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Post by CentreHice on Mar 30, 2015 21:14:39 GMT -5
Didn't get it in gear until the third period.
We got schooled for the first 40 minutes...can't figure that out.
We showed, at times, that we can play with them...but I'll leave it to the astute analysts here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 21:16:53 GMT -5
Lulling them into a false sense of domination, we'll sneak up on em and beat em in the playoffs on the back of 60 minute efforts and the best goalie in the universe.
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Post by Disp on Mar 30, 2015 21:22:01 GMT -5
Lulling them into a false sense of domination, we'll sneak up on em and beat em in the playoffs on the back of 60 minute efforts and the best goalie in the universe. I like that. We're doing a hell of a job then . They lose their sh!t vs this team. Just clueless for long stretches.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 30, 2015 21:49:04 GMT -5
Yeah. Too wound up? Too anxious to win against them? Too hateful? In some ways, respect is good. Not too much respect, but enough so that you're not too amped and not so little that you're psyched out.
I was really disappointed in that 2nd goal. We tie the game shorthanded and then we let Drouin sneak behind us for a back breaking breakaway. The team noticeably let down after that and didn't get their mojo back till it was too late. That was, not inexcusable, but a really bad mistake.
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Post by PTH on Mar 31, 2015 0:07:25 GMT -5
MT saying that we just didn't execute and that the D had a tough night all-around. Very short presser. Was also ticked off at the lack of discipline. Weise clearly lost some browny points tonight.
L'antichambre crew mentionning how DSP just wouldn't have had the footspeed for this one.
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 31, 2015 1:28:31 GMT -5
Are the Bolts this good or are we incapable of playing well against them. Can't think of anyone who played well and loads who played poorly: all the D, all the top 6, Rosey. And I just don't get Flynn and Mitchell. I just don't see what they bring.
Our PP looked good but no production.
Petry has played very poorly since he was hit from behind a few games ago. Dumb plays and not alert. I believe he got a concussion and may not know it.
Glad MT finally changed the lines. I really wish he's try the GEG line. Eller is playing much better offensively and who knows what could get started.
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Post by habsorbed on Mar 31, 2015 1:29:21 GMT -5
Are the Bolts this good or are we incapable of playing well against them. Can't think of anyone who played well and loads who played poorly: all the D, all the top 6, Rosey. And I just don't get Flynn and Mitchell. I just don't see what they bring.
Our PP looked good but no production.
Petry has played very poorly since he was hit from behind a few games ago. Dumb plays and not alert. I believe he got a concussion and may not know it.
Glad MT finally changed the lines. I really wish he'd try the GEG line. Eller is playing much better offensively and who knows what could get started.
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Post by blny on Mar 31, 2015 3:42:13 GMT -5
Couldn't stay out of the penalty box in the first. It's between the ears at this point.
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Post by jkr on Mar 31, 2015 5:15:14 GMT -5
MT saying that we just didn't execute and that the D had a tough night all-around. Very short presser. Was also ticked off at the lack of discipline. Weise clearly lost some browny points tonight. L'antichambre crew mentionning how DSP just wouldn't have had the footspeed for this one. Boy, they really don't like him when they start speculating on how he would have played if he had been in uniform. Kind of a reach isn't it?
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Post by Disp on Mar 31, 2015 5:28:24 GMT -5
Big reach. Kind of funny though, it seemed like nobody In the lineup could keep up either.
