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Post by CentreHice on Dec 18, 2014 22:49:28 GMT -5
Other than Subban being jobbed by the refs twice after we tied it (and Boudreau complained).....we're in big trouble if Max is out for long.
I'm guessing shoulder.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 22:51:41 GMT -5
This loss is souring on multiple levels. If there's no penalty on Pacioretty, there needs to be a hearing on that hit. It's late, and it's dangerous.
Perhaps if we had a coach like Boudreau we'd get those gifted PPs.
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Post by Anardil1 on Dec 18, 2014 23:03:10 GMT -5
This loss is souring on multiple levels. If there's no penalty on Pacioretty, there needs to be a hearing on that hit. It's late, and it's dangerous. Perhaps if we had a coach like Boudreau we'd get those gifted PPs. The Habs did get a gift PP after MT complained to the refs about the Patches non call. The thing is, that Boudreau did the same after the penalty call that created the tying goal, and voila! A call on Subban. The 2nd interference call on Subban was total BS, plain and simple. Not expecting good news on Patches. Looks to me like a shoulder or rib injury IMHO.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 18, 2014 23:03:15 GMT -5
Only PK gets called for that play at that time of the game.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 18, 2014 23:07:41 GMT -5
The refs called a penalty on the Ducks after Therrien complained about the non-call on Stoner hitting Pacioretty.
Sometimes the refs knows they've blown it and they make a chintzy call right away....which is also shoddy officiating, IMO.
Just heard on TSN690 post-game commentary....that our "A"s don't really have a great relationship with the refs. A legit point.
Subban? Nope.
Pleks? Nope.
Markov? Not vocal enough.
Pacioretty? Maybe...
EDIT: Just heard that Max has been taken to hospital for tests.
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Post by Disp on Dec 18, 2014 23:15:01 GMT -5
No other Norris trophy winner gets called for those 2 cheesy penalties. They tend to get a little more respect. You'd almost think PK is ......, oh wait......
Not that it's much consolation, I've seen the guys play much, much, worse and win.
If that's the way most of the ducks games are called, no wonder they're the top team.
At least the leaves lost, to Carolina.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 18, 2014 23:18:34 GMT -5
Another one-goal win for the Ducks ... that's the kind of team Therrien wish he had ... disappointed with the effort ... that was a winnable game ... Ottawa is up next and they generally play us well ...
Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 23:25:38 GMT -5
Just heard on TSN690 post-game commentary....that our "A"s don't really have a great relationship with the refs. A legit point. Subban? Nope. Pleks? Nope. Markov? Not vocal enough. Pacioretty? Maybe... EDIT: Just heard that Max has been taken to hospital for tests. Did they go into details as of why? Or is this going back to embellishment?
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Post by Disp on Dec 18, 2014 23:57:17 GMT -5
Lebrun is saying there will be nothing for Stoner.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 0:06:22 GMT -5
Lebrun is saying there will be nothing for Stoner. If true, CH totally called it. Unbelievable.
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 19, 2014 1:18:59 GMT -5
Except for the first (what else is new) I thought the boys played well and deserved 2 points. BGal was a stud and honoured the #11 appropriately. Prust was engaged and had some great chances.
However some of the Boys did not play well. Fourth line and Tangradi in particular were horrible on that extended shift which cost us a goal and a time out in the first. Bourni struggled throughout the game. Max continued to be erratic with his puck handling and passes.
But i save the last for the biggest disappointment: PK. I really hope he is having an off season. i don't care about the penalties - ya they were weak calls but what did PK do tonight. The same he's done all season. NOTHING. Ya he's alright in his own zone when he doesn't create a high risk turnover, but he is providing nothing offensively. If he wants to play like that then give him $3 million and i'll shut up. But he's getting $9 million. If i took a knowledgeable hockey fan from Europe to a Habs game and said one of these players is earning $9 million, well more than double if not triple the other players, few would be able to say it was PK after the game. Perhaps he's lived up to it in a handful of games, if that. As has been said by others before, if he wants the big bucks then he better deliver the big play or expect the big criticism.
