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Post by CentreHice on Nov 28, 2014 21:43:29 GMT -5
Not much to say. Flukey winning goal...but we were nowhere near as sharp as we can be.
No excuses for that effort against a bottom-feeder. Not with all the rest we had. We're either too tired or too rested.
2 goals in 2 games vs. Buffalo this year.
Can we lose again tomorrow to the Sabres? You bet we can.
Something is off....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 21:45:31 GMT -5
Decent third period, until Emelin's dangerous hit. Fortuitous bounce aside, we don't need to give the Sabres any more fuel than they need.
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 28, 2014 21:49:10 GMT -5
That's what happens when you fool around for 58.5 minutes. Not impressed
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Post by del on Nov 28, 2014 21:52:23 GMT -5
Is it the players or is it the coach? Could be both but it can't be neither.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 28, 2014 21:55:31 GMT -5
Emelin kind of pissed me off with that late hit ... totally selfish play late in the game that gave the advantage to the Sabres ... thought it might be a close game, but I honestly thought we would have won it had it gone to a shootout ... problem is, there are teams that play well against us, or teams we simply don't play well against ... the Sabres are probably pretty pumped for tomorrow's game in Montreal ... it might be different if the Habs score an early one, but even given that I suspect tomorrow's game will be another close one ... don't ask me why, just a feeling ...
Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 28, 2014 21:57:32 GMT -5
Is it the players or is it the coach? Could be both but it can't be neither. Can't say for sure, but maybe things will get a bit more consistent once Bergevin stops moving players in/out of the lineup ... dunno ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 28, 2014 21:59:40 GMT -5
I honestly don't think MT reads the flow of the game very well at all....i.e. giving more ice to players who "have it going".
I might be wrong...but it seems as if he keeps rolling the same 4 lines no matter what.
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Post by jkr on Nov 28, 2014 22:00:11 GMT -5
A number of guys aren't playing close to their potential.
Gallagher - 2 goals in his last 18 games
Subban - looks like he should be making 3 million, not nine. He looks indifferent, subdued to me. He got a contract that goes to a difference maker yet he is making no difference.
Emelin tonight - looked like a pylon on the 1st goal & in the box for the winner. I can't believe I was so anxious for this guy to come to North America. He should be sitting, not Gilbert.
There are others obviously, but there have been too many of these lackluster games. Maybe they aren't as good as we thought.
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Post by jkr on Nov 28, 2014 22:06:01 GMT -5
what did Prust do to get him self tossed?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 23:01:18 GMT -5
what did Prust do to get him self tossed? Still trying to figure that out.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 29, 2014 2:13:51 GMT -5
A number of guys aren't playing close to their potential. Gallagher - 2 goals in his last 18 games Subban - looks like he should be making 3 million, not nine. He looks indifferent, subdued to me. He got a contract that goes to a difference maker yet he is making no difference. Emelin tonight - looked like a pylon on the 1st goal & in the box for the winner. I can't believe I was so anxious for this guy to come to North America. He should be sitting, not Gilbert. There are others obviously, but there have been too many of these lackluster games. Maybe they aren't as good as we thought. I've been saying for weeks now that PK is not the same player. He is making on average about 6 million more than our other D and when you watch the game you wouldn't identify him as The Guy. Holding his own defensively but absolutely nothing offensively. When was the last time he rushed the puck into the offensive zone. He used to do it 4 or 5 times a game. This season it is rare. Did MT finally get to him or did he just have one hell of a summer? Very disappointing - not only due to the results but he used to be so exciting to watch with his high risk, high reward style. I'm nor going to criticize Gally as at least he always shows up. Emelin does does not have a high hockey IQ. In fact, I think he's a bit of a goof.
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 29, 2014 2:37:11 GMT -5
How did Tangradi look?
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 29, 2014 3:32:52 GMT -5
I don't want to repeat myself repeatedly...but it's worth repeating....
Our leadership is immature. They haven't grown up yet to match their talent level.
If they don't smarten up, particularly as the seasons progresses, all these wins and prancing on the hilltop....are going to be an empire of dirt......
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 29, 2014 3:38:49 GMT -5
I've been saying for weeks now that PK is not the same player. He is making on average about 6 million more than our other D and when you watch the game you wouldn't identify him as The Guy. Holding his own defensively but absolutely nothing offensively. When was the last time he rushed the puck into the offensive zone. He used to do it 4 or 5 times a game. This season it is rare. Did MT finally get to him or did he just have one hell of a summer? Very disappointing - not only due to the results but he used to be so exciting to watch with his high risk, high reward style. PK is slowed down by all that weight he gained during the summer. It's not easy hauling around a $72 million dollar contract. If the Habs backslide, it's going to get ugly in a hurry......
