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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 30, 2014 22:42:15 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 30, 2014 22:44:54 GMT -5
Just in case anyone wants to talk about it in the next few days ... a great time the 70's were ...
Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 30, 2014 22:45:02 GMT -5
This thread should be revived every new years. This is most excellent Rick.... great pics and lots of great memories
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 30, 2014 22:47:05 GMT -5
Shots were 38 to 13 for the habs tretiak was amazing
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 30, 2014 23:13:09 GMT -5
Thanks Willie ... had a good time doing it up ... terrible hangovers on Labatt's 50 ... huge ... Montreal was the city, though ... Toronto had a good nightlife and Ottawa was pretty tame ... but Montreal had it all ... my last time partying in Montreal after a game was back in 2006 ... was still a great time ... La Cage aux Sports has a good menu ... and it's almost next to the Bell Centre ... so is Chez Paree ... not sure of the menu though ...
Cheers.
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 31, 2014 1:08:59 GMT -5
Thanks Willie ... had a good time doing it up ... terrible hangovers on Labatt's 50 ... huge ... Montreal was the city, though ... Toronto had a good nightlife and Ottawa was pretty tame ... but Montreal had it all ... my last time partying in Montreal after a game was back in 2006 ... was still a great time ... La Cage aux Sports has a good menu ... and it's almost next to the Bell Centre ... so is Chez Paree ... not sure of the menu though ... Cheers. I think it's fish
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Post by franko on Dec 31, 2014 6:53:39 GMT -5
beauty, Dis.
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Post by blny on Dec 31, 2014 9:24:10 GMT -5
I think they even fired the kitchen sink at Tretiak. If only we had a goalie that could make a timely save.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 31, 2014 9:37:05 GMT -5
Thanks Willie ... had a good time doing it up ... terrible hangovers on Labatt's 50 ... huge ... Montreal was the city, though ... Toronto had a good nightlife and Ottawa was pretty tame ... but Montreal had it all ... my last time partying in Montreal after a game was back in 2006 ... was still a great time ... La Cage aux Sports has a good menu ... and it's almost next to the Bell Centre ... so is Chez Paree ... not sure of the menu though ... Cheers. I think it's fish You know the fish is bad when it sticks to the pole....
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Post by jkr on Dec 31, 2014 9:56:32 GMT -5
I read Denault's book and highly recommend it. Well done review of the game and the times.
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Post by jkr on Dec 31, 2014 9:57:07 GMT -5
I think they even fired the kitchen sink at Tretiak. If only we had a goalie that could make a timely save. Probably one of Dryden's worst efforts.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 31, 2014 11:11:50 GMT -5
And Dryden knew it too ... That should have been a wipe out ...
Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 31, 2014 11:50:24 GMT -5
Dryden's taken a lot of heat for that game…and a lot of it from himself. Undeservedly so, IMO. I don't know why something like that has to tarnish a stellar career.
That was a stacked, offensively-gifted Red Army team. May as well have been the Soviet all-stars.
It was a classic "cold goalie" game….inactive for long stretches while watching the other goalie stand on his head. These games happen several times per season to every team.
Halak did the same thing to the Caps in 2010. The only differences being that he did it 3 games in a row (and continued to play extremely well in upsetting the Penguins)….and that the Habs didn't LOSE that '75 NYE game.
Tretiak didn't steal a win….he stole a TIE.
Glad it ended in regulation…..that would've been a shame to lose it 4-on-4 OT or in a shoot-out.
Dryden saved our bacon innumerable times throughout his career. His very first playoff series--being the ultimate difference against the Bruins in 1971--should be enough to overshadow that NYE game.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Dec 31, 2014 12:21:20 GMT -5
Great thread, and brings back memories of such a great game. Thanks!
Yes...50 sucks!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 31, 2014 12:24:13 GMT -5
Dryden had a bad game ... not sure it defined his career, though ... Serge Savard once commented that it was too ad Dryden couldn't put a good game against the Russians ... it during an interview about '72 when he said it ... still the Habs probably wouldn't have won as many Cups without him ... I think his six Cups in ten years define his legacy ... that and his Vezina wins ...
Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 31, 2014 13:18:44 GMT -5
Dryden had a bad game ... not sure it defined his career, though ... Serge Savard once commented that it was too ad Dryden couldn't put a good game against the Russians ... it during an interview about '72 when he said it ... still the Habs probably wouldn't have won as many Cups without him ... I think his six Cups in ten years define his legacy ... that and his Vezina wins ... Cheers. Good post, Dis. And great idea for the thread! I wasn't saying that the game "defined" his career....just that it's a permanent stain...tarnish that can't be removed. People see the 13-shot total…and forget that Tretiak played out of his mind. That game could easily have been 6-3 Habs. I think "not scoring enough" is what Pete Mahovlich was apologizing for....but I know some who took it as veiled criticism of Dryden's play. Funny thing, though….I don't believe Dryden ever lost to the Soviets when it really mattered...and if we look at GA/shot totals alone, he out-duelled Tretiak in Games 6 and 8 in '72...in MUST WIN national-pride pressure situations. Game 6...a 3-2 Canada win...during which Dryden faced 31 shots...stopping all 12 in the third period, preserving the win. Tretiak allowed 3 goals on 25 shots. Game 8....entering the third period down 5-3, Canada then outshot the Soviets 14-5. Dryden stopped all 5. Tretiak allowed 3 goals on 14 shots. A Game 7 nod to Tony Esposito for also out-duelling Tretiak...allowing 3 goals on 29 shots....while Tretiak allowed 4 goals on 22 shots. Granted, Tretiak was only 20 years old in 1972....but his career seems to have gone untarnished even though his numbers were worse in those clutch games....and I wouldn't be surprised if there were/are many Soviet/Russian fans who were/are still very upset about the fact that he couldn't close it out needing only 1 win in the final 3 games...in his own country, no less. Just trying to provide another perspective. Summit Series Source
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Post by blny on Dec 31, 2014 17:43:31 GMT -5
I'd have to go back and really look at the goals. I've seen the game several times on tv, but honestly don't remember the goals. I was being somewhat tongue in cheek with my comment. I agree that sitting there waiting for action can make it hard. Most goalies would prefer to be on the other end of the shot totals.
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Post by Disp on Dec 31, 2014 18:37:58 GMT -5
Sitting there not doing much was something done by Dryden quite a bit in his career. Usually he was very good at it. I don't think it stains his career at all. It's one game. It probably bugs him still but whatever. The guy was great.
Roy had his bad moments too. There isn't a goalie alive or dead that wouldn't want a do over at sometime.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 1, 2015 0:35:15 GMT -5
Dryden had a bad game ... not sure it defined his career, though ... Serge Savard once commented that it was too ad Dryden couldn't put a good game against the Russians ... it during an interview about '72 when he said it ... still the Habs probably wouldn't have won as many Cups without him ... I think his six Cups in ten years define his legacy ... that and his Vezina wins ... Cheers. Good post, Dis. And great idea for the thread! I wasn't saying that the game "defined" his career....just that it's a permanent stain...tarnish that can't be removed. People see the 13-shot total…and forget that Tretiak played out of his mind. That game could easily have been 6-3 Habs. I think "not scoring enough" is what Pete Mahovlich was apologizing for....but I know some who took it as veiled criticism of Dryden's play. Funny thing, though….I don't believe Dryden ever lost to the Soviets when it really mattered...and if we look at GA/shot totals alone, he out-duelled Tretiak in Games 6 and 8 in '72...in MUST WIN national-pride pressure situations. Game 6...a 3-2 Canada win...during which Dryden faced 31 shots...stopping all 12 in the third period, preserving the win. Tretiak allowed 3 goals on 25 shots. Game 8....entering the third period down 5-3, Canada then outshot the Soviets 14-5. Dryden stopped all 5. Tretiak allowed 3 goals on 14 shots. A Game 7 nod to Tony Esposito for also out-duelling Tretiak...allowing 3 goals on 29 shots....while Tretiak allowed 4 goals on 22 shots. Granted, Tretiak was only 20 years old in 1972....but his career