Pretty sure Max injury will be mid body; rib, hip pointer,
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Post by PTH on Dec 19, 2014 1:30:26 GMT -5
Yup, Tangradi really showed why he was in the AHL when we got him.
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 19, 2014 1:43:23 GMT -5
Sure felt good watching Bourque skate around as disinterested as always. Hard to believe he could be so disengaged when playing a former team. Him on the ice and Allen in the press box and i think we won that trade!
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Post by seventeen on Dec 19, 2014 2:37:49 GMT -5
Too bad Andreghetti was sent down. I thought Bournival was replacing him, but instead it turned out to be Tangradi. (??)
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 19, 2014 7:19:18 GMT -5
I thought Bournival was off last night and I don't understand why he got top line time after Max was injured... I would have put Sekac or Weise or even put DD on the wing on that line. I hope it's a slugfest between the Ducks and Sens... I hate Boudreau hockey... it's boring and unimaginative... get a lead and play the trap
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 19, 2014 7:35:36 GMT -5
I thought it was a pretty even game, and a good effort by the team. They were playing against the top team in the league, playing a heavy, trap-style game. And they hung in with them pretty good. Obviously "that shift" was excruciating to watch, but what can you do? I was surprised Therrien kept throwing Tangradi back out there, as I thought he was going to be demoted to the AHL before the period was even over, but oh well.
Refs were terrible, for both sides. Some blown icings, and Malhotra clearly wasn't ready for the face-off on "that shift". He let the linesman know about it too, on the bench. Never seen him that angry before. I could understand if Malhotra was trying to stall for some extra time and the linesman had warned him, but they had just come out of the time-out, and this is Manny Malhotra we're talking about here. A classy veteran who doesn't deserve the quick puck drop. The penalties were equally bad both ways. Yeah, the interference calls on Subban were weak at best, especially the second one, but the refs were making make-up calls all night. That second interference call was because Subban had broken somebody's stick right before, and since Getzlaf got a weak call for breaking a stick on a little hook the refs obviously felt that they had to make it up. Horrible game management on their part. They let circumstances, and not the actual play, determine the calls.
I thought Stoner's hit on Pacioretty was borderline. It looked bad because it was in that three-foot zone, but Max was admiring his pass. I think a penalty for boarding should have been called, but I'm okay with the league not reviewing it.
As for Bournival getting Max's spot on the top line, I think Therrien was just trying to keep his other two lines together.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 19, 2014 7:40:20 GMT -5
... Malhotra clearly wasn't ready for the face-off on "that shift". He let the linesman know about it too, on the bench. Never seen him that angry before. I could understand if Malhotra was trying to stall for some extra time and the linesman had warned him, but they had just come out of the time-out, and this is Manny Malhotra we're talking about here. A classy veteran who doesn't deserve the quick puck drop. If a guy like Malhotra gets upset then there has to be something to it ... sounds like the linesman might have had less time in the league (don't know either way though) ... Cheers.
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Post by jkr on Dec 19, 2014 7:59:43 GMT -5
I just saw the hit on the replay & I do have a problem with it. Refs are supposed to protect players but they call no penalty when MP has his back turned? If it's borderline then call it. Yet they will call chintzy hooks & interference calls.
EDIT: Someone other than Prust has to help in the "stepping up" department. Why is it always him when retribution is needed?
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Post by jkr on Dec 19, 2014 8:03:01 GMT -5
... Malhotra clearly wasn't ready for the face-off on "that shift". He let the linesman know about it too, on the bench. Never seen him that angry before. I could understand if Malhotra was trying to stall for some extra time and the linesman had warned him, but they had just come out of the time-out, and this is Manny Malhotra we're talking about here. A classy veteran who doesn't deserve the quick puck drop. If a guy like Malhotra gets upset then there has to be something to it ... sounds like the linesman might have had less time in the league (don't know either way though) ... Cheers. I find that the quality of the linesmen has gone down hill over the years. You see a lot more blown offsides etc. than you used to. And thsi power trip they are on in the faceoff circle has to stop.
