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Post by UberCranky on Nov 29, 2014 22:10:06 GMT -5
Not impressed at all. Time for this team to give it's head a shake.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 22:12:07 GMT -5
I had a feeling that if it went to a shootout, Buffalo would find a way. Opportunities were there in OT but no finish.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 29, 2014 22:13:47 GMT -5
... we managed to steal a point against Buffalo ... oh great ... Galchenyuk is just dominant ... Sekac/Eller/Prust was strong on the puck all night ... it's not fair to Toker dressing Gonchar, Allen and Weaver all at the same time ... Enroth made the SO look easy ... what was wrong with giving Sekac a chance in the SO ...
Cheers.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 29, 2014 22:17:11 GMT -5
I didn't watch all the game yet but right off the bat.....Gonchar was a Dollar Store pylon on the 3rd goal.
I have to decide if I want to buy the French package....but I'll be pretty pissed off if I'm deleting game after game of sloppy seconds....
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Post by jkr on Nov 29, 2014 22:17:27 GMT -5
A couple of weeks ago I was laughing at Toronto for getting spanked by the Sabres. Now the Habs can only manage one point. I don't care how many shots they had. They lost to Buffalo 2 days in a row. The only lead they had in either game came tonight & lasted 49 seconds. Pathetic.
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Post by blny on Nov 29, 2014 22:18:56 GMT -5
Desperately need to add another finisher. It's one thing to buzz around and creating shots and scoring chances. We need more finish.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 29, 2014 22:19:32 GMT -5
I didn't see the game…but my first thought was...Enroth can play back-to-back games but one of the best goalies on the planet, after 5 days rest, can't? I see Toker gave up 2 goals on something like 5 shots in the third period.
Whatever….it could very well get a lot worse this week.
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 29, 2014 22:25:27 GMT -5
All these trades and moves and our defense sure looked old and lame. Cant believe no room for Beaulieu or Tinordi
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 29, 2014 22:26:51 GMT -5
I'm not going to be too hard on them. They dominated the last 2 periods and came up against a hot and lucky goalie, and how many posts. A couple of gaffs and Buff scores. Don't know if Toker had to make many great saves. Enroth had to make at least 10. Not blaming Toker. He certainly did his bit in the SO.
Blame BGal for the third goal and turning it over at our blue line. Blame Allen for the second goal - he should try moving his feet. He's so slow, often has his shot/pass/dump in blocked at the point, and rarely uses his size.
Sekac and Chucky will be monsters. Don't know why Sekac isn't used in SO. Has he ever been? Maybe he doesn't do well in practice.
AND FINALLY we see some of the PK of old! Man is that fun to watch.
Max no show again!
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 29, 2014 22:29:35 GMT -5
Pacioretty got a goal, didn't he?
How was DD…I see he got almost 20:00 of ice.
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Post by Disp on Nov 29, 2014 22:33:33 GMT -5
Bad play in front of both nets. More net drive and we win this going away. Better coverage in front of Toker and we win anyways.
The perimeter offense is just so damn predictable. It's easy to defend, even Buffalo can do it.
Shoot and everyone else drive to the net. All of the goals were a direct result of that, but even on Pac's goal, he wasn't stopping, hit it in on a flyby.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 29, 2014 22:44:22 GMT -5
Bad play in front of both nets. More net drive and we win this going away. Better coverage in front of Toker and we win anyways. The perimeter offense is just so damn predictable. It's easy to defend, even Buffalo can do it. Shoot and everyone else drive to the net. All of the goals were a direct result of that, but even on Pac's goal, he wasn't stopping, hit it in on a flyby. Stop stealing my mind...... We are back to perimeter dancing.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 29, 2014 22:44:28 GMT -5
In only 8 of our 25 games have we scored first.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 22:52:15 GMT -5
To be honest, I was hoping Gionta would have scored on his shootout attempt. Would have been fitting.
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Post by jkr on Nov 29, 2014 22:53:05 GMT -5
In only 8 of our 25 games have we scored first. They never seem ready to go. And tonight they gave up two good scoring chances after they scored. Emelin gave the puck away right after Gallagher's goal & then they give up the tying goal 49 seconds after taking the lead with their 3rd goal. That 49 seconds was the only time they had the lead in these two games! Unbelievable. Is it a lack of concentration, preparation - I don't know but it's costing them points for sure.
