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Post by Skilly on Feb 24, 2015 12:07:21 GMT -5
We have been using Weise regualrly on the first line for quite the while now .... in that span, they let Sekac play with Pacioretty and Desharnais a grand total of 6:35 ... so you have two players, one is offensively gifted the other is defensively gifted. Who plays on the first line and who plays on the third line? And is 6:35 a fair audition?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 24, 2015 12:16:40 GMT -5
I have a feeling Sekac will do better in Anaheim than he would have in Montreal ... not sure what system they play in Anaheim but they have some big names out there and Jiri might benefit from that ... there was a big deal made about him signing in Montreal, more so when I heard just how many teams were in on trying to get him ... and now that's over and I'm disappointed they gave up on him so soon ... welcome and good luck to Smith-Pelly ...
Cheers.
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Post by Polarice on Feb 24, 2015 12:27:48 GMT -5
No goals in 2 months.....that's enough to warrant a trade IMO.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 24, 2015 12:29:10 GMT -5
MB said Smith-Pelly is the type of player who gets you through the playoffs….so he appears to be sticking around. If Sekac gets slotted with Getzlaf and Perry…he'll find some extra room for sure. Maybe we'll meet in the Finals…and Smith-Pelly will have the task of checking Sekac into submission. We're tougher with DSP, that's for sure.
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 24, 2015 12:43:40 GMT -5
Maybe he becomes our Flyers version of Wayne Simmonds or John Leclair if he plays on the top line?
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 24, 2015 12:46:52 GMT -5
MB said Smith-Pelly is the type of player who gets you through the playoffs….so he appears to be sticking around. If Sekac gets slotted with Getzlaf and Perry…he'll find some extra room for sure. Two teams with different needs being addressed. Maybe we'll meet in the Finals…and Smith-Pelly will have the task of checking Sekac into submission. We're tougher with DSP, that's for sure. Bergs and his get you thru the playoffs motto. How we ended up with Eller and Emelin bad contracts. Everybody we acquire never score goals...Briere, Sekac, PAP. Sekac had lot of hype, from his famous 14.5 beep test in camp, to 13 teams after in the summer.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 24, 2015 12:46:54 GMT -5
No goals in 2 months.....that's enough to warrant a trade IMO. So DD should have been traded last season?
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Post by seventeen on Feb 24, 2015 12:49:33 GMT -5
MB said Smith-Pelly is the type of player who gets you through the playoffs….so he appears to be sticking around. If Sekac gets slotted with Getzlaf and Perry…he'll find some extra room for sure. Maybe we'll meet in the Finals…and Smith-Pelly will have the task of checking Sekac into submission. We're tougher with DSP, that's for sure. I'm not sure you can make that assumption. Smith-Pelley is not a fighter. He's a checker and he's very solid, much like PK. I never thought Sekac was soft. He finished his checks a lot, he didn't shy away from hard board work and he was pretty good at winning those board battles. Are we tougher? Debatable IMO.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 24, 2015 12:50:58 GMT -5
MB said Smith-Pelly is the type of player who gets you through the playoffs….so he appears to be sticking around. If Sekac gets slotted with Getzlaf and Perry…he'll find some extra room for sure. Two teams with different needs being addressed. Maybe we'll meet in the Finals…and Smith-Pelly will have the task of checking Sekac into submission. We're tougher with DSP, that's for sure. Bergs and his get you thru the playoffs motto. How we ended up with Eller and Emelin bad contracts. Everybody we acquire never score goals...Briere, Sekac, PAP. Sekac had lot of hype, from his famous 14.5 beep test in camp, to 13 teams after in the summer. Good points, but perhaps the system has something to do with it. This is why I feel we'll get a better idea with Sekac somewhere else. Is it the player, or something else?
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Post by Skilly on Feb 24, 2015 12:57:17 GMT -5
No goals in 2 months.....that's enough to warrant a trade IMO. So DD should have been traded last season? And Malholtra this year ... surely if we are expecting 10-15 goals from the third liners, then it isnt much to ask for one goal from the fourth liners.
