP. Sekac and Eller both have far superior board presence than DD. Habs will never win the Cup with DD centering your top line. MB has to figure something out because I don,t believe other GM's see DD as anything more than I do. They won't give up what we need on our team, a top RW. It will probably come from within the organisation. Which means we ride the DD boat and see what kind of player we actually have in McCarron. If, and I mean big if' he turns out to be that RW, then we can worry about trading DD (probably in his last year) for supporting role players. Tangradi types (who, by the way, was called up today) who fill out bottom six roles peretly and can take on PK duty, leaving PP and %v% to our top 6.
That pill may be hard to swallow, but MB seems to know what he wants and isn't afraid to go and get it. If he hasn't gotten that top 6 by trade by now, it's because they're too expensive or he seems content waiting to see what he has in his ranks.
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Post by PTH on Nov 25, 2014 22:23:04 GMT -5
All the players who played with DD from Pacioretty to Cole, to Vanek and now Parenteau mentioned how they enjoy playing on a line with Desharnais… Why? Because they produce there. If DD is only a by-product of Pacioretty than why do other players also produce at career high clip with DD… Is he a #1 center? Nope. He’s not paid as such nor is the center who receives the most icetime, on both account that player is Plekanec for the moment. Desharnais is a secondary offensive center , a role he plays very well IMO. Meh. Don't bother, Doc. People around here have decided that Desharnais is a horrible monster who eats babies for breakfast, and MT is a Cro-Magnon moron who can't coach worth a damn, and arguing that doesn't change anyone's perceptions...
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 25, 2014 22:32:37 GMT -5
All the players who played with DD from Pacioretty to Cole, to Vanek and now Parenteau mentioned how they enjoy playing on a line with Desharnais… Why? Because they produce there. If DD is only a by-product of Pacioretty than why do other players also produce at career high clip with DD… Is he a #1 center? Nope. He’s not paid as such nor is the center who receives the most icetime, on both account that player is Plekanec for the moment. Desharnais is a secondary offensive center , a role he plays very well IMO. Meh. Don't bother, Doc. People around here have decided that Desharnais is a horrible monster who eats babies for breakfast, and MT is a Cro-Magnon moron who can't coach worth a damn, and arguing that doesn't change anyone's perceptions... I don't think anyone has taken that approach in this thread. Speaking for myself as the originator of the DD topic, I haven't said any such thing that would draw the analogies you've stated. No one's beyond criticism when it's backed up with numbers/results. I acknowledge DD's desire, heart, drive. I'm always open to reasoned argument.
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Post by franko on Nov 25, 2014 22:53:13 GMT -5
All the players who played with DD from Pacioretty to Cole, to Vanek and now Parenteau mentioned how they enjoy playing on a line with Desharnais… Why? Because they produce there. If DD is only a by-product of Pacioretty than why do other players also produce at career high clip with DD… Is he a #1 center? Nope. He’s not paid as such nor is the center who receives the most icetime, on both account that player is Plekanec for the moment. Desharnais is a secondary offensive center , a role he plays very well IMO. Meh. Don't bother, Doc. People around here have decided that Desharnais is a horrible monster who eats babies for breakfast, and MT is a Cro-Magnon moron who can't coach worth a damn, and arguing that doesn't change anyone's perceptions... I had some snappy repartee ready to go, but instead I'll just say "I beg to differ". as to DD, my problem is that he gets paid to produce and that he isn't producing. as to MT, my problem is that he seems fairly set in his ways and rarely switches things that aren't working (like the PP) around. I give him his due that he has led the team to first place right now. that could change -- or not. same with DD. he could catch fire and lead the team in scoring from now until the end of the playoffs and we'd all be happy. as to his eating habits, what goes on in the kitchen stays in the kitchen
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Post by PTH on Nov 26, 2014 0:30:07 GMT -5
Meh. Don't bother, Doc. People around here have decided that Desharnais is a horrible monster who eats babies for breakfast, and MT is a Cro-Magnon moron who can't coach worth a damn, and arguing that doesn't change anyone's perceptions... I had some snappy repartee ready to go, but instead I'll just say "I beg to differ". as to DD, my problem is that he gets paid to produce and that he isn't producing. as to MT, my problem is that he seems fairly set in his ways and rarely switches things that aren't working (like the PP) around. I give him his due that he has led the team to first place right now. that could change -- or not. same with DD. he could catch fire and lead the team in scoring from now until the end of the playoffs and we'd all be happy. as to his eating habits, what goes on in the kitchen stays in the kitchen DD is producing for 40-something points, which is less than last season, but he's been known to have some dry spells. So what ? We're still first, and having a solid top 3 lines makes it much harder for teams to key onto a single line. I'd love to see Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher, but that leaves our other lines thin (and adds pressureto produce and defensive responsability to Galchenyuk that maybe he's not ready for quite yet) So what if DD isn't our top center and plays on the top line ? Right now we have our top 2 D together, but usually we'd rather have one on each of the top 2 pairings to have less of a dropoff between pairings, why not do the same up front ? As to Therrien, this is an offensively challenged team without high-end talent up front, yet he's got us at the top of the standings. What more could we really ask for ? And I doubt MB really traded away Moen and Bourque just to force MT to play other guys - I think both GM and coach knew that the veterans would get ice time ahead of Sekac or Bournival, and it just took a while to get decent enough deals for them (or in Bourque's case, to have given him a chance to show he wasn't going to get back on track). I'm always amazed how Bergevin always seems to be seen as doing everything right, yet MT is seen as screwing up a perfect hand, even though right now he's stuck with an old d-corps, that's not very good past the first handful. Allen, Gilbert and Weaver have all had bad stretches/games. Up front, we've got a handful of top-notch players, but after our top 4 forwards or so, it's not like there's anything left to write home about. Yet we're still #1. Coaching (and yes, goaltending) has to be a part of that.