seems to have gone untarnished even though his numbers were worse in those clutch games....and I wouldn't be surprised if there were/are many Soviet/Russian fans who were/are still very upset about the fact that he couldn't close it out needing only 1 win in the final 3 games...in his own country, no less. Just trying to provide another perspective. Summit Series Source Right on, no worries, CH ... I don't remember Tretriak having too many off games ... he wasn't to blame for any of those losses in '72 (I thought, anyway) ... IMHO, he and his team were outworked and out-willed on Moscow ice ... I couldn't tell you how the Soviet fans felt about any of their players but like their team, they were outworked by their smaller-numbered Canadian counterparts ... I'll try to find the reference later but the initial scouting report was that Tretriak couldn't stop a beach ball ... in actuality, he had just gotten married and he was just coming off his honeymoon ... needless to say the reports weren't accurate ... as for the New Year's game, Tretriak was the star of the game and if people forgot he stood on his head I'm willing to bet that the didn't see the game at all ... Tretriak and the Habs dominating were the topics of the game ... I wrote Red Fisher a while back and asked him what he thought made the game so special ... he told me (paraphrase) that, "... the Canadiens dominated and Tretriak was spectacular. The only thing special about it is that Dryden let in two weak goals ..." I know he's written on the game since then ... when I can't remember (they're online) ... but he obviously thought there was more to the game than what he replied to me ... as for Peter Mahovlich, the hype leading up to that game was huge ... I thought he might have apologized for simply not winning for Canada ... that game was a big deal back then ... don't care if the Flyers took out the Soviets, the game against the Habs was the best hockey game I've ever seen ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 2, 2015 11:20:53 GMT -5
I'd have to go back and really look at the goals. I've seen the game several times on tv, but honestly don't remember the goals. I was being somewhat tongue in cheek with my comment. I agree that sitting there waiting for action can make it hard. Most goalies would prefer to be on the other end of the shot totals. Just looking at the highlights now from the Centennial DVD set…. 1st Soviet goal Start watching around 37:00 of the clip Dis provided. Second period...Habs up 2-0…Murray Wilson hits the iron behind Tretiak. On the ensuing faceoff in the Soviet zone, Mikhailov is allowed to carry it into our zone at good speed…Lapointe keeps backing up and Savard is getting back into position…Mikhailov keeps coming into the slot and fires it high. Dryden gets a piece of it with his glove/arm….but it dropped into the net. 2nd Soviet goal Start watching around 55:30 of the clip. Second period…Habs up 3-1. Petrov skates it over the Habs' blueline…Savard cheats over to his left (closer to Lapointe) leaving room for Kharlamov on the outside. Kharlamov quickly sneaks between Savard and Lemaire and Petrov hits him perfectly at good speed. All alone for a nice backhand against the flow, just inside the far post along the ice. Don't know too many goalies who could've stopped that one. 3rd Soviet goal Start watching around 1:08:50 of the clip. Third period…Habs up 3-2. Awrey gets caught standing still in the neutral zone. 2-on-1 develops from the blueline in. Instead of preventing the pass, Robinson elects to slide across…and it's an easy pass from Shluktov over to Aleksandrov, who fires it low to the glove side. Dryden gets a piece…but it gets in. To me, it's just a case of world-class players capitalizing on most of their chances…and all of them were quality, preceded by mistakes from Habs' skaters. 1. Untouched into the slot (Lapointe backing in too far)… 2. A mini-breakaway (Savard and Lemaire forgetting about one of the most electrifying, opportunistic players to ever play the game in Kharlamov) 3. A 2-on-1 executed perfectly once Robinson committed to the slide. Tretiak had a game for the ages…but he didn't win it. And Dryden didn't lose it….no shame in any of the goals he allowed, IMO.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 2, 2015 12:35:35 GMT -5
