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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 13, 2015 10:48:05 GMT -5
It's a learning process...(one of M.T. favourite quotes, but he didn't use it tonight). Well I think there has been enough lessons learned in the past month with points losses to Pheonix, Edmonton and Buffalo. It's time to put up or shut up. You don't want to play at a high level or at least a consistent level, then MB can ship you out. Tired of losing when we shouldn't.
Also, I am not sold on Tokarski. We should of traded him last off season when he had all that hype. He was flopping all over the place again last night and reminds me of Price a few years ago when he would over play a shot and end up sliding 2 or 3 feet away from the net.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 13, 2015 10:48:07 GMT -5
How can a supposed quality coach not make in-game adjustments against aquarium algae eaters? Odd-man rushes all night….outshot 38-26. While I'm no fan of or apologist for MT, he can tell the team all he wants what to do or not do on the ice, and he can't do thing one if they don't listen. who's to say that he didn't try to make adjustments and the team just continued to play pond hockey? I mean, Pleks knows better than to play how he did -- not MT's fault did I really just stick up for him? yes, the team will go only as far as the goaltending will take them . . . but that's with every team. as was said, we don't play the bottom feeders in the playoffs, and that's a good thing! That could be said of every coach at every level. "I told them what to do to win, but they didn't listen."I would presume a coach is rated by results in relation to the talent at his disposal. Which is what makes a coach like Babcock so valuable. MT had the whole shebang in Pittsburgh and couldn't get it done. Bylsma comes in…and it ends in a parade. IMO, we should be thanking Toker for the point last night. He was hung out to dry all game. Yes, Price likely would've stolen both points….
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 13, 2015 11:06:45 GMT -5
MT, post-game: "We played a really bad game, in all aspects. Lucky to get the point."True enough ... as Franko said last night, the fish and chips were good ... probably the only saving grace ... Cheers.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 13, 2015 11:18:23 GMT -5
...at some point the team played for about 30 seconds with a man missing on the ice... talk about complete lack of focus...
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 13, 2015 11:19:39 GMT -5
...at some point the team played for about 30 seconds with a man missing on the ice... talk about complete lack of focus... Yes…and it resulted in the 2-2 Oilers' goal.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 13, 2015 11:20:09 GMT -5
While I'm no fan of or apologist for MT, he can tell the team all he wants what to do or not do on the ice, and he can't do thing one if they don't listen. who's to say that he didn't try to make adjustments and the team just continued to play pond hockey? I mean, Pleks knows better than to play how he did -- not MT's fault did I really just stick up for him? yes, the team will go only as far as the goaltending will take them . . . but that's with every team. as was said, we don't play the bottom feeders in the playoffs, and that's a good thing! That could be said of every coach at every level. "I told them what to do to win, but they didn't listen."I would presume a coach is rated by results in relation to the talent at his disposal. Which is what makes a coach like Babcock so valuable. MT had the whole shebang in Pittsburgh and couldn't get it done. Bylsma comes in…and it ends in a parade. IMO, we should be thanking Toker for the point last night. He was hung out to dry all game. Yes, Price likely would've stolen both points…. I think last night was more an example of Plekanec costing us a point. If Plekanec passes that puck on the 2 on 1 for the empty net (regardless if Prust scores) then we win that game and all's well ...
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 13, 2015 11:31:48 GMT -5
No doubt, Skilly. That was brutal.
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Post by franko on Feb 13, 2015 11:32:12 GMT -5
...at some point the team played for about 30 seconds with a man missing on the ice... talk about complete lack of focus... that one is on coaching!
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 13, 2015 11:49:49 GMT -5
...yes but the amazing thing was that nobody was reacting... coaches....players... everyone was watching...
