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Post by CentreHice on Dec 6, 2014 21:49:00 GMT -5
No shows for 40-minutes...17 shots generated on the worst defensive team in the league.
And MT not going with his best faceoff man for that final draw of the second period.
A rec coach would know that....
Now in 3rd place in the division....and Toronto is 5 pts. back with 3 games in hand.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 21:51:29 GMT -5
What is with this schedule? Four games in six nights, and next week we only play twice (Tuesday and Friday). Yeah, okay.
Goals, please. 74GF and 76GA on the year now. Our loss and Detroit's win now puts us at 3rd in the Atlantic.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 6, 2014 21:52:39 GMT -5
Not counting shootouts, we have 70 goals for, 75 goal against. That's a pace for less than 200 goals for ....
Does Bergevin need any more evidence that we need a goal scorer, .... And we are too old on defense. Bring up Beaulieau and Tinordi
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 21:55:48 GMT -5
Not counting shootouts, we have 70 goals for, 75 goal against. That's a pace for less than 200 goals for .... Does Bergevin need any more evidence that we need a goal scorer, .... And we are too old on defense. Bring up Beaulieau and Tinordi I was hoping that by getting rid of Bouillon and Gorges, there would be ample opportunity for Tinordi and Beaulieu to shine. So...why haven't they? Why pile up on aging, slow d-men?
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 6, 2014 21:56:02 GMT -5
Not counting shootouts, we have 70 goals for, 75 goal against. That's a pace for less than 200 goals for .... Does Bergevin need any more evidence that we need a goal scorer, .... And we are too old on defense. Bring up Beaulieau and Tinordi Bingo. We can't keep this defense until the deadline....because we'll be out of the race. At least MT changed up the lines for the third period...and had Galchenyuk at centre with Gallagher and Pacioretty. With Eller's injury, that MUST happen....and hopefully he leaves it that way.
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Post by jkr on Dec 6, 2014 22:02:22 GMT -5
Not counting shootouts, we have 70 goals for, 75 goal against. That's a pace for less than 200 goals for .... Does Bergevin need any more evidence that we need a goal scorer, .... And we are too old on defense. Bring up Beaulieau and Tinordi I was hoping that by getting rid of Bouillon and Gorges, there would be ample opportunity for Tinordi and Beaulieu to shine. So...why haven't they? Why pile up on aging, slow d-men? Well at least Allen hasn't played the last 2 games. I understand the Allen deal from a cap space perspective. He just doesn't have to play that often.
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Post by jkr on Dec 6, 2014 22:05:12 GMT -5
What is with this schedule? Four games in six nights, and next week we only play twice (Tuesday and Friday). Yeah, okay. Goals, please. 74GF and 76GA on the year now. Our loss and Detroit's win now puts us at 3rd in the Atlantic. Detroit came from behind to beat the Rangers tonight. They killed off 5.30 of penalties in the 3rd including 2:30 of 5 on 3. Babcock came close to losing it after the 2nd 5 on 3. He mimicked St. Louis' head snap ( not called of course). Nice to see a coach ragging on the referees.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 6, 2014 22:11:32 GMT -5
With the exception of Chicago the team hasn't looked all that interested on this road trip ... everyone seems to be walking on egg shells for some reason ... I don't know when they'll come out of this but I'm hoping they'll be a stronger group for it ... however, tonight our team looked like the Panthers ... they just don't seem themselves ... too many moves? ...
Cheers.
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Post by jkr on Dec 6, 2014 22:16:05 GMT -5
I don't think it's the trades. It's just Moen & Bourque. And it the beginning I think we were liking Gonchar.
As was pointed out, they are on pace for less than 200 goals. As the telecast showed tonight, there are about 6-7 guys on 1 for 10 ( or worse) goal scoring slumps. And they are getting no offense at all from the bottom of the lineup. For heaven's sakes Malhotra doesn't even have a single point this season. Good teams get scoring up & down the lineup.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 22:23:39 GMT -5
I don't think it's the trades. It's just Moen & Bourque. And it the beginning I think we were liking Gonchar. As was pointed out, they are on pace for less than 200 goals. As the telecast showed tonight, there are about 6-7 guys on 1 for 10 ( or worse) goal scoring slumps. And they are getting no offense at all from the bottom of the lineup. For heaven's sakes Malhotra doesn't even have a single point this season. Good teams get scoring up & down the lineup. We should have enough firepower up front to at least generating a fair share of scoring chances every game. Tonight they only managed 17 shots on goal.
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 6, 2014 22:25:54 GMT -5
It's not important if we win or lose, as long as we enjoy the journey....
....and never forget that wearing a hard hat prevents gonorhhea.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 6, 2014 22:33:20 GMT -5
It's also unfortunate that this "malaise" has taken place as the franchise's flagship leader lies in wake.
Pride and inspiration can go a long way. At least it used to.
We're not this bad.
