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Post by blny on Apr 12, 2015 0:50:59 GMT -5
Just some love for the best tandem in the league. - First in points, combined 110 points. Weber and Josi had 100 points.
- Second in combined goals (near as I can tell) with 25. Weber and Josi had 30.
- Both in the top ten for +/-. If I'm right that McDonagh plays with Girardi, they're the best tandem in the league.
- Subban second in the league for game winners, as a pair second in league behind Preds.
- Of the top 15 in scoring there's no one close in plus minus.
- Most PP goals as a tandem.
The only one older than Markov, with more points, is Streit. Andrei will go largely unrecognized again, but 36, 50 points, plus 22 after the achilles tear, and the knees, it's just remarkable. Really.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 12, 2015 13:29:12 GMT -5
Markov is our Bill Masteron Trophy nominee I believe
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Post by blny on Apr 12, 2015 13:33:39 GMT -5
Markov is our Bill Masteron Trophy nominee I believe Yes, I believe that's the case.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 12, 2015 13:34:18 GMT -5
Not sure of pairings ..but ...
Wideman Giordano has 26 goals Wideman Brodie have 26 goals
Daley Klingberg have 27 goals
Ekman-Larson has 23 goals, his partner has to have 2 ...lol... Doesn't he?
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Post by seventeen on Apr 12, 2015 13:51:39 GMT -5
If I was looking at Norris candidates, Ekman Larsson would be at or near the top of my list. Giordano for sure if he hadn't gotten injured, but even then I think he should be considered. Those would be my two. Ekman-Larsson has really flown under the radar because of his team.
I don't want to throw the thread in another direction so, yes, PK and Markov have had a very good year as a pair. While Markov's legs have slowed down, his brain hasn't. He also has to have one of the heaviest wrist shots in the league. They had a few hiccups at the end of the regular season, but that's probably due to having clinched and not needing to be at their best.
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Post by blny on Apr 12, 2015 13:58:16 GMT -5
I had the stats on the nhl page sorted to try and account for as many as possible, focusing on the top 10 in scoring for a lot of it. I respect OEL's 23 goals on a weak team, but he's well outside the top ten in overall scoring and that -18 is a stickler for me. I just can't nominate a guy for Norris with that stat.
Giordano would definitely have gotten a nomination from me had he not got injured. He was having a fabulous season. Got to play the whole year though, or lead the league despite missing the time.
I think the nominees will be Karlsson, Subban, and Josi.
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Post by franko on Apr 12, 2015 14:11:43 GMT -5
THN's talking head says Weber. says "The Norris goes to the blueliner deemed to have displayed the greatest all-around ability, not the one who makes the most highlight reels."
I think he'll be in the mix with Josi and Karlsson, with PK on the outside looking in along with Keith.
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Post by blny on Apr 12, 2015 14:29:04 GMT -5
THN's talking head says Weber. says "The Norris goes to the blueliner deemed to have displayed the greatest all-around ability, not the one who makes the most highlight reels." I think he'll be in the mix with Josi and Karlsson, with PK on the outside looking in along with Keith. IMO, that's the blind Toronto media picking a guy based on name and not performance. 20 games ago, he and Josi were a dead heat for points, +/-, goals. In the last 20 games, Josi has separated himself from his team mate. IMO, Weber isn't the best on his team and the league isn't nominating two from the same team. None of that even takes into consideration the ease of playing in Nashville. Think what Subban's numbers would be like if he got to play in obscurity. Tied for second in points with a guy who plays a fair amount of forward here and there and hugely better defensively. IMO, the 6 point difference from Karlsson is made up by the difference in +/-. People like to focus on mistakes that PK makes, and yes he makes mistakes. In reality, despite attempts from his detractors to claim otherwise, he doesn't make anymore than the rest of the best. People like to talk about PK's shot, but of top 30 in scoring, only Klingberg and Kronwall have a better shooting percentage. When you look at the number of shots he's taken compared to the rest of the league, it's very low. If anything, he should be shooting more. If PK took 292 shots like Karlsson did, with his 8.8% shooting, he'd have 25 goals. Shoot more I say. Shoot more. A nomination, or even consideration, of Keith would be even worse than Weber. There are a host of guys who've had better seasons. Carlson in Washington. Wideman in Calgary. Maybe even Barrie in Colorado. MARKOV in Montreal. Fact is, no one in the top fifteen in scoring fared as well in their own end as Subban and Markov. If Subban and Markov had the forward depth of the Hawks, imagine their seasons ...