It just goes to show the lack of mental prep for this game.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 13, 2015 11:51:54 GMT -5
...at some point the team played for about 30 seconds with a man missing on the ice... talk about complete lack of focus... I haven't criticized MT all that much lately, but part of the reasoning for last night's loss has to be accepted by him. The game was blacked out here, so I caught snippets on-line, but not much. Was there any line juggling. When a team is off as it was last night, did MT do anything to shake it up a bit? And that being short for 20 seconds is a real faux pas against the coaching staff IMO. Did they simply not notice they were short? It's kinda hard to miss it. I can't recall another team doing that in the last couple of seasons, though it may have happened. Where's the bench management? That instance is an example of one area where I feel MT is lacking, so we end up with games like last night's. Did he shake up the defense pairings? There are things a coach can do, even for a few shifts to wake up his team. If there's one line that seems awake, give them an extra shift or two to send the message. Players are proud, they won't want to be shown up for long. The parts that I did see (both late goals by Edmonton and Pleks hitting Petry) told me clearly that the team wasn't moving its legs. They were lethargic.
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Post by Polarice on Feb 13, 2015 12:13:02 GMT -5
glad I was at the movies and missed this turkey. All my Oiler fan buddies are giving me grief today. Try working in Edmonton!!
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Post by habernac on Feb 13, 2015 12:18:17 GMT -5
glad I was at the movies and missed this turkey. All my Oiler fan buddies are giving me grief today. Try working in Edmonton!! not much better down the highway in Calgary
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Post by Disp on Feb 13, 2015 12:32:40 GMT -5
While I'm no fan of or apologist for MT, he can tell the team all he wants what to do or not do on the ice, and he can't do thing one if they don't listen. who's to say that he didn't try to make adjustments and the team just continued to play pond hockey? I mean, Pleks knows better than to play how he did -- not MT's fault did I really just stick up for him? yes, the team will go only as far as the goaltending will take them . . . but that's with every team. as was said, we don't play the bottom feeders in the playoffs, and that's a good thing! I agree Franko, I'm no MT fan either but if the boys play like this against bottom feeders, I can't believe a coach, any coach, wouldn't be talking to the team between and in game to get them going. As stated, MT was not happy after the game. It will be interesting to see if he 'punishes' them or not. He can bag skate them to show them how displeased he is with their level of effort (he hasn't done that this year I don't think) or he can go soft on them (which I think he has after losing to other bottom feeders). I for one hope he bag skates them just so they understand losing to a bottom feeder is worse than losing to a contender. We get a glimpse of what these guys look like, every once and awhile, when they don't listen to MT. It isn't pretty.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 13, 2015 12:34:36 GMT -5
glad I was at the movies and missed this turkey. All my Oiler fan buddies are giving me grief today. Try working in Edmonton!! I am trying to, but folks keep interrupting me to talk about a certain hockey game.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 13, 2015 13:27:09 GMT -5
...at some point the team played for about 30 seconds with a man missing on the ice... talk about complete lack of focus... I think both Disp and BC mentioned Subban having a bad game last night (Franko made a similar comment at the pub) ... your best players simply have to be your best players and when that doesn't happen I think we see what we did last night ... some nights he looks like a Norris winner, while other nights, like last night, he looked like he was taking the game for granted ... so, how does that affect the rest of the team when your best player feels he doesn't have to put out ... might explain the "complete lack of focus" you were talking about ... ever hear of that from Duncan Keith or Shea Weber ... Cheers.
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Post by Disp on Feb 13, 2015 14:52:09 GMT -5
...yes but the amazing thing was that nobody was reacting... coaches....players... everyone was watching... It just goes to show the lack of mental prep for this game. How does this happen ... how does an entire coaching staff miss that ... would like to know what Bergevin thinks of that ... Cheers. Why do you think the staff missed it? Heck, MT even said after the game that they were crap. Obviously they noticed. You can't bench everybody. *Edit* Disgruntled was talking about playing short handed for 30 seconds. I have to say though, you guys really put too much blame on the coaches when the guys play like that. They were basically a lost cause. Anything said or done with that kind of mess is basically wasted material. Let them take their lumps. It's probably a better lesson than eaking out a win with a half arsed effort.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 13, 2015 16:01:10 GMT -5
A lesson they should've learned from the Arizona game. Then the Buffalo game. Maybe they'll have learned in time for the Leafs.