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 31, 2015 6:53:04 GMT -5
Boy, they really don't like him when they start speculating on how he would have played if he had been in uniform. Kind of a reach isn't it? I remember a LOOONG time ago when I used to visit Hockeys Future, and Ron Hainsey was the whipping boy du jour somebody posting a game report from a Bulldogs match, and just ripping Hainsey. Selfish, no hockey sense, undisciplined, weak defensively, weak physically, the usuals. Except... Hainsey hadn't played that game. Missed it with the flu or something. When I pointed that out I was told "well, I didn't mean yesterday... I just meant Hainsey in general." Anywhoo... I take full blame for this loss guys. Since raving about how much I like the defense, and in particular the addition of Petry, the defensemen, including Petry, have been crap. Last night was one of the most brutal displays of defensive awareness that I have seen in a long time. Just awful. They couldn't even turn the right way when switching from forward to backwards. It was like watching a Novice team out there, and I should know, I coach Novice teams. Ug-with-a-ly. Oh well. I guess the positive we can take from this is that despite playing an absolutely atrocious game they were still one cross-bar away from stealing a point, if not more. (oh, and if Gallagher and Subban thought they weren't getting any calls from the refs before, they certainly aren't going to get any now after nailing one with a clearing shot and slew-footing the other)
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Post by PTH on Mar 31, 2015 7:57:54 GMT -5
MT saying that we just didn't execute and that the D had a tough night all-around. Very short presser. Was also ticked off at the lack of discipline. Weise clearly lost some browny points tonight. L'antichambre crew mentionning how DSP just wouldn't have had the footspeed for this one. Boy, they really don't like him when they start speculating on how he would have played if he had been in uniform. Kind of a reach isn't it? Well, he *is* very slow, and it *was* a very fast-paced game, I didn't think they were off-base. It's like saying an older Hal Gill or Douglas Murray would've been too slow for this one - not bashing, just a point of fact. When you've got a series of former NHLers (or ex-coaches) all agreeing on something, it does carry some (not much, but some) weight IMO.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 31, 2015 8:05:53 GMT -5
And I just don't get Flynn and Mitchell. I just don't see what they bring. I think Berg saw the DSP, Mitchell, Flynn moves as upside and not a lot of downside. I think I like Sekac, Bournival, and Thomas better but Berg likes big and battle tested 3rd and 4th liners so he made mostly a low-risk call. That said, it hasn't worked out in our favor. Those guys suck. The Bolts just have our number. It's that simple. I hope somebody else beats them in the playoffs because we can't.
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Post by Polarice on Mar 31, 2015 8:23:34 GMT -5
Our Defense had their worst game of the year.....I'm amazed it even got close in the end.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Mar 31, 2015 8:42:11 GMT -5
As poor as our coverage was, I am still unimpressed with our ability to exit the zone efficiently and with speed. Tampa isn't afraid to use the middle of the ice on breakouts and they are lightning quick in transition. We still seem to prefer to use the boards, which usually results in a contested puck battle near the blue line or the winger gets the puck standing still and his only play is to find the centerman. Tampa frequently uses the middle on breakouts, which is riskier I suppose, but they get the benefit of hitting the centerman with speed who then has a carry or pass option through the neutral zone. I saw too many zone exits that were easily thwarted and just resulted in lost possession and another wave of Tampa offense.
That's still my beef with Therrien. The wins and losses have been there, but the X's and O's seem lacking. The PP is a coaching problem, IMO, and we are too risk averse on breakouts.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 31, 2015 9:34:26 GMT -5
Guys…we don't have the strength down the middle. We're the Perimeter Posse. Chipping it around the boards/glass on breakouts….dumping and trying to retrieve along the boards at the other end.
Gotta be able to command the centre of the ice as well.
Listening to Norman Flynn on TSN690 just now…and he's saying maybe Pacioretty or somebody can go to Therrien and ask if a scoring line can be put together who have the green light to play their own system.
Didn't Pacioretty say the atmosphere is really good on the team?
I wonder how far the leaders can go in suggesting variations of strategies, systems, PPs, line combos, etc.
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Post by HabSolute on Mar 31, 2015 10:08:41 GMT -5
Guys…we don't have the strength down the middle. We're the Perimeter Posse. Chipping it around the boards/glass on breakouts….dumping and trying to retrieve along the boards at the other end. Gotta be able to command the centre of the ice as well. Listening to Norman Flynn on TSN690 just now…and he's saying maybe Pacioretty or somebody can go to Therrien and ask if a scoring line can be put together who have the green light to play their own system. Didn't Pacioretty say the atmosphere is really good on the team? I wonder how far the leaders can go in suggesting variations of strategies, systems, PPs, line combos, etc. I agree, and the last 5 games of the season (not the first 4 of the playoffs) is a good time to try a few things. What have they got to lose? president's trophee ? Who cares....
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 31, 2015 10:36:39 GMT -5
Guys…we don't have the strength down the middle. We're the Perimeter Posse. Chipping it around the boards/glass on breakouts….dumping and trying to retrieve along the boards at the other end. Gotta be able to command the centre of the ice as well. Listening to Norman Flynn on TSN690 just now…and he's saying maybe Pacioretty or somebody can go to Therrien and ask if a scoring line can be put together who have the green light to play their own system. Didn't Pacioretty say the atmosphere is really good on the team? I wonder how far the leaders can go in suggesting variations of strategies, systems, PPs, line combos, etc. I can't see that happening. The system is risk prevention at all costs... when in doubt, play defense... even when behind. They can play an offensive game but the hesitating kills them every time. Also, can they please give Markov a game or 2 off before the playoffs... we need him rested.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 31, 2015 11:07:36 GMT -5
Therrien threw the boys under the bus in this one….which is silly….because this type of game has happened quite a few times this year….only Price was able to bail us out.