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 26, 2014 0:38:16 GMT -5
All the players who played with DD from Pacioretty to Cole, to Vanek and now Parenteau mentioned how they enjoy playing on a line with Desharnais… Why? Because they produce there. If DD is only a by-product of Pacioretty than why do other players also produce at career high clip with DD… Is he a #1 center? Nope. He’s not paid as such nor is the center who receives the most icetime, on both account that player is Plekanec for the moment. Desharnais is a secondary offensive center , a role he plays very well IMO. Meh. Don't bother, Doc. People around here have decided that Desharnais is a horrible monster who eats babies for breakfast, and MT is a Cro-Magnon moron who can't coach worth a damn, and arguing that doesn't change anyone's perceptions... That's close, though I wouldn't go so far as babies....infants perhaps. DD's criticism will stop, as it did last year, the moment he starts producing. As far as Therrien's coaching goes, it would be interesting, though I wouldn't care to actually try it, to see how well he coaches if Carey is hurt and unable to play. I believe I've conceded that Therrien is not an idiot. No NHL coach is, to get that far (well, maybe Milbury, but I digress). He's an average coach IMO, who has more weapons now than he ever had in the past and that can make a coach better because he can employ more tactics. The Toronto Raptors are a great example. Is Dwayne Casey a better coach than he was two years ago? Maybe a little better, but he now has 5 or 6 players who are better than any he had before that he can use after his starters to change the dynamics of a game. Therrien has Malhotra, who improves the PK just by shortening it by 20 to 30 seconds with face-off wins. Therrien didn't have that before and he uses it now. You're right PTH, in that we have very few players who can, at this time, consistently make a difference in a game. What we do have is many players who can make a difference in a specific game and have done so, before their inconsistency drops them off a notch. We can all point to guys who have played incredibly well (beside Carey, who is damn good almost all the time) in a particular game or two. Those guys have made the difference in those games, and Therrien has more of them available to him. He's added another weapon, I think we can all agree, since Sekac replaced Bourque. I'm also not in the camp that believes Berg traded Bourque to force Therrien to play Sekac, though it was a pleasant coincidence. I have to believe Berg wasn't happy with that situation, though. I still question why he was kept in the line-up as long as he was, turning three offensive lines into two. No one bit on Bourque until he was in Hamilton anyway, where he started to put up some points. Was that Bourque for Allen deal not available earlier on? Was Berg reluctant to pull the trigger until he finally did? Dunno. I do know that we are a much better team with Sekac than Bourque. Just as it's not the GM's job to coach, it's also not the coach's job to manage the roster to help out a potential trade. It's his job to win...which is why Tinordi and Beaulieu are not in the line-up, so we're told. As you can tell, that 7 game benching of Sekac still really annoys me. I also think Berg's a pretty good GM, not because almost all his trades have worked out, but because he's put a good management team into place. The amateur scouting, the development of our draftees, the professional scouting is all improved. His contracts have been reasonable overall (even DD's and PK's) and he's managed the CAP really well. He's going to blow a trade eventually, because it happens to the best (even Pollock), but overall he'll win more than he loses and that's pretty good in a GM's life. We don't have much to complain about, but I'm glad we're not satisfied with the status quo. Berg isn't and neither are we. Onward and upward.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 26, 2014 7:15:34 GMT -5
Meh. Don't bother, Doc. People around here have decided that Desharnais is a horrible monster who eats babies for breakfast, and MT is a Cro-Magnon moron who can't coach worth a damn, and arguing that doesn't change anyone's perceptions... I get that you are using exaggeration to make a point, but that's a little over the top and pretty silly if you ask me. You should know better. Nobody is suggesting that Desharnais is a monster who eats babies for breakfast. Babies are full of fat, and every professional athlete, even Desharnais, watches his diet. A guy his size can't afford to be adding empty calories like those found in dimples and giggles. No, Desharnais eats puppies, who are full of energy and protein. THOSE are good calories (albeit somewhat chewy).
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Post by franko on Nov 26, 2014 7:17:20 GMT -5
seems to me that we're on the same page. DD will eventually produce (hopefully) but it is frustrating that he isn't (he, isn't that what we said about Bourque?). MT has coached the team to first place even though his "first line centre" isn't producing. and when he does . . . and when the PP starts to work again . . . there are warts. we are keeping track of them. we are suggesting "cures". isn't that what we do
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