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Post by jkr on Nov 29, 2014 22:55:42 GMT -5
I'm not going to be too hard on them. They dominated the last 2 periods and came up against a hot and lucky goalie, and how many posts. A couple of gaffs and Buff scores. Don't know if Toker had to make many great saves. Enroth had to make at least 10. Not blaming Toker. He certainly did his bit in the SO. Blame BGal for the third goal and turning it over at our blue line. Blame Allen for the second goal - he should try moving his feet. He's so slow, often has his shot/pass/dump in blocked at the point, and rarely uses his size. Sekac and Chucky will be monsters. Don't know why Sekac isn't used in SO. Has he ever been? Maybe he doesn't do well in practice. AND FINALLY we see some of the PK of old! Man is that fun to watch. Max no show again! They need to change up the SO. My sons were predicting the moves by Desharnais & Eller before they even left centre ice. And Plekanec's attempt was so lame he should be off the SO list permanently.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 29, 2014 23:03:32 GMT -5
I'm not going to be too hard on them. They dominated the last 2 periods and came up against a hot and lucky goalie, and how many posts. A couple of gaffs and Buff scores. Don't know if Toker had to make many great saves. Enroth had to make at least 10. Not blaming Toker. He certainly did his bit in the SO. Blame BGal for the third goal and turning it over at our blue line. Blame Allen for the second goal - he should try moving his feet. He's so slow, often has his shot/pass/dump in blocked at the point, and rarely uses his size. Sekac and Chucky will be monsters. Don't know why Sekac isn't used in SO. Has he ever been? Maybe he doesn't do well in practice. AND FINALLY we see some of the PK of old! Man is that fun to watch. Max no show again! They need to change up the SO. My sons were predicting the moves by Desharnais & Eller before they even left centre ice. And Plekanec's attempt was so lame he should be off the SO list permanently. I'd add Parenteau as predictable as well ... he went for his patent move and Enroth was prepared for it ... you think Gionta and Gorges schooled the Sabres on how to play Monteal? ... brutal ... Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 23:31:05 GMT -5
All these trades and moves and our defense sure looked old and lame. Cant believe no room for Beaulieu or Tinordi I'm not certain how Tinordi isn't in the line up. Attitude problem? He skates well for a guy his size.
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Post by PTH on Nov 30, 2014 0:24:56 GMT -5
Overall a strong game, but the Sabres got a few lucky bounces and we didn't.
Still, Allen and Weaver are a horribly slow pairing. I'm ok with either - Allen has size and some skill, but is slow, while Weaver is reasonably mobile but skill and size aren't there. But both together... are painful to watch. And that's coming from a guy who's happy not seeing Tom Gilbert in the lineup.
Sekac will be on a top-2 line by the end of the season. I don't know who'd he be taking over from though. Parenteau ?
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Nov 30, 2014 5:24:01 GMT -5
I think its easy to be too critical because of these two games, Montreal always have problems with Buffalo and just one of those teams they match up poorly against. Montreal certainly dominated most of the play in both games, won the majority of the faceoffs by a large margin, and the young guys looked confdent and played key minutes. Buffalo were huge in blocked shots, Enroff made big saves and got lucky when needed. If the play, chances and effort had been reversed I would be more worried.
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Post by franko on Nov 30, 2014 9:30:01 GMT -5
I think that this is how Bruins fans must feel after they play us.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 30, 2014 10:31:18 GMT -5
Two recurring themes this season: slow starts and an empty power play. Last night, same thing.
You always take the chance you'll hit a goalie on a hot night...regardless of his actual skill level.
Pickard or Berra might do the same in Denver. If we come out sleeping again, the Avs have the weapons up front to make it 18 games of giving up the first goal(s).
Good luck on the PP again....Colorado is 3rd in PK%....and we have to be dead last with only 2 road PP goals.
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Post by stoat on Nov 30, 2014 11:47:11 GMT -5
Not impressed at all. Time for this team to give it's head a shake. I think you're disappointed that the Habs didn't come away with 4 points. IMO the loss(es) can be imputed largely to Enroth's goaltending. The Habs applied pressure but didn't score as much as they might have. The Sabres played well for a last place team. Depending on their luck in the 2015 draft, the Sabres could move up a few notches in the East. I'm relieved the losses were to the Sabres instead of the Bruins or Lightning.