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Post by jkr on Feb 24, 2015 12:58:11 GMT -5
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Post by Polarice on Feb 24, 2015 12:58:52 GMT -5
No goals in 2 months.....that's enough to warrant a trade IMO. So DD should have been traded last season? I think so!!
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Post by Polarice on Feb 24, 2015 13:01:15 GMT -5
So DD should have been traded last season? And Malholtra this year ... surely if we are expecting 10-15 goals from the third liners, then it isnt much to ask for one goal from the fourth liners. Malholtra was signed for faceoffs and his defensive abilities. Sekac doesn't have those abilities and he doesn't contribute offensively....so, why was he on the team?
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Feb 24, 2015 13:05:09 GMT -5
I like the deal from a couple of points. I'm sorry to lose Sekac but it may be having to give a little to get a little. I remember Smith-Pelly from junior and he was a warrior and always played on the edge to some extent. Think of Marchant with size if you will but he also had some decent hands. I don't know who he was playing with on the Ducks but probably not a lot of top line minutes with Getzlaf and Perry so maybe a reason for the lower production numbers. I think he makes the team tougher for sure but also not a liability so compared to Sekac we probably are not losing anything points wise but getting bigger and meaner going into the playoffs. He is also a Canadian kid and only 22 so not a knock against a European but Smith-Pelly may have that extra spark and incentive to battle and get involved more in the playoff rough stuff. If Smith-Pelly can forecheck and bang to make more room on the ice for Gallagher, DD or Pleckanc and it helps them get a couple of extra goals each then there is the offence you are losing from Sekac not being in the lineup. If you have Weise, Smith-Pelly, and Prust each on a different line then the opposing defense may want to keep their heads up for a full 60 minutes.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 24, 2015 13:10:15 GMT -5
And Malholtra this year ... surely if we are expecting 10-15 goals from the third liners, then it isnt much to ask for one goal from the fourth liners. Malholtra was signed for faceoffs and his defensive abilities. Sekac doesn't have those abilities and he doesn't contribute offensively....so, why was he on the team? Apparently he was signed to play with Eller and Prust, cause that is by far and away his most common linemates. But wait ... Eller - one goal since Dec 30th Prust - last goal was on Dec 20th Sekac - last goal was Dec 29th So do you feel Prust deserves to be traded now? He is in a longer drought than any of the linemates. You say Malholtra was acquired for defense and Face-offs ... strange how that third line, plays against the other teams best players more, and has better Corsi numbers. And Malholtra is a -9. The third line was asked to play defensively and they did the role very well. Especially considering the numerous linemates they've had. If MT and MB wanted Sekac to produce (or Eller), then they should be giving them something to work with.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 24, 2015 13:18:49 GMT -5
I think we will regret this one later I agree. I'm in shock. He has all the potential. He's just a rookie under a terrible coach. His upside is huge - see Malkin or Voracek. This deal may help in the short term although i don't know what a 22 year old like SP is going to do for us in this year,s playoffs. SP is probably the safe bet long term but Sekac had significant upside. I loved watching his skill. Very disappointing!
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 24, 2015 13:19:33 GMT -5
I think part of it is the adjustment factor. Most rookies hit a wall after Christmas. I think it's compounded for him because of the adjustment to the 82 game schedule. While the offense wasn't there, he was still playing a sound game defensively. I wonder if that played a factor at all? If Bergevin thinks like many do, that the East is wide open and that with the play of Price and all that, that he should go for it this spring then Smith-Pelly is a more "known" commodity. If Sekac is still adjusting to the size of the ice, AND the length of the season, then what can you expect from him come playoff time? He's never played this much hockey, AND he's never experienced the totally different animal that is the NHL playoffs. Now maybe he will adjust quite well to it, maybe he'll even thrive... but there is no evidence one way or other to actually support that theory. Smith-Pelly on the other hand, HAS played in North America, HAS played on the smaller ice, HAS played the long seasons, and he HAS gone through NHL Playoff University. And did quite well in it, by all accounts. Now of course past performance doesn't guarantee future results, but he is a little less of an unknown than Sekac is.