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Post by frozone on Dec 19, 2014 9:07:31 GMT -5
It seems to me that a good effort doesn't always translate to good play with this team. It looked like the boys were hustling all game, yet they looked downright bad in the 1st. Then the 2nd period we looked great. I noticed the same thing against LA - lots of effort, but an ugly look to the game. Is it a system problem? Or just a very competitive league where momentum can truly go either way?
Tangradi looks like a nervous player to me. Kinda reminds me of Tinordi when MT has pushed him to his nervous peak. Tangradi came out later in the game looking charged up and ready to impress his coach, and it looked to be sorta opening up for him... and then he put his team offside. Sometimes that's the way it goes. Would we get shifts like that from him on a regular basis? Probably not... but MT will make him the scapegoat methinks. Although truth be told, MT deserves some of the blame... home ice and you have the 4th line plus Beaulieu and Gilbert on the ice? I wouldn't want those 5 out against any of the Duck lines.
Still angry at the way the refs tried to change the level of tolerance in period 3. That really disrupted the flow of the game.
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Post by Polarice on Dec 19, 2014 9:15:23 GMT -5
EDIT: Someone other than Prust has to help in the "stepping up" department. Why is it always him when retribution is needed? That's his job....that's why we signed him.
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Post by jkr on Dec 19, 2014 9:27:02 GMT -5
EDIT: Someone other than Prust has to help in the "stepping up" department. Why is it always him when retribution is needed? That's his job....that's why we signed him. Yeah but he's been injured a lot over the last few years. What happens when he's not there?
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 19, 2014 10:18:17 GMT -5
Yeah, that looks like ribs….he was putting a lot of stress on his shoulder when he was down on all fours….
I've never understood why that type of hit isn't called crosschecking, seeing as the stick and arms are the agents of delivery.
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Post by Polarice on Dec 19, 2014 10:46:23 GMT -5
Back or ribs by the looks of it.
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Post by Polarice on Dec 19, 2014 10:48:07 GMT -5
That's his job....that's why we signed him. Yeah but he's been injured a lot over the last few years. What happens when he's not there? That's why we should have Tinordi in the line up.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 19, 2014 11:07:17 GMT -5
Yeah but he's been injured a lot over the last few years. What happens when he's not there? That's why we should have Tinordi in the line up. Guess we might see what kind of depth we have in the system ... Pacioretty goes down and it might affect three lines ... does that put Sekac on the top line if Max is down? ... Andrighetto with the call up? ... who else has excelled in Hamilton this year? ... Max is resiliant but after seeing that hit we might as well talk about it ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 19, 2014 11:08:06 GMT -5
Here's the sequence of the hit, in light of the NHL rulebook's description of a cross-check: 59.1 Cross-checking - The action of using the shaft of the stick between the two hands to forcefully check an opponent.1st pic: only one hand on the stick; just going for a body check, right? Nope. 2nd pic: both hands on stick, preparing for hit. 3rd pic: stick, parallel to ice, elbows move back to deliver force into midsection. 4th pic: stick into midsection 5th pic: arms/stick extending 6th pic: arms/stick fully extended; main agent of delivery is the stick. 7th pic: After the hit, both hands still on the stick…more than shoulder-width apart. His hands never touched Max…all stick. I don't care which team is involved….that's a textbook crosscheck…a horizontal bench press with the bar still in the hands....and a dangerous play that close to the boards. That's a penalty and reviewed if against any other team. The Habs and the officials have a big problem, and I don't expect it to go away soon. If Subban does that to Getzlaf….does anyone think PK gets away scot-free? Ha! He gets called for bogus interference at a crucial time in the game. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if both refs didn't even see it. But the league should've looked at it.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 19, 2014 11:51:40 GMT -5
I just saw the hit on the replay & I do have a problem with it. Refs are supposed to protect players but they call no penalty when MP has his back turned? If it's borderline then call it. Yet they will call chintzy hooks & interference calls. EDIT: Someone other than Prust has to help in the "stepping up" department. Why is it always him when retribution is needed? Hello Mr. Tinordi???
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