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Post by jkr on Nov 29, 2014 7:15:43 GMT -5
A number of guys aren't playing close to their potential. Gallagher - 2 goals in his last 18 games Subban - looks like he should be making 3 million, not nine. He looks indifferent, subdued to me. He got a contract that goes to a difference maker yet he is making no difference. Emelin tonight - looked like a pylon on the 1st goal & in the box for the winner. I can't believe I was so anxious for this guy to come to North America. He should be sitting, not Gilbert. There are others obviously, but there have been too many of these lackluster games. Maybe they aren't as good as we thought. I've been saying for weeks now that PK is not the same player. He is making on average about 6 million more than our other D and when you watch the game you wouldn't identify him as The Guy. Holding his own defensively but absolutely nothing offensively. When was the last time he rushed the puck into the offensive zone. He used to do it 4 or 5 times a game. This season it is rare. Did MT finally get to him or did he just have one hell of a summer? Very disappointing - not only due to the results but he used to be so exciting to watch with his high risk, high reward style. I'm nor going to criticize Gally as at least he always shows up. Emelin does does not have a high hockey IQ. In fact, I think he's a bit of a goof. I love Gallagher's effort too but he's got to start producing points. PK is a mystery. I said earlier that I don't believe it's the coaching. Why pay a guy 9 million to be the difference maker & then hold him back. Doesn't make sense. If the team was paying him half as much it would be too much right now. Is this what we have to look forward to over the next 8 years? Emelin should sit for a while. In large part he has to wear this loss. Right now a 40 year old Gonchar is playing better.
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Post by christrpn on Nov 29, 2014 7:21:16 GMT -5
what did Prust do to get him self tossed? When the linesman called an offside that wasn't, Prust let him know he made a mistake. He complained to a linesman about an offside. He got a two minute penalty, complained some more and got tossed.
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Post by franko on Nov 29, 2014 10:12:56 GMT -5
I don't want to repeat myself repeatedly...but it's worth repeating.... Our leadership is immature. They haven't grown up yet to match their talent level. are you suggesting that this team misses Gorges and Gio?
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Post by franko on Nov 29, 2014 10:24:25 GMT -5
I love Gallagher's effort too but he's got to start producing points. not to beat a dead horse, but in the last 10 games . . . last night DD took 1 shot; Gally took 3 -- though at least DD got an assist. DD is on the line that is supposed to score and lead; Gally is on the line that is supposed to provide supplementary scoring. I think I'm heading back to my "what is the coach thinking?" state of mind.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 29, 2014 11:11:38 GMT -5
Our leadership is immature. They haven't grown up yet to match their talent level. If they don't smarten up, particularly as the seasons progresses, all these wins and prancing on the hilltop....are going to be an empire of dirt...... Bergevin rolled the dice when he dumped the leadership of our club on the Chosen Four ... in addition to their new responsibilities, those guys also shoulder the huge expectations of the fans and the organization for success this year ... is that too much for newly-appointed leaders? ... might be for players who have never worn a letter at the NHL level, and who wear letters for the Montreal Canadiens ... I'm specifically referring to Pacioretty and Subban ... just pinning a letter on them doesn't make them leaders ... you know, yourself, leadership is a trait that is nurtured through experience and time under fire ... mind you, while I really liked the change in direction Bergevin made this year, both Gorges and Gionta were proven leaders and I think we're missing the leadership they provided while they were in Montreal ... it might take a bit of time to replace what they took with them ... I just hope this comes sooner rather than later ... Cheers.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 29, 2014 12:52:31 GMT -5
Our leadership is immature. They haven't grown up yet to match their talent level. If they don't smarten up, particularly as the seasons progresses, all these wins and prancing on the hilltop....are going to be an empire of dirt...... Bergevin rolled the dice when he dumped the leadership of our club on the Chosen Four ... in addition to their new responsibilities, those guys also shoulder the huge expectations of the fans and the organization for success this year ... is that too much for newly-appointed leaders? ... might be for players who have never worn a letter at the NHL level, and who wear letters for the Montreal Canadiens ... I'm specifically referring to Pacioretty and Subban ... just pinning a letter on them doesn't make them leaders ... you know, yourself, leadership is a trait that is nurtured through experience and time under fire ... mind you, while I really liked the change in direction Bergevin made this year, both Gorges and Gionta were proven leaders and I think we're missing the leadership they provided while they were in Montreal ... it might take a bit of time to replace what they took with them ... I just hope this comes sooner rather than later ... Cheers. Is your avatar a real Sports Illustrated cover? I must have missed that issue. Is the jinx in play? That would explain everything.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 29, 2014 12:55:57 GMT -5