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Post by stoat on Nov 30, 2014 11:59:15 GMT -5
All these trades and moves and our defense sure looked old and lame. Cant believe no room for Beaulieu or Tinordi Do you really think it would have made a difference? If Beaulieu and Tinordi had been playing well they wouldn't have been shunted aside.The Habs aren't in a leading position where they can afford to coast and allow them to gain experience. If they were all but eliminated from the playoffs I would have used them and even called up more of the young Bulldogs. Frankly, like many Hab fans, I expected Beaulieu and Tinordi to more advanced at this point in their careers. Maybe we've overrated them compared to, say, the Sabres young D men.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 30, 2014 14:06:41 GMT -5
All these trades and moves and our defense sure looked old and lame. Cant believe no room for Beaulieu or Tinordi I'd like to know Bergevin's long-range vision for this season ... if it involves a Cup I can't see Tinordi/Beaulieu being left out ... just watching how slow our new-look, experienced defence corps looks right now, I think it might be a good idea to make room for both Tinner and Beau sometime later this season ... keeping them in Hamilton keeps them playing and they needn't clear reentry waivers when being recalled ... in this context I might understand the business a bit better ... just wish to see them in Montreal more ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 30, 2014 14:15:39 GMT -5
All these trades and moves and our defense sure looked old and lame. Cant believe no room for Beaulieu or Tinordi Do you really think it would have made a difference? If Beaulieu and Tinordi had been playing well they wouldn't have been shunted aside.The Habs aren't in a leading position where they can afford to coast and allow them to gain experience. If they were all but eliminated from the playoffs I would have used them and even called up more of the young Bulldogs. Frankly, like many Hab fans, I expected Beaulieu and Tinordi to more advanced at this point in their careers. Maybe we've overrated them compared to, say, the Sabres young D men. BH is high on Tyler Meyers and I thought Meyers had a pretty good series against us ... big-time presence on the ice, physically ... that said, I thought the Sabres played rope-a-dope perfectly ... they had a hot goaltender and that's what counts to most in that strategy ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 30, 2014 15:25:11 GMT -5
Dave Hodge….FWIW. Just a re-iteration of our blowout losses, with the exception of Friday's game in Buffalo. Thumbs down to the Montreal Canadiens, whose general manager Marc Bergevin was praised when he unloaded the contracts of Travis Moen and Rene Bourque for two players unsigned beyond this season, Sergei Gonchar and Bryan Allen. Well, Bergevin must tackle a larger task to maintain his reputation as one of the NHL's shrewdest front-office bosses--he has to decide what's wrong with his team, because something is wrong. The standings say otherwise when they place the Habs at the top of the Eastern Conference, and the 16 wins that got them there include some impressive performances. But the seven losses in regulation time are a large gravy stain on the CH crest. In those seven games, the Canadiens have managed to score a grand total of four goals. It looks like a misprint, and so does the number of goals allowed in those 60-minute defeats--32. Bergevin has shown he can get rid of contracts, but now he has to identify and get rid of a problem, whatever it is.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 30, 2014 16:24:26 GMT -5
All these trades and moves and our defense sure looked old and lame. Cant believe no room for Beaulieu or Tinordi Do you really think it would have made a difference? If Beaulieu and Tinordi had been playing well they wouldn't have been shunted aside.The Habs aren't in a leading position where they can afford to coast and allow them to gain experience. If they were all but eliminated from the playoffs I would have used them and even called up more of the young Bulldogs. Frankly, like many Hab fans, I expected Beaulieu and Tinordi to more advanced at this point in their careers. Maybe we've overrated them compared to, say, the Sabres young D men. Out of curiousity I checked both Mark Giordano and TJ Brodie's progress and it took both until their 3rd season before they were regulars with Calgary. I don't think Beaulieu or Tinordi are behind schedule. Also keep in mind Calgary's defense when those guys joined, was hardly deep, so they'd have been played out of necessity, something we haven't had to do because of existing veterans.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Nov 30, 2014 16:28:11 GMT -5
Every team has problems and Montreal is no different. The goal differential, the lopsided losses and the continually giving up the first goal can all be directed to the horrible lack of a powerplay so far this year. Guys that are counted on to spark the offense such as PK and DD have not been productive and they need to get their game going. I don't think it is anything major wrong that can't be fixed without a panic setting in.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 30, 2014 18:25:16 GMT -5
Dave Hodge….FWIW. Just a re-iteration of our blowout losses, with the exception of Friday's game in Buffalo. Thumbs down to the Montreal Canadiens, whose general manager Marc Bergevin was praised when he unloaded the contracts of Travis Moen and Rene Bourque for two players unsigned beyond this season, Sergei Gonchar and Bryan Allen. Well, Bergevin must tackle a larger task to maintain his reputation as one of the NHL's shrewdest front-office bosses--he has to decide what's wrong with his team, because something is wrong. The standings say otherwise when they place the Habs at the top of the Eastern Conference, and the 16 wins that got them there include some impressive performances. But the seven losses in regulation time are a large gravy stain on the CH crest. In those seven games, the Canadiens have managed to score a grand total of four goals. It looks like a misprint, and so does the number of goals allowed in those 60-minute defeats--32. Bergevin has shown he can get rid of contracts, but now he has to identify and get rid of a problem, whatever it is. Gotta agree. It seems Hodge has condensed our concerns about the team in once succinct statistic....4 goals in 7 losses. While some of those are against good teams, really, what does it matter? We aren't scoring when it counts. It's a serious problem. The additions of Allen and Gonchar haven't added much to the team, although Gonchar may be playing too many minutes from what I've read, but there's no question that our defense is too old and too slow. While our CAP space was improved, helping us to sign Gallagher long term and leaving room to re-sign Galchenyuk, It hasn't made our defense any better. I feel comfortable with Markov, PK and Weaver. I'm not sure about Gilbert and Emelin seems to be cornering the market on dumb decisions lately. Gonchar is fine with limited minutes (wasn't that the same issue with Bouillon?) and Allen may come around or not (probably not). We have two, maybe 3 with Nygren, NHL capable dmen in Hamilton and no room in Montreal for them. Is Berg's plan to shuttle some of the vets off to playoff bound teams with injuries, at the trade deadline? If so, then a lot of this makes sense. If not, they're taking up a lot of real estate that's going to look older and slower in April.
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