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Post by Polarice on Feb 24, 2015 13:20:39 GMT -5
Malholtra was signed for faceoffs and his defensive abilities. Sekac doesn't have those abilities and he doesn't contribute offensively....so, why was he on the team? Apparently he was signed to play with Eller and Prust, cause that is by far and away his most common linemates. But wait ... Eller - one goal since Dec 30th Prust - last goal was on Dec 20th Sekac - last goal was Dec 29th So do you feel Prust deserves to be traded now? He is in a longer drought than any of the linemates. You say Malholtra was acquired for defense and Face-offs ... strange how that third line, plays against the other teams best players more, and has better Corsi numbers. And Malholtra is a -9. The third line was asked to play defensively and they did the role very well. Especially considering the numerous linemates they've had. If MT and MB wanted Sekac to produce (or Eller), then they should be giving them something to work with. Eller I can agree with, he has/had a similar role as Sekac and I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded at some point. Prust was not signed for his goal scoring, you know that, you are just trying to poke holes in trading Sekac arguments. Sekac was signed to score goals, period.
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Post by blny on Feb 24, 2015 13:25:46 GMT -5
I think part of it is the adjustment factor. Most rookies hit a wall after Christmas. I think it's compounded for him because of the adjustment to the 82 game schedule. While the offense wasn't there, he was still playing a sound game defensively. I wonder if that played a factor at all? If Bergevin thinks like many do, that the East is wide open and that with the play of Price and all that, that he should go for it this spring then Smith-Pelly is a more "known" commodity. If Sekac is still adjusting to the size of the ice, AND the length of the season, then what can you expect from him come playoff time? He's never played this much hockey, AND he's never experienced the totally different animal that is the NHL playoffs. Now maybe he will adjust quite well to it, maybe he'll even thrive... but there is no evidence one way or other to actually support that theory. Smith-Pelly on the other hand, HAS played in North America, HAS played on the smaller ice, HAS played the long seasons, and he HAS gone through NHL Playoff University. And did quite well in it, by all accounts. Now of course past performance doesn't guarantee future results, but he is a little less of an unknown than Sekac is. In those cause of the 'winter blahs' players usually get over that hump. What's more, Sekac could have been sent to Hamilton. The notion elsewhere is that part of the deal was to make more cap space, but they could have cleared all of Sekac's salary by sending him to Hamilton if that was the concern.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 24, 2015 13:28:25 GMT -5
Perhaps the play of De La Rose really put Sekac into trade talks. DLR seems to have pretty good vision for the game. DLR should have put Eller in trade talks not Sekac imo
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Post by blny on Feb 24, 2015 13:28:39 GMT -5
Apparently he was signed to play with Eller and Prust, cause that is by far and away his most common linemates. But wait ... Eller - one goal since Dec 30th Prust - last goal was on Dec 20th Sekac - last goal was Dec 29th So do you feel Prust deserves to be traded now? He is in a longer drought than any of the linemates. You say Malholtra was acquired for defense and Face-offs ... strange how that third line, plays against the other teams best players more, and has better Corsi numbers. And Malholtra is a -9. The third line was asked to play defensively and they did the role very well. Especially considering the numerous linemates they've had. If MT and MB wanted Sekac to produce (or Eller), then they should be giving them something to work with. Eller I can agree with, he has/had a similar role as Sekac and I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded at some point. Prust was not signed for his goal scoring, you know that, you are just trying to poke holes in trading Sekac arguments. Sekac was signed to score goals, period. ... which is hard to do from the third line. If the logic was slot him there to start the season and see how things go he certainly showed plenty in the first month of the year to warrant a couple of games with Max. Given how Max and DD appear to be notoriously slow starters, maybe that rookie exuberance gets them going quicker. I'm with skilly, in that if you sign a guy because you want him to add offense you first have to put him in position to do that.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 24, 2015 13:30:09 GMT -5