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Post by franko on Dec 6, 2014 22:33:20 GMT -5
tonight our team looked like the Panthers nope, they didn't look that good. 3-6-1, Habs, last 10 games 5-3-2, FLA, last 10 games
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 6, 2014 22:40:54 GMT -5
tonight our team looked like the Panthers nope, they didn't look that good. 3-6-1, Habs, last 10 games 5-3-2, FLA, last 10 games I predicted a 1-3-1 string after last Friday's loss to the Sabres…and how I wish I hadn't been correct. I thought we'd beat Buffalo, get the single against the Avs, and lose to Minnesota, Chicago, and Dallas. Next week will be an emotional one…with two tough teams coming in. Tuesday: Vancouver….good luck beating Miller the way the Leafs did tonight. Apparently, Bernier stood on his head…stopping 44 shots. Wednesday: Beliveau's funeral. Friday: Los Angeles….yikes.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 6, 2014 23:14:28 GMT -5
I was hoping that by getting rid of Bouillon and Gorges, there would be ample opportunity for Tinordi and Beaulieu to shine. So...why haven't they? Why pile up on aging, slow d-men? Well at least Allen hasn't played the last 2 games. I understand the Allen deal from a cap space perspective. He just doesn't have to play that often. Molasses moves faster on ice than 6 of our 7 defense .... A knock on Tinordi was skating, we Beaulieu and Tinordi are the second and third fastest defensemen we have
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 23:33:33 GMT -5
Well at least Allen hasn't played the last 2 games. I understand the Allen deal from a cap space perspective. He just doesn't have to play that often. Molasses moves faster on ice than 6 of our 7 defense .... A knock on Tinordi was skating, we Beaulieu and Tinordi are the second and third fastest defensemen we have Was that your observation, Skilly? I thought Tinordi moved well for a guy his size.
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Post by stoat on Dec 7, 2014 0:22:02 GMT -5
Not counting shootouts, we have 70 goals for, 75 goal against. That's a pace for less than 200 goals for .... Does Bergevin need any more evidence that we need a goal scorer, .... And we are too old on defense. Bring up Beaulieau and Tinordi Why? What kind of offense do you expect from them (particularly Tinordi)? Who can drill it into him? Beaulieu has been no great shakes either. You've seen young Dmen on other teams do better than both. I wouldn't give up on them but my projections aren't as rosy as they once were.
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Post by blny on Dec 7, 2014 0:58:51 GMT -5
I can live with the defense, but the lack of scoring is atrocious. PAP and DD haven't been good enough. I'd scratch them both for a game and see if that shakes the cobwebs off. Give them both mysterious 'upper body' injuries for a game.
Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher Sekac-Plekanec-Andrighetto Prust-Malhotra-Weise Tangradi-Hudon-Bowman
If Bournival is ready, let him play. Too many comfortable people.
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 7, 2014 2:57:24 GMT -5
With the exception of Chicago the team hasn't looked all that interested on this road trip ... everyone seems to be walking on egg shells for some reason ... I don't know when they'll come out of this but I'm hoping they'll be a stronger group for it ... however, tonight our team looked like the Panthers ... they just don't seem themselves ... too many moves? ... Cheers. They better damn well snap out of it Tuesday for Le Gros Bill. If they play 59 minutes of engaged hockey I will still be pissed off! I want, require, demand a full 60 on Tuesday!!!
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Post by seventeen on Dec 7, 2014 3:09:26 GMT -5
I can live with the defense, but the lack of scoring is atrocious. PAP and DD haven't been good enough. I'd scratch them both for a game and see if that shakes the cobwebs off. Give them both mysterious 'upper body' injuries for a game. Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher Sekac-Plekanec-Andrighetto Prust-Malhotra-Weise Tangradi-Hudon-Bowman If Bournival is ready, let him play. Too many comfortable people. Two goals and an assist for Bournival in a win over the Marlies Saturday. Hudon had a goal and two assists and leads the AHL in scoring, albeit with a couple of extra games played over those trailing him.
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 7, 2014 3:42:24 GMT -5
I can live with the defense, but the lack of scoring is atrocious. PAP and DD haven't been good enough. I'd scratch them both for a game and see if that shakes the cobwebs off. Give them both mysterious 'upper body' injuries for a game. Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher Sekac-Plekanec-Andrighetto Prust-Malhotra-Weise Tangradi-Hudon-Bowman If Bournival is ready, let him play. Too many comfortable people. Two goals and an assist for Bournival in a win over the Marlies Saturday. Hudon had a goal and two assists and leads the AHL in scoring, albeit with a couple of extra games played over those trailing him. So why did Andri get the call?
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Post by Disp on Dec 7, 2014 8:26:32 GMT -5
Ghetto's goal highlights a problem with this team, at least for me. Most of our guys don't even try to do that. They just peel off to the open spot, which with the way every team plays defence, is away from the prime scoring area. Very little net drive, with or without the puck.
