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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 13, 2015 8:12:24 GMT -5
I liked looks of team better before trade deadline. Even in our only win in Phoenix it was ugly. Beaulieu been cut way back and was really coming into his own before. Petry not going to be here long term as he will test the market. I see that trade as setback to Beaulieu and waste of 2 picks in really deep draft. Bournival was as good or better then Flynn or Mitchell. I don't know why he did those moves. Beaulieu was last in ice time among dmen with 12+ minutes. I'm surprised HE has been the victim of the Petry acquisition and not Gilbert. After Subban and Markov, Beaulieu was CLEARLY the best guy, an emerging player coming into his own.... and Therrien cuts him off at the knees. What's wrong with Beaulieu/Petry on the 2nd pair and Gonchar/Gilbert on the 3rd pair? That would be 3 pairs with natural L/R shooters. Mitchell and Flynn have been AWFUL. Seriously. Combine their net even strength shot attempts/allowed since they were acquired and it's something like -50. I didn't have a problem with the moves but ONLY if it resulted in real competition on the 4th line. I'd rather have Bournival out there. He's quicker, works hard, and has better hands. The team looks lost right now, but EVERY team goes through slumps. The remarkable thing about the Habs over the past couple of years is they've managed to avoid those truly bad stretches that can sink a season. This is the first real test. My strategy would be to find the best 3 lines and ride them hard. I'm all for 4 lines, but right now too much ice time is going to bad players. Guys like Mitchell, Flynn and Prust/Weise should be playing 8-9 minutes a night, not 11-14. We need offense and we need MAXIMUM ice time going to the top 3 lines. And freaking get Gilbert off the 2nd pair with Petry and get Beaulieu back to playing 20 minutes a game. Sometimes the answer isn't just "work harder" as Therrien would believe. It's "work smarter" and that means "coach smarter" too.
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 13, 2015 8:27:55 GMT -5
I liked looks of team better before trade deadline. Even in our only win in Phoenix it was ugly. Beaulieu been cut way back and was really coming into his own before. Petry not going to be here long term as he will test the market. I see that trade as setback to Beaulieu and waste of 2 picks in really deep draft. Bournival was as good or better then Flynn or Mitchell. I don't know why he did those moves. Beaulieu was last in ice time among dmen with 12+ minutes. I'm surprised HE has been the victim of the Petry acquisition and not Gilbert. After Subban and Markov, Beaulieu was CLEARLY the best guy, an emerging player coming into his own.... and Therrien cuts him off at the knees. What's wrong with Beaulieu/Petry on the 2nd pair and Gonchar/Gilbert on the 3rd pair? That would be 3 pairs with natural L/R shooters. Mitchell and Flynn have been AWFUL. Seriously. Combine their net even strength shot attempts/allowed since they were acquired and it's something like -50. I didn't have a problem with the moves but ONLY if it resulted in real competition on the 4th line. I'd rather have Bournival out there. He's quicker, works hard, and has better hands. The team looks lost right now, but EVERY team goes through slumps. The remarkable thing about the Habs over the past couple of years is they've managed to avoid those truly bad stretches that can sink a season. This is the first real test. My strategy would be to find the best 3 lines and ride them hard. I'm all for 4 lines, but right now too much ice time is going to bad players. Guys like Mitchell, Flynn and Prust/Weise should be playing 8-9 minutes a night, not 11-14. We need offense and we need MAXIMUM ice time going to the top 3 lines. And freaking get Gilbert off the 2nd pair with Petry and get Beaulieu back to playing 20 minutes a game. Sometimes the answer isn't just "work harder" as Therrien would believe. It's "work smarter" and that means "coach smarter" too. While I understand the sentiment (and not just yours, but a lot of people this morning), I think that the fact that we are still in 1st place gives the team a lot of leeway. And I don't mean in a "who cares if they lose" kind of way, but in terms of they can play all these guys wherever they want, just to see what they actually have, and how best to use them going into the playoffs. Or, in the case of Gilbert and say Parenteau, get them going before the playoffs. We don't *need* to win these games, other than for seeding purposes, and frankly speaking I don't see much difference between any of the teams we could potentially meet in the first round. They are all dangerous in their own way. So whether they finish 1st or 4th probably doesn't make much difference. Heck, even 5th or 6th probably doesn't make much difference, as they've proven capable of beating teams on the road. So they have the luxury of tinkering, of playing guys like Flynn and Mitchell and Gilbert for extended periods of time, just to see if they can help once the playoffs start. I don't know if that's the conscious plan, but it certainly can't hurt to have this cushion to see what you have without worrying about it costing you anything significant. In the meantime, that second and third period? Sheesh...
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 13, 2015 8:34:14 GMT -5
I'm sure Molson would prefer the extra gate(s) should a series go to 5 or 7 games.