Not sold on this one...we need goal scoring. Not bottom 6 banging winger? Couldn't we packaged him with an Eller and a pick for scoring forward? Sekac didn't much of chance here, all the hype about his conditioning and gym rat didn't mean much. Early on...but at this point give it thumbs down. The guy was averaging almost 14 minutes per game & was well over that in his last two. I think he got opportunities to show his stuff & didn't produce. I don't see a goal on his game log since Dec. 29th. And he spent most of this time with Lars 'Blackhole' Eller. In fact the whole bottom six haven't generated any offense.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 24, 2015 13:33:41 GMT -5
I think we will regret this one later I agree. I'm in shock. He has all the potential. He's just a rookie under a terrible coach. His upside is huge - see Malkin or Voracek. This deal may help in the short term although i don't know what a 22 year old like SP is going to do for us in this year,s playoffs. SP is probably the safe bet long term but Sekac had significant upside. I loved watching his skill. Very disappointing! I too am very disappointed. I never felt Sekac got a real chance. He got stuck in a defensive role and he did what he was told and now they trade him. I think he will do very well out west and we will regret the move.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 24, 2015 13:35:13 GMT -5
I think we will regret this one later I agree. I'm in shock. He has all the potential. He's just a rookie under a terrible coach. His upside is huge - see Malkin or Voracek. This deal may help in the short term although i don't know what a 22 year old like SP is going to do for us in this year,s playoffs. SP is probably the safe bet long term but Sekac had significant upside. I loved watching his skill. Very disappointing! I really liked watching him drop the shoulder and drive to the net... when he was allowed to play offensively.
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Post by Polarice on Feb 24, 2015 13:36:15 GMT -5
Eller I can agree with, he has/had a similar role as Sekac and I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded at some point. Prust was not signed for his goal scoring, you know that, you are just trying to poke holes in trading Sekac arguments. Sekac was signed to score goals, period. ... which is hard to do from the third line. If the logic was slot him there to start the season and see how things go he certainly showed plenty in the first month of the year to warrant a couple of games with Max. Given how Max and DD appear to be notoriously slow starters, maybe that rookie exuberance gets them going quicker. I'm with skilly, in that if you sign a guy because you want him to add offense you first have to put him in position to do that. Agreed.....And playing with Eller hasn't helped him much, but, if he is so talented he should have potted a goal or two in 2 months.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 24, 2015 13:40:50 GMT -5
So DD should have been traded last season? I think so!! Me too. (Sssshhhh).
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Post by blny on Feb 24, 2015 13:40:59 GMT -5
... which is hard to do from the third line. If the logic was slot him there to start the season and see how things go he certainly showed plenty in the first month of the year to warrant a couple of games with Max. Given how Max and DD appear to be notoriously slow starters, maybe that rookie exuberance gets them going quicker. I'm with skilly, in that if you sign a guy because you want him to add offense you first have to put him in position to do that. Agreed.....And playing with Eller hasn't helped him much, but, if he is so talented he should have potted a goal or two in 2 months. Weise had helped Max's line getting it going some. Why didn't mtHead try changing the third line. Put Weise on it, and move Sekac up. Something. Give your UFA goal scorer signing a chance.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 24, 2015 13:44:56 GMT -5
This was tweeted by Marc Antione Godin
That says it in a nutshell right there.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 24, 2015 13:49:40 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 24, 2015 13:57:42 GMT -5
Agreed.....And playing with Eller hasn't helped him much, but, if he is so talented he should have potted a goal or two in 2 months. Weise had helped Max's line getting it going some. Why didn't mtHead try changing the third line. Put Weise on it, and move Sekac up. Something. Give your UFA goal scorer signing a chance. I had posted switching Weise and Sekac a few weeks ago. I agree with you bud. I don't think MT doesn't likes European blondes.
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