Pleks has been terrible for awhile now as well. When he and the 2 G's have the puck in the offensive zone, a pass to him on the cycle usually means the puck is turned over and the play heads the other way. Gallagher is first on the puck, controls it, passes off, rotates high, then ends up playing defence in a typical center role in our end. It's good solid hockey by Gallagher, and you have to play that way to be successful, but it shows just how ineffective Pleks is in tight quarters.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 7, 2014 10:06:00 GMT -5
Molasses moves faster on ice than 6 of our 7 defense .... A knock on Tinordi was skating, we Beaulieu and Tinordi are the second and third fastest defensemen we have Was that your observation, Skilly? I thought Tinordi moved well for a guy his size. Exactly, ... He skates better than most of the defense we have
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 7, 2014 13:07:01 GMT -5
This is what I find confusing. MB picks up two aging players for two players who were not playing regularly for the Habs. The two he picks up are inserted in the line-up immediately as if there some saviours and all the D are moved down a notch on depth chart. I include PK and Markov as both are getting less PP time now. Don't mind that if the new players are worthy of causing such a TOI change for everyone including sending some down to the minors. BUT, the two guys MB picked up were not playing these kind of minutes for the teams they came from and they were worse teams than the Habs. MB must think a lot of himself and his talent evaluation, that he can make 2 trades and in each of them dump a player we weren't using and pick up a player that would be playing way more minutes with us than their former team and push other players out.
So unless MB is the next Sam Pollock what he thinks Gonchar and Allen could bring to this team is extremely unrealistic. There is a reason MB could get these guys for two washed up Habs who couldn't contribute. Most assumed the trades were about clearing cap space for next year (and dumping Bourque), and were good with that. But to guild the lily and insert them in the line up with regular shifts is foolishness. Gonchar should be a 5th or 6th dman with PP time and Allen should be in Hamilton.
Like others have said, i would rather be grooming Tinner and Beau while they make mental errors than watching old slow Dman who can no longer play the game.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 7, 2014 16:48:47 GMT -5
MB has a number of very good hockey people around him, could they not figure out what is wrong with the PP and the continual embarrasment of being invisible for the 1st 2 periods of every game, because it's obvious the coaches don't have a clue on how to fix it. Maybe these players need a task master.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 7, 2014 17:21:53 GMT -5
MB has a number of very good hockey people around him, could they not figure out what is wrong with the PP and the continual embarrasment of being invisible for the 1st 2 periods of every game, because it's obvious the coaches don't have a clue on how to fix it. Maybe these players need a task master. They have a task master. That's Therrien's management style and it didn't succeed before. I believe he's toned it down, so he has learned something from his past experience. I'm having trouble figuring out if the team is having trouble because of the tools that Therrien has to work with, or if it's him that's using the wrong tools. A little of both maybe. I wonder if he doesn't know how to handle some of the tools, replaces them with inferior tools and therefore produces less than satisfactory results. My apologies to all carpenters out there for the analogy.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 7, 2014 17:29:13 GMT -5
MT is not a tactician so he needs to be a motivator but it doesn't even look like he's doing that so what purpose does he serve? The brain trust beget be helping to get this mess sorted out. I wonder if the room is getting divided with the 4 A's. I see no reason for the lackadaisical starts to each game.
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Post by del on Dec 7, 2014 19:02:02 GMT -5
MB has a number of very good hockey people around him, could they not figure out what is wrong with the PP and the continual embarrasment of being invisible for the 1st 2 periods of every game, because it's obvious the coaches don't have a clue on how to fix it. Maybe these players need a task master. They have a task master. That's Therrien's management style and it didn't succeed before. I believe he's toned it down, so he has learned something from his past experience. I'm having trouble figuring out if the team is having trouble because of the tools that Therrien has to work with, or if it's him that's using the wrong tools. A little of both maybe. I wonder if he doesn't know how to handle some of the tools, replaces them with inferior tools and therefore produces less than satisfactory results. My apologies to all carpenters out there for the analogy. A very clever and veiled post, 17, I mean beyond brilliant..... calling Therrien a tool.............oops, I hope I didn't misinterpret here, silly me ...sorry if I did!
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 7, 2014 19:47:28 GMT -5
We were number one or two in the league the first 20 games....now we are 11th and droping faster then Kim Kardashians butt.
Wonderful coaching and leadership.......
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 7, 2014 19:56:49 GMT -5
At times like this…i.e. when a coach can't correct problem areas...I remember that the elite talent-laden Pittsburgh Penguins had to fire him the year after going to the Finals.
How could he lose a room like that…after enjoying tremendous success the year before?
As soon as Bylsma took over…BOOM….a ridiculous run all the way to a parade. Obviously, players stop responding to certain tactics/strategies.
I'm not saying that IS the case now…but it's reminding me of it….and I'm sure Bergevin is keeping a close eye on that aspect.
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