It's in the owner's best interests to not see home-ice (at least for Round 1) squandered with inept coaching.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 13, 2015 8:55:06 GMT -5
Pateryn recalled.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 13, 2015 9:34:31 GMT -5
Did someone get hurt? I thought Emelin was ready to come back and Weaver has been sitting. Hope MT does not sit Beau. He should be playing him more, not less. Oh well, all is well, we are in first place.
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Post by Polarice on Mar 13, 2015 9:40:25 GMT -5
Why not call up one of the kids for a couple games to light a spark....Scherbak or McCarron. I know they are not NHL ready...but some of the youth and excitement might help. And play them on the top two lines.
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 13, 2015 10:07:06 GMT -5
Beaulieu was last in ice time among dmen with 12+ minutes. I'm surprised HE has been the victim of the Petry acquisition and not Gilbert. After Subban and Markov, Beaulieu was CLEARLY the best guy, an emerging player coming into his own.... and Therrien cuts him off at the knees. What's wrong with Beaulieu/Petry on the 2nd pair and Gonchar/Gilbert on the 3rd pair? That would be 3 pairs with natural L/R shooters. Mitchell and Flynn have been AWFUL. Seriously. Combine their net even strength shot attempts/allowed since they were acquired and it's something like -50. I didn't have a problem with the moves but ONLY if it resulted in real competition on the 4th line. I'd rather have Bournival out there. He's quicker, works hard, and has better hands. The team looks lost right now, but EVERY team goes through slumps. The remarkable thing about the Habs over the past couple of years is they've managed to avoid those truly bad stretches that can sink a season. This is the first real test. My strategy would be to find the best 3 lines and ride them hard. I'm all for 4 lines, but right now too much ice time is going to bad players. Guys like Mitchell, Flynn and Prust/Weise should be playing 8-9 minutes a night, not 11-14. We need offense and we need MAXIMUM ice time going to the top 3 lines. And freaking get Gilbert off the 2nd pair with Petry and get Beaulieu back to playing 20 minutes a game. Sometimes the answer isn't just "work harder" as Therrien would believe. It's "work smarter" and that means "coach smarter" too. While I understand the sentiment (and not just yours, but a lot of people this morning), I think that the fact that we are still in 1st place gives the team a lot of leeway. And I don't mean in a "who cares if they lose" kind of way, but in terms of they can play all these guys wherever they want, just to see what they actually have, and how best to use them going into the playoffs. Or, in the case of Gilbert and say Parenteau, get them going before the playoffs. We don't *need* to win these games, other than for seeding purposes, and frankly speaking I don't see much difference between any of the teams we could potentially meet in the first round. They are all dangerous in their own way. So whether they finish 1st or 4th probably doesn't make much difference. Heck, even 5th or 6th probably doesn't make much difference, as they've proven capable of beating teams on the road. So they have the luxury of tinkering, of playing guys like Flynn and Mitchell and Gilbert for extended periods of time, just to see if they can help once the playoffs start. I don't know if that's the conscious plan, but it certainly can't hurt to have this cushion to see what you have without worrying about it costing you anything significant. In the meantime, that second and third period? Sheesh... BC, I understand your sentiment and agree with the philosophy of getting ready for the playoffs. But I'd be surprised that is MT's strategy and if it is he's employing it poorly. If that were the strategy, he should be resting Markov and Gonchar and playing beau. With respect, i don't think anyone needs to know what gilbert can do - it's the same as his entire career which is very little. I'd be playing Price less so he is fresh for the playoffs. I would be playing Chuck at centre so he can acclimatize to the position and if he doesn't put him back to wing at the 75 game mark. I would also be trying all sorts of line combinations to see what works and let players get familiar with one another. So i don't think MT is looking towards the playoffs. He's just a dumb unimaginative coach. We may be in first but cold easily be in 6th by the end of march. And while it may not matter what position we are in for the playoffs, it does suggest we are a mediocre team which has got to the playoffs on Carey's back. And i feel like that kid in your video. Watching these games sure makes my head hurt.
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Post by Douper on Mar 13, 2015 10:17:17 GMT -5
Players were saying all the right things last, "game is 60...not 20", "We're not suprising anyone" "we're complacent" EXCEPT Parenteau: "We're playing hard"? What in the world is he talking about?
MT needs to turn this ship around in the next 6 games because more than likely it will be us going on the road in Rnd 1. He's been out coached consistently for the last month. I've wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but the guy's just riding Price and if it continues he will be burned out by Game 1 of the post season.
I know he can't change the whole game plan but he can atleast change the forecheck, activate the defense more. Give guys like Beaulieu more than 11 minutes of ice!!!! Especially when it's 4-2, 5-2....Beaulieu should have seen 4 or 5 minutes more. He keeps giving Eller a "chance" on the Top 6 but not once has he put the EGG line back together. Pleky and Patches are GREAT killing penalties and he doesn't use that duo with Weise or DLR.