I've been saying for weeks now that PK is not the same player. He is making on average about 6 million more than our other D and when you watch the game you wouldn't identify him as The Guy. Holding his own defensively but absolutely nothing offensively. When was the last time he rushed the puck into the offensive zone. He used to do it 4 or 5 times a game. This season it is rare. Did MT finally get to him or did he just have one hell of a summer? Very disappointing - not only due to the results but he used to be so exciting to watch with his high risk, high reward style. PK is slowed down by all that weight he gained during the summer. It's not easy hauling around a $72 million dollar contract. If the Habs backslide, it's going to get ugly in a hurry...... Do you speak form experience? I hauled around $500 once but it was only for about 30 minutes in Vegas. I agree that if our record was below 500 (and it might be shortly) the fans would be extremely restless and based on play this season PK would be public enemy #1.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 29, 2014 12:59:40 GMT -5
Bergevin rolled the dice when he dumped the leadership of our club on the Chosen Four ... in addition to their new responsibilities, those guys also shoulder the huge expectations of the fans and the organization for success this year ... is that too much for newly-appointed leaders? ... might be for players who have never worn a letter at the NHL level, and who wear letters for the Montreal Canadiens ... I'm specifically referring to Pacioretty and Subban ... just pinning a letter on them doesn't make them leaders ... you know, yourself, leadership is a trait that is nurtured through experience and time under fire ... mind you, while I really liked the change in direction Bergevin made this year, both Gorges and Gionta were proven leaders and I think we're missing the leadership they provided while they were in Montreal ... it might take a bit of time to replace what they took with them ... I just hope this comes sooner rather than later ... Cheers. Is your avatar a real Sports Illustrated cover? I must have missed that issue. Is the jinx in play? That would explain everything. I called a local newsstand and told them the date of the issue ... they told me it would probably be out this week ... I'm on my way out shortly and I'll let you know if I find one ... I wouldn't put too much into the photo ... PK probably did what the photographer asked him to do ... Cheers. Edit: HS, I've just been told that the new SI Canada editions come out on Thursday ... watch and shoot I guess ...
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Post by Skilly on Nov 29, 2014 14:47:37 GMT -5
There were a few instances in the game where Galchenyuk tried to make the fancy , highlight reel play, instead of passing or rifling a shot on net .... Not all goals have to be highlights.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 29, 2014 15:07:17 GMT -5
Re the Leadership question, it may simply take time for one of those 4 guys to emerge, if one does. A rocky interim may be normal, therefore, though you'd think the very point of Leadership is stepping up when needed, like right now. And we shouldn't forget that Leadership can come from coaching and management too, not just players.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 29, 2014 15:37:17 GMT -5
Do you speak form experience? I hauled around $500 once but it was only for about 30 minutes in Vegas. I agree that if our record was below 500 (and it might be shortly) the fans would be extremely restless and based on play this season PK would be public enemy #1. My wife says that I can't be trusted with money.....so I tell her that I should spend it all on blow and hookers..... My biggest concern was that PK will not live up to the hype he wants to be surrounded with. If I was GM or owner, the question of his failure to deliver would weigh heavily. In fact, I would consider a serious overpayment over signing him. Even now, I would consider any trade offers that was a net benefit. What was that old Greek saying they never said but I'm taking credit? Be careful what you wish for!
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 29, 2014 15:40:30 GMT -5
Re the Leadership question, it may simply take time for one of those 4 guys to emerge, if one does. A rocky interim may be normal, therefore, though you'd think the very point of Leadership is stepping up when needed, like right now. And we shouldn't forget that Leadership can come from coaching and management too, not just players. It seems to be very immature. We are either winning, or if close, put it another gear....or give up. A series of heroic comebacks and total collapses only happens......between the ears.....
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 29, 2014 16:13:52 GMT -5
PK has the ego, the penache and the life-distracting desire to want to be the best of all time ... the last player we had who felt that way might have been Patrick Roy, he wasn't as much in your face about it ... if PK wants to prove himself as such then he'll have to start proving it ... it doesn't matter what he's done in the past, he'll have to start winning some games for us again ... I'm not a fly on the wall so I can't tell you what's going on behind the scenes ... however, I do think that in addition to his contract, the perspective of being future captain of the Montreal Canadiens might be a distraction, as well ... you can't have more penache than that ... some of you have already noted that the guy is simply not himself ... I wouldn't mind seeing that superstar-in-rent-car side come out in him a little more often ...
Cheers.
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Post by jkr on Nov 29, 2014 16:18:55 GMT -5
There were a few instances in the game where Galchenyuk tried to make the fancy , highlight reel play, instead of passing or rifling a shot on net .... Not all goals have to be highlights. He's been driving me crazy. He gets good looks & opts for the low % pass. Just put it on net & see what happens.
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