Maybe not 44 shots against….but in the upper 30s for sure.
The same problems/weaknesses have been here all year…and they're certainly not restricted to player execution.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 31, 2015 11:23:40 GMT -5
As poor as our coverage was, I am still unimpressed with our ability to exit the zone efficiently and with speed. Tampa isn't afraid to use the middle of the ice on breakouts and they are lightning quick in transition. We still seem to prefer to use the boards, which usually results in a contested puck battle near the blue line or the winger gets the puck standing still and his only play is to find the centerman. Tampa frequently uses the middle on breakouts, which is riskier I suppose, but they get the benefit of hitting the centerman with speed who then has a carry or pass option through the neutral zone. I saw too many zone exits that were easily thwarted and just resulted in lost possession and another wave of Tampa offense. That's still my beef with Therrien. The wins and losses have been there, but the X's and O's seem lacking. The PP is a coaching problem, IMO, and we are too risk averse on breakouts. That's been my take all year. It could very well be that we had a bad game last night, but c'mon now, that's 4 bad games against these guys. Is that really the reason? A system without a centre option is an illusion of safety. Yes, if you lose the puck down the middle, it's a dangerous spot for a turnover. But these are NHL players. They can make a 10 foot pass most of the time, especially if the forechecking team has all it's players along the boards. Guess what's open? It's also much easier to make a good 10 foot pass than a good 60 foot pass, which would make even a marginal defenseman look good. Tampa was using Barberio and Witkowski as a 3rd pairing. Seriously? They were missing Johnson, Coburn,, Garrison, Sustr...half their defense and their second leading scorer. Partway through the game they lost Hedman, and they still won relatively easily. I can't be the only guy who's concerned after losing to a team weakened that much.
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 31, 2015 11:38:15 GMT -5
As poor as our coverage was, I am still unimpressed with our ability to exit the zone efficiently and with speed. Tampa isn't afraid to use the middle of the ice on breakouts and they are lightning quick in transition. We still seem to prefer to use the boards, which usually results in a contested puck battle near the blue line or the winger gets the puck standing still and his only play is to find the centerman. Tampa frequently uses the middle on breakouts, which is riskier I suppose, but they get the benefit of hitting the centerman with speed who then has a carry or pass option through the neutral zone. I saw too many zone exits that were easily thwarted and just resulted in lost possession and another wave of Tampa offense. That's still my beef with Therrien. The wins and losses have been there, but the X's and O's seem lacking. The PP is a coaching problem, IMO, and we are too risk averse on breakouts. That's been my take all year. It could very well be that we had a bad game last night, but c'mon now, that's 4 bad games against these guys. Is that really the reason? A system without a centre option is an illusion of safety. Yes, if you lose the puck down the middle, it's a dangerous spot for a turnover. But these are NHL players. They can make a 10 foot pass most of the time, especially if the forechecking team has all it's players along the boards. Guess what's open? It's also much easier to make a good 10 foot pass than a good 60 foot pass, which would make even a marginal defenseman look good. Tampa was using Barberio and Witkowski as a 3rd pairing. Seriously? They were missing Johnson, Coburn,, Garrison, Sustr...half their defense and their second leading scorer. Partway through the game they lost Hedman, and they still won relatively easily. I can't be the only guy who's concerned after losing to a team weakened that much. Nope. I am very concerned. We are primed to get knocked out of the first round, especially if we play Detroit.