Before the next bolts game he needs to think outside the box...
I would go with this:
DLR Pleky Patches AGAl Eller BGal DSP DD PAP Prust Mitch Weise
PK Beaulieu Markov Petry Gilbert Gonchar
TRY SOMETHING NEW MT!!!!!!!
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 13, 2015 10:31:30 GMT -5
I don't know if it is because Max loves Desharnais as his center or if it is MT that prefers it but until that line changes, we won't be going far. I wonder if Bergervin has the stones to fire the coach like Lou did to Julien when he was with the Devils, or fire him if they don't get past the first round.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 13, 2015 11:17:01 GMT -5
There is no more 5th and 6th place seeds. A team can only now finish 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 7th or 8th for the wildcard.
Today we are tied for 1st, 6 points out of 3rd, and 9 points out of 7th
As for first line players not being available. That's not true. They were available, and I'm sure there was more available than we even heard about. It is more correct to say, we weren't willing to pay the price of those players.
We heard names like Kessel, and O'Reilly being available ... last year there were other names available as well and we didn't address the need. Like CH said, this top 6 need is not something that just sprung up on us ... it could have been addressed long ago, but we chose to let it fester. Now if Pacioretty is going to miss anytime, ... good luck finding those goals.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 13, 2015 19:32:34 GMT -5
I liked looks of team better before trade deadline. Even in our only win in Phoenix it was ugly. Beaulieu been cut way back and was really coming into his own before. Petry not going to be here long term as he will test the market. I see that trade as setback to Beaulieu and waste of 2 picks in really deep draft. Bournival was as good or better then Flynn or Mitchell. I don't know why he did those moves. Beaulieu was last in ice time among dmen with 12+ minutes. I'm surprised HE has been the victim of the Petry acquisition and not Gilbert. After Subban and Markov, Beaulieu was CLEARLY the best guy, an emerging player coming into his own.... and Therrien cuts him off at the knees. What's wrong with Beaulieu/Petry on the 2nd pair and Gonchar/Gilbert on the 3rd pair? That would be 3 pairs with natural L/R shooters. Mitchell and Flynn have been AWFUL. Seriously. Combine their net even strength shot attempts/allowed since they were acquired and it's something like -50. I didn't have a problem with the moves but ONLY if it resulted in real competition on the 4th line. I'd rather have Bournival out there. He's quicker, works hard, and has better hands. The team looks lost right now, but EVERY team goes through slumps. The remarkable thing about the Habs over the past couple of years is they've managed to avoid those truly bad stretches that can sink a season. This is the first real test. My strategy would be to find the best 3 lines and ride them hard. I'm all for 4 lines, but right now too much ice time is going to bad players. Guys like Mitchell, Flynn and Prust/Weise should be playing 8-9 minutes a night, not 11-14. We need offense and we need MAXIMUM ice time going to the top 3 lines. And freaking get Gilbert off the 2nd pair with Petry and get Beaulieu back to playing 20 minutes a game. Sometimes the answer isn't just "work harder" as Therrien would believe. It's "work smarter" and that means "coach smarter" too. Beaulieu is like Galchenyuk the coach don't use them right. I can understand growing pains with young players as they make mistakes. But they need ice time to gain experience. If skill is there and both has shown it. I hope it don't stall their career. Habs should be like Calgary and how they use Johnny Gaudreau and Monahan. Calgary...isn't that where the other coach we were courting went back when Therrein signed here? Imagine if he came here be much difference for our young players. Bournival is another player who is better than chance he has been given.
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Post by duster on Mar 13, 2015 22:42:55 GMT -5
When Price is merely mortal, we're not contenders. It's that simple. A contending team can compensate when the goalie has an average night. Bringing up Pateryn isn't going to change a thing and Therrien is not the coach who will make the difference. I didn't expect them to be a contending team this year so I'm not disappointed. A few pieces are still missing. As Red Fisher would say "Show me the players!!"
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Post by Skilly on Mar 14, 2015 8:13:31 GMT -5
TSN saying that Wilson tried to trade Joe Thornton .... He had a NMC, but I wonder if he'd have come to a first place team
Speaking of Joe, he accuses his GM of lying ... Hmmmm ....something in the air, must be spring!
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Post by jkr on Mar 14, 2015 9:35:44 GMT -5
TSN saying that Wilson tried to trade Joe Thornton .... He had a NMC, but I wonder if he'd have come to a first place team Speaking of Joe, he accuses his GM of lying ... Hmmmm ....something in the air, must be spring! Actually said it was time for Doug to "shut his mouth". Can't see Thornton staying in SJ unless Wilson goes first.
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