That was a stacked, offensively-gifted Red Army team. May as well have been the Soviet all-stars. I remembered the media referring to the Central Red Army team back in the day as the best club from (whatever the Russian league was called) so I had to do some digging ... the CSKA Team that played in Super Series '76 wasn't the all star team (national team) as it was in '72 ... CSKA is a team in the Soviet Championship League (now they're in the KHL) ... there were a lot of players on that team that played in '72, but there are other players from the "CCCP" (national team) who played elsewhere ... for instance, Alexander Yakushev played with Moscow Moscow Spartak when he wasn't with the national team ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 2, 2015 12:58:04 GMT -5
Thanks Dis. I knew it wasn't the Soviet all-star team…just that it featured many of the USSR's best players and was by far the best team in Soviet club hockey. Petrov, Mikhailov, and Kharlamov have to be considered one of the best lines in hockey history. And, with Tretiak in goal, they could beat anybody on any given night. EDIT: Just looked up some stats on Wikipedia on CSKA Moscow. CSKA won 32 Soviet regular season championships during the Soviet League's 46-year existence, far and away the most in the league's history; no other team won more than five. This included all but six from 1955 to 1989 and 13 in a row from 1977 to 1989. By comparison, no NHL team has won more than five Stanley Cups in a row since the NHL took de facto control of the trophy in 1926.
CSKA was almost as dominant in the European Cup. They won all but two titles from 1969 to 1990, including 13 in a row from 1978 to 1990. The team's first coach was Anatoli Tarasov, who would later become famous as the coach of the Soviet national team. Tarasov coached the Red Army Team, either alone or with co-coaches, for most of the time from 1946 to 1975. The team's greatest run came under Viktor Tikhonov, who was coach from 1977 to 1996—serving for most of that time as coach of the national team.
The Red Army Team was able to pull off such a long run of dominance because during the Soviet era, the entire CSKA organization was a functioning division of the Red Army. Taking full advantage of the fact that all able-bodied Soviet males had to serve in the military, it was literally able to draft the best young hockey players in the Soviet Union onto the team. There was a substantial overlap between the rosters of the Red Army Team and the Soviet national team, which was one factor behind the Soviets' near-absolute dominance of international hockey from the 1950s through the early 1990s. By the late 1980s, however, the long run of Red Army dominance caused a significant dropoff in attendance throughout the league.[1]
One of the most feared lines in hockey history was the KLM Line of the 1980s. The name came from the last names of the three players, Vladimir Krutov, Igor Larionov, and Sergei Makarov. Together with defensemen Viacheslav Fetisov and Alexei Kasatonov, they were known as the Green Unit because they wore green jerseys in practice. The five-man unit formed a dominant force in European hockey throughout the decade. All five players were later permitted to go to the NHL in 1989, with mixed results. Krutov had the shortest NHL career, lasting only one season in Vancouver; Makarov (who won the Calder Trophy in 1990) and Kasatonov were out of the NHL by 1997; Fetisov and Larionov won the Stanley Cup twice together with Detroit before Fetisov retired in 1998; Larionov would win a third Cup with Detroit in 2002, before retiring from New Jersey in 2004.
Not surprisingly, discipline was quite strict, especially under Tikhonov. His players practiced for as many as 11 months a year, and were confined to training camp (an Army barracks) most of that time even if they were married. However, became less restrictive after the collapse of the Soviet Union.[1]
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 5, 2015 18:07:53 GMT -5
Had to watch the first few minutes again ... not sure what to do until that gold medal game starts at 8 PM ... huge hype surrounding this game ... watch Alan Eagleson as he walks off the ice ... he's looking at the Canadiens and pumping his fist as if to say "beat these guys" ... I also remember hearing about what Cournoyer had to say after his 1st-period penalty ... he knew he had been caught, but Ivon looked at the ref and said, "... you don't understand. We have to beat these guys ..." only two hours to go before the gold medal game ...
Cheers.
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