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Post by blny on Jan 4, 2015 17:55:13 GMT -5
I tuned in at the beginning out of morbid curiosity. I lost real interest years ago.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 4, 2015 22:33:01 GMT -5
On the Price v. Rinne debate, I would side with Rinne. He is far and away the best player on the Preds and does not have the team Price has. Price is great but Rinne is having an unbelievable season. As for Elliot, I use to like him but find he has declined in the last year. Seems very defensive surrounded by all the former pros and their bravado. Perhaps more importantly from my perspective, he seems reluctant to give the Habs any credit. He's not alone there but as a "journalist" i expect more from him. A different perspective from TSN's The Reporters ... Cheers.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 5, 2015 2:13:34 GMT -5
On the Price v. Rinne debate, I would side with Rinne. He is far and away the best player on the Preds and does not have the team Price has. Price is great but Rinne is having an unbelievable season. As for Elliot, I use to like him but find he has declined in the last year. Seems very defensive surrounded by all the former pros and their bravado. Perhaps more importantly from my perspective, he seems reluctant to give the Habs any credit. He's not alone there but as a "journalist" i expect more from him. RINNE. 33GP. 25-6-2. 3 Shutouts. 950 shots against. 883 saves. 2.00 GAA. 0.929 S% PRICE. 32GP. 22-9-1. 2 Shutouts. 952 shots against. 884 saves. 2.14 GAA. 0.929 S% If RINNE's season is considered unbelievable by the media and fans .... Then shouldn't Price's season be considered just as unbelievable? The media makes it sound like RINNE is heads and shoulders above the rest , ... He is very marginally ahead of Price, at the moment. The stats you list suggest Rinne is marginally better. It's always hard to compare goalies playing on different teams. But when one looks at the backups who have the same team playing in front of them it would suggest the Preds can't win without Rinne whereas the Habs seem to be holding their own with Toker. In fact Hutton's stats are nowhere close to Rinne's whereas Toker is not that far off Carey. Hutton: 0-3-1 (winless), GA 2.74, and sv% .895. Toker: 4-2-1 , GA 2.23, sv% 924. It may be Toker is a better goalie than hutton but it still comes down to the same issue: which player is more valuable to their team. I say the Preds need Rinne a lot more than we need Carey. Having said all that I would not trade Carey for Rinne. I like Carey's intangibles and he can win the big game. Just saying Rinne is having a heck of a year, as is Carey
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Post by blny on Jan 5, 2015 6:49:58 GMT -5
On the Price v. Rinne debate, I would side with Rinne. He is far and away the best player on the Preds and does not have the team Price has. Price is great but Rinne is having an unbelievable season. As for Elliot, I use to like him but find he has declined in the last year. Seems very defensive surrounded by all the former pros and their bravado. Perhaps more importantly from my perspective, he seems reluctant to give the Habs any credit. He's not alone there but as a "journalist" i expect more from him. A different perspective from TSN's The Reporters ... Cheers. Ahhh Dave Hodge. The voice of reason. Someone wake up Cathal Kelly.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 5, 2015 15:25:58 GMT -5
The Habs have quietly asserted themselves over the past 6 games. The advanced stats geeks would still say that the Habs are getting outplayed and consistently on the wrong side of even strength shot attempts but consider the following:
1) The Habs are now 6th in the NHL and 3rd in the East in even strength scoring with 78 5v5 goals. That is a HUGELY important stat, IMO, and a full reversal from last year when we were one of the worst even strength teams in the league. And consider we have one of the worst PP's in the league. If you give the Habs a league-average PP we would have about 8-10 more goals.
2) The Habs are 2nd in the NHL, 1st in the East in "PDO" which is one of the closely-followed stats. PDO is simply the sum of shooting percentage + save percentage. Our shooting percentage is among the league leaders at 9.03% and our save percentage is 2nd in the NHL and 1st in the East at 93.36%. The danger there is mean regression, especially in shooting percentage, but maybe that is a testament to our skill players ability to generate and convert high quality scoring chances. Corsi is a nice general stat but it doesn't distinguish between high and low percentage shots and shot attempts.
So despite not really dominating games and being a <50% Corsi team, the Habs are quietly building a solid foundation for success in the 2nd half of the year. We are on pace for 110-115 pts and doing it the right way: solid even strength production, balanced scoring, excellent goaltending, solid PK... if we can get the PP going then that would be awesome. Still less than 50% through the season but we should all be happy with the results so far.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 5, 2015 16:10:15 GMT -5
The Habs have quietly asserted themselves over the past 6 games. The advanced stats geeks would still say that the Habs are getting outplayed and consistently on the wrong side of even strength shot attempts but consider the following: 1) The Habs are now 6th in the NHL and 3rd in the East in even strength scoring with 78 5v5 goals. That is a HUGELY important stat, IMO, and a full reversal from last year when we were one of the worst even strength teams in the league. And consider we have one of the worst PP's in the league. If you give the Habs a league-average PP we would have about 8-10 more goals. 2) The Habs are 2nd in the NHL, 1st in the East in "PDO" which is one of the closely-followed stats. PDO is simply the sum of shooting percentage + save percentage. Our shooting percentage is among the league leaders at 9.03% and our save percentage is 2nd in the NHL and 1st in the East at 93.36%. The danger there is mean regression, especially in shooting percentage, but maybe that is a testament to our skill players ability to generate and convert high quality scoring chances. Corsi is a nice general stat but it doesn't distinguish between high and low percentage shots and shot attempts. So despite not really dominating games and being a <50% Corsi team, the Habs are quietly building a solid foundation for success in the 2nd half of the year. We are on pace for 110-115 pts and doing it the right way: solid even strength production, balanced scoring, excellent goaltending, solid PK... if we can get the PP going then that would be awesome. Still less than 50% through the season but we should all be happy with the results so far. Chapeau!
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Post by Skilly on Jan 5, 2015 18:21:15 GMT -5
Ahhh Dave Hodge. The voice of reason. Someone wake up Cathal Kelly. Wake him up? Someone should show him a newspaper ... "Chicago doesn't have any scorers in the top 30". Wha? ? Cathal either has not heard of Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews or just sucks real bad at geography
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Post by seventeen on Jan 5, 2015 19:32:40 GMT -5
I heard that and wondered, "What the hell?". They're not in my pool team, but I know they're scoring.
I generallly like advanced stats, because they appear more meaningful to me than plain shots on goal, but actually seeing a game is still the best measure, providing you can be objective. For example, I understand the Habs didn't win the advanced stats battle vs the Pens the last game. Yet, to me, it was a dominating performance for Montreal. There was no correlation between the advanced stats and how the two teams fared. I know that won't happen often, but it points out that they're just a tool and if you use them foolishly, you may be the tool.
PS. I'm not calling anyone one HabsRus a tool. The line just sounded too good not to use.
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