And we have eked out many games this year with half-arsed efforts--thanks to #31.
Slow learners? Ha!
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Feb 13, 2015 18:49:18 GMT -5
Losses to Arizona and Oilers last night was playing down to the level of your opponent, losing to Buffalo was expected because they have the Habs numbers just like the Habs have the Bruins number. Montreal haven't beaten Buffalo regularly since Hasek was in town. The worst thing that could happen last night was the Habs going up 2-0 and too many guys suddenly went into cruise control thinking it was a walk over. Subban, Pacioretty, Desharnais, Gilbert and Pleckanec were all bad after that and for years we all said to play more kids but Thomas, Sekac, De La Rose, Bournival and Galchenyuk make up the bulk of the rest of the forwards. Tokarski scares the hell out of me the way he always seems to scramble looking for pucks and makes you miss Andre Racicot. I remember watching Tokarski playing for Canada in the world juniors and thinking this is the best goalie we have in Canada?? I'm not about to jump off any bandwagon but they gave away 2 points last night due to lack of interest. To win they say your best players have to be your best players and this time they were not.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 14, 2015 1:18:21 GMT -5
...yes but the amazing thing was that nobody was reacting... coaches....players... everyone was watching... It just goes to show the lack of mental prep for this game. And that's the point. The players were clearly not focused as their play indicated. But what is the coaches excuse? Does it really take 20 seconds to realize you don't have a full complement of skaters on the ice. Really? Five seconds, sometimes. Ten seconds, in peewee. Twenty seconds in the NHL? Really? I would love to see a video, or better yet an audio of the Habs bench as they awoke from their slumber. Who was the first to recognize the obvious? Did a player, trying to catch their breath, tell a coach? Did a coach use all their fingers on one hand to do the math? I'm not making excuses for the players because they were awful and were unfocused and disinterested. But for MT to make that statement is really the hydrant pissing on the dog. It took how long for a coach to realize they were playing short handed? If I'm MB I'm wondering who's running this cruise. Or maybe MT felt that as the players had checked out he should too. He's done that before when he refused to pull our goalie. I don't like the guy and I have even less respect for him now! He is a loser and we will never win the Cup with him behind the bench because he is a loser.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 14, 2015 11:48:38 GMT -5
...yes but the amazing thing was that nobody was reacting... coaches....players... everyone was watching... It just goes to show the lack of mental prep for this game. And that's the point. The players were clearly not focused as their play indicated. But what is the coaches excuse? Does it really take 20 seconds to realize you don't have a full complement of skaters on the ice. Really? Five seconds, sometimes. Ten seconds, in peewee. Twenty seconds in the NHL? Really? I would love to see a video, or better yet an audio of the Habs bench as they awoke from their slumber. Who was the first to recognize the obvious? Did a player, trying to catch their breath, tell a coach? Did a coach use all their fingers on one hand to do the math? I'm not making excuses for the players because they were awful and were unfocused and disinterested. But for MT to make that statement is really the hydrant pissing on the dog. It took how long for a coach to realize they were playing short handed? If I'm MB I'm wondering who's running this cruise. Or maybe MT felt that as the players had checked out he should too. He's done that before when he refused to pull our goalie. I don't like the guy and I have even less respect for him now! He is a loser and we will never win the Cup with him behind the bench because he is a loser. I too am not an MT fan, but unfortunately, it doesn't look like MT is going anywhere. I can't see MB firing him, because his record since he was hired by MB, is 110-57-17 with a win percentage of .650, so I guess everyone is going to have to get used to seeing him behind the bench. Now much like you Habsorbed, I don't think we can win the cup with MT at the helm unless all the stars align and all the teams that give us trouble, we don't have to face in the playoffs. If this happens then it will be a lucky cup win for us.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 14, 2015 16:42:29 GMT -5
Just so there is no suggestion as Oiler fans seem to have been going on about that Oilers are on the upswing ("The draft choices have finally developed!"): Sens beat Oilers 7-2 today. The Oilers are that bad and the Habs just have no interest or desire when playing these pathetic teams.
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