|
Post by PTH on Mar 19, 2015 8:02:20 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Skilly on Mar 19, 2015 8:06:33 GMT -5
We are going to need him for the playoffs ...
|
|
|
Post by Dschens on Mar 19, 2015 8:21:16 GMT -5
Reminds me of Chris Borland from the 49ers. He got a concussion in last seasons training camp and didn't say anything because he wanted to get a roster spot. Now he has retired after his rookie season. That's the problem with all the money on the table for these guys.
Speedy but mainly fully recovery, Michaƫl!
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Mar 19, 2015 8:44:38 GMT -5
I had posted a couple of times that Bourni has not been the same since he came back from the injury. Quick and full recovery young man.
|
|
|
Post by jkr on Mar 19, 2015 9:48:52 GMT -5
I think this may be his second as well. Didn't he sit out games last year too?
I guess guys on the bubble are willing to risk a lot.
|
|
|
Post by BadCompany on Mar 19, 2015 10:07:59 GMT -5
I think this may be his second as well. Didn't he sit out games last year too? I guess guys on the bubble are willing to risk a lot. They don't really have much choice. What's Bournival going to do if he gets labelled as "concussion prone?" Think he's got any future in the NHL? He's done. His hockey career is over. Maybe he can catch on with an AHL or European team, but there are restrictions on the number of guys like him that can play on those teams already, and again... he's "concussion prone". As a European squad are you going to risk one of your few import spots on a player who may miss a lot of time? Same with the AHL or ECHL; are you going to give a pro contract to a guy like that? Bournival is young, yes, but he also has no education (the CHL scholorship rules are a joke) and while he's made more money than most kids his age, by a lot, it's nowhere near enough to retire on, or do anything like that. His entire life has been geared towards being a hockey player, and that's potentially going to be taken away from him because he "feels dizzy." It's no wonder guys in his position feel it necessary to hide these things. I'm sure he's aware of the risks, but what other choice does he have?
|
|
|
Post by blny on Mar 19, 2015 10:21:44 GMT -5
You're more prone to them if you don't allow for proper recovery. His hiding it, the team not sensing it and putting him through the concussion protocols, is bothersome.
|
|
|
Post by jkr on Mar 19, 2015 10:31:23 GMT -5
I think this may be his second as well. Didn't he sit out games last year too? I guess guys on the bubble are willing to risk a lot. They don't really have much choice. What's Bournival going to do if he gets labelled as "concussion prone?" Think he's got any future in the NHL? He's done. His hockey career is over. Maybe he can catch on with an AHL or European team, but there are restrictions on the number of guys like him that can play on those teams already, and again... he's "concussion prone". As a European squad are you going to risk one of your few import spots on a player who may miss a lot of time? Same with the AHL or ECHL; are you going to give a pro contract to a guy like that? Bournival is young, yes, but he also has no education (the CHL scholorship rules are a joke) and while he's made more money than most kids his age, by a lot, it's nowhere near enough to retire on, or do anything like that. His entire life has been geared towards being a hockey player, and that's potentially going to be taken away from him because he "feels dizzy." It's no wonder guys in his position feel it necessary to hide these things. I'm sure he's aware of the risks, but what other choice does he have? Sure he has a choice. He can read League of Denial ( about the NFL & its concussion protocols) - there's a long, sad list of players that played through multiple concussions only to suffer serious health problems in early middle age. Now I know a guy in his twenties isn't likely to look 20 years down the road but they have to. Read the stories of the decline of people like Dave Duerson, Mike Webster or Junior Seau to name a few. There's more to life than a hockey career, especially for a guy like Bournival that's always going to be on the bubble. Is it really worth it? Does he want to be that guy who slips into depression and suicide by the time he's 40? Someone has to sit him down & explain the risks & if necessary shut him down for the season - at least.
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Mar 19, 2015 10:33:07 GMT -5
If he is under contract and has a concussion and it is proven that he is susceptible to concussions and this forces the doctors to say he needs to retire because of it, would the insurance kick in and give him an annual benefit of some sort... not what he's making as a player but some amount? Does the NHLPA not have something like this?
|
|
|
Post by Skilly on Mar 19, 2015 12:27:39 GMT -5
If he is under contract and has a concussion and it is proven that he is susceptible to concussions and this forces the doctors to say he needs to retire because of it, would the insurance kick in and give him an annual benefit of some sort... not what he's making as a player but some amount? Does the NHLPA not have something like this? I believe, if forced to retire, Bournival would collect his NHL pension. One of the big wins for the players in the last CBA was their pensions. The old CBA gave them a maximum pension of $50,000 US but only if they played a minimum of 160 games. It was also a defined contribution plan. Now they have a defined benefit plan. The players argued that the average career is 2.9 years and that isnt enough time to earn a reasonable pension based on typical pension calculations (2% a year for every year worked). So I believe, they changed it to be a defined benefit that kicks in after retirement. (could be wrong there ...)
|
|
|
Post by Skilly on Mar 19, 2015 12:36:25 GMT -5
Just did some checking ... I am not sure if they can get the pension immediately. But if they are on an NHL roster (either active, injured, etc) for the full length if the new CBA, they will receive a $255,000 pension.
Pensions will be calculated based on games on the active rostive (not games played), ... there is an example of a journeyman bouncing around the AHL and NHL for 3 years and then catching on to the NHL and receiving a pension of $197,000.
Bournival has been on the roster now for 3 years, a quick proration ... the CBA is for 10 years (?) ... his pension would be $76,500. More than mine will ever be.
|
|
|
Post by Skilly on Mar 19, 2015 12:49:15 GMT -5
Bournival is young, yes, but he also has no education (the CHL scholorship rules are a joke) They are a joke if you continue playing hockey ... going to Europe, pursuing the NHL dream, etc. But they are given $10,000 for every year they played in the CHL, if they decide to pursue post-secondary education, within 18 months of leaving the CHL. That's pretty significant. The NHL minimum salary being $525,000 a year. Bournival's cap hit is $870,000, and as far as I can tell, he has grossed over $1.6 million in his career (not counting his AHL salary). Surely, in today's day and age, it can't be hard for these guys to bank $40,000 (the CHL scholarship) just in case it doesnt work out ...
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Mar 19, 2015 13:13:42 GMT -5
The problem is a lot of them think they are indestructible and could not imagine only playing 2 years...so I would think they would, after signing their 1st NHL contract, help their parents and siblings out, splurge some on themselves and after 2 years probably have less money saved than most people would think.
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Mar 19, 2015 13:54:16 GMT -5
I hope he heals and if able to play, continues to do so. I also hope both the league and NHLPA do something about this. With the increased speed in the game, concussions are going to happen more frequently than in the past. Severe penalties for head shots is a good start, if they ever get the courage to do so.
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Mar 19, 2015 14:01:32 GMT -5
I hope he heals and if able to play, continues to do so. I also hope both the league and NHLPA do something about this. With the increased speed in the game, concussions are going to happen more frequently than in the past. Severe penalties for head shots is a good start, if they ever get the courage to do so. Kadri got 4 games for the hit on Fraser, but it should have been more imo. It was a direct head shot with a player already engaged.
|
|
|
Post by GNick99 on Mar 19, 2015 17:16:31 GMT -5
I thought he should be playing better. Now I know..lol..before I blamed it on Therrein. Beaulieu and Galchenyuk have underachieved also. Guess not all Therrein
|
|