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Post by frozone on Mar 31, 2015 13:04:05 GMT -5
That's been my take all year. It could very well be that we had a bad game last night, but c'mon now, that's 4 bad games against these guys. Is that really the reason? A system without a centre option is an illusion of safety. Yes, if you lose the puck down the middle, it's a dangerous spot for a turnover. But these are NHL players. They can make a 10 foot pass most of the time, especially if the forechecking team has all it's players along the boards. Guess what's open? It's also much easier to make a good 10 foot pass than a good 60 foot pass, which would make even a marginal defenseman look good. Tampa was using Barberio and Witkowski as a 3rd pairing. Seriously? They were missing Johnson, Coburn,, Garrison, Sustr...half their defense and their second leading scorer. Partway through the game they lost Hedman, and they still won relatively easily. I can't be the only guy who's concerned after losing to a team weakened that much. Nope. I am very concerned. We are primed to get knocked out of the first round, especially if we play Detroit. Add me to the list of concerned fans. We rely on Price and general team character to win our games. I fail to see how our "system" wins us our games. I don't see strong defensive or offensive strategies. I'm not bashing Therrien. I think he's the right guy for the job in a city like Montreal and I don't want him fired. What I'm hoping for is that he realizes some of the team's key weaknesses and makes the appropriate adjustments. It's too easy to just point to our record and pretend nothing is broken. There's too many red flags to ignore at this point. But you never know... Price is good enough to win the cup by himself.
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Post by Polarice on Mar 31, 2015 13:12:48 GMT -5
What I found disturbing last night was our forwards would gain the zone, and then dump it in the corner.....really? Where is the logic in that??
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Post by duster on Mar 31, 2015 13:58:45 GMT -5
What I found disturbing last night was our forwards would gain the zone, and then dump it in the corner.....really? Where is the logic in that?? I find it a frustrating system to watch and I suspect it must be frustrating for the more creative players to some degree. As long as MT is coach, that's the system we have.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 31, 2015 14:39:28 GMT -5
What I found disturbing last night was our forwards would gain the zone, and then dump it in the corner.....really? Where is the logic in that?? I think the response to that is that the puck is supposed to go to specific locations, and I assume someone is supposed to be there to gather it. Is that what is meant by the lack of execution? I would think that's what the cycling game is about, but in those cases, the other team is giving you certain spaces to keep you from other spaces (the front of the net for example). If a team plays its system really well, the only tactic to breaking it is who can beat, one on one, their immediate checker. That's why skilled guys are so valuable. Once that one guy is beaten, it forces other defenders out of their preferred locations and you get the other team running around. I keep coming back to the thought that we were too psyched up last night. The coach and leaders on the team have to provide the example and the guidance. Play hard, but not dumb. Finish your checks or just get in their way. Keep your head on a swivel. Stay disciplined. Don't have two guys go after the puck carrier. It wasn't just Eller and Pateryn that got caught in that. The Lightning scored on that play, but earlier, Plekanec and our D both went to Stamkos and he was able to pass and set up a 2 on 1 that Carey made a good save on. I think we actually need to dial down our blood pressure against Tampa. We're going to be up for the game, no question. The risk is being too up for the game and playing like we saw yesterday.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 31, 2015 14:57:25 GMT -5
Too often to be anomalies, I've seen our forwards carry it in and dump it into the same corner to which they're headed. The idea, obviously, is to make the dman turn to retrieve while you're bearing down on him to begin the puck battle along the boards. The puck support comes in and hopefully the cycling begins.
How's it working? Quite often it's just a prolonged turnover.
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Post by Polarice on Mar 31, 2015 16:07:28 GMT -5
To be clear, I don't mind the dump and chase system.....when it's done correctly, before you reach the blue line!! More often than not, they are crossing the blue line and then dumping it in the corner. Even when they are not being pressured!! They should be either taking it to the net for a shot or if covered a pass and wait for a rebound. Or even when pressured, or the lane taken away, then dump in in the corner. There are so many options once you gain the zone other than an automatic dump.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Mar 31, 2015 16:18:35 GMT -5
If the Habs play the Bolts in the playoffs, Therrien's going to have to realize that the chip and chase game plan will not work against these guys.
Tampa is just too quick of a team.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 31, 2015 16:48:25 GMT -5
If the Habs play the Bolts in the playoffs, Therrien's going to have to realize that the chip and chase game plan will not work against these guys. Tampa is just too quick of a team. Hey FG. Great to see you checking in! I agree…..but Therrien's had 5 lessons so far this year with the same result. If he hasn't yet learned…..
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Post by HFTO on Mar 31, 2015 16:57:46 GMT -5
No adjustments ever ever ....MT system has given him results because he has the best goalie ....granted we are weak in certain areas but playing the same way against every team won't cut it IMO....I'd bet heavily this team gets our coached and loses in the first round barring a Price miracle.
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