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Post by franko on Apr 12, 2015 14:47:19 GMT -5
fully agree . . . it's all talking heads
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Post by Skilly on Apr 12, 2015 16:25:27 GMT -5
THN's talking head says Weber. says "The Norris goes to the blueliner deemed to have displayed the greatest all-around ability, not the one who makes the most highlight reels." I think he'll be in the mix with Josi and Karlsson, with PK on the outside looking in along with Keith. IMO, that's the blind Toronto media picking a guy based on name and not performance. 20 games ago, he and Josi were a dead heat for points, +/-, goals. In the last 20 games, Josi has separated himself from his team mate. IMO, Weber isn't the best on his team and the league isn't nominating two from the same team. None of that even takes into consideration the ease of playing in Nashville. Think what Subban's numbers would be like if he got to play in obscurity. Tied for second in points with a guy who plays a fair amount of forward here and there and hugely better defensively. IMO, the 6 point difference from Karlsson is made up by the difference in +/-. People like to focus on mistakes that PK makes, and yes he makes mistakes. In reality, despite attempts from his detractors to claim otherwise, he doesn't make anymore than the rest of the best. People like to talk about PK's shot, but of top 30 in scoring, only Klingberg and Kronwall have a better shooting percentage. When you look at the number of shots he's taken compared to the rest of the league, it's very low. If anything, he should be shooting more. If PK took 292 shots like Karlsson did, with his 8.8% shooting, he'd have 25 goals. Shoot more I say. Shoot more. A nomination, or even consideration, of Keith would be even worse than Weber. There are a host of guys who've had better seasons. Carlson in Washington. Wideman in Calgary. Maybe even Barrie in Colorado. MARKOV in Montreal. Fact is, no one in the top fifteen in scoring fared as well in their own end as Subban and Markov. If Subban and Markov had the forward depth of the Hawks, imagine their seasons ... Whoaaaaa I don't talk about his shots. "Shots" are defined as those that hit the net I complain about the HIGH percentage of shots he takes that are blocked or go wide, ....and they DO NOT count in shooting percentage. Weber should not get a Norris nod over Subban. Despite Subban's mistakes, most are on the offensive side of the ice, he tends to make up for them by getting back. Not many of his mistakes find their way behind Price. I've said it often enough lately. Of the defensemen with more than 40 points, Subban and Markov are #1 and #2. That shows that Subban does have an all around ability
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Post by blny on Apr 12, 2015 16:35:24 GMT -5
Those comments were directed at you skilly. That said, it would be interesting to see who has more of their shots blocked. I dare say PK is no worse than the rest. Could he develop and 'offspeed' shot? Sure. But I'd wager he gets as many shots through as the best.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 12, 2015 16:42:25 GMT -5
Those comments were directed at you skilly. That said, it would be interesting to see who has more of their shots blocked. I dare say PK is no worse than the rest. Could he develop and 'offspeed' shot? Sure. But I'd wager he gets as many shots through as the best. I've ran the numbers before ... He hits the net with about 20% of his shots directed toward the net. 1 in 5 .... That's low for 9 million. When I did it before, I went through every gamesheet since the NHL doesn't seem to tabulate totals for A/B. That their nomenclature for attempts at net blocked. They record them in the individual game sheets, would be easy to add to their site stats, but I can't find it .... It used to be in their advance stats, but it's gone now. I'm not going through 82 gamesheet to show what I know ....
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Post by Skilly on Apr 12, 2015 16:54:09 GMT -5
I have to recant a bit .... When I ran the numbers it was 1 in 3 (not 1 in 5) and it was only on the powerplay in games up to some time in November. (No wonder I went through the game sheets, there weren't that many lol)
Did he improve as the season wore on? I don't know, it would be an interesting and laborious exercise. But our PP sure isn't much better.
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Post by blny on Apr 12, 2015 17:10:28 GMT -5
To compare Karlsson to Subban, the NHL says Karlsson took 292 shots that hit the net, and his % of those that went in was 7. something. Are we to assume that, with that many shots counting statistically, he didn't have at least as many blocked as Subban? Further to that, I think it would be interesting to see if Karlsson landed significantly more 5-on-5 shots on net. My point is I'm hard pressed to believe that of the guys in the top ten in scoring PK is miles ahead in shots attempted that are blocked. I'd still like to see PK shoot more, especially 5-on-5.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 12, 2015 17:15:11 GMT -5
I don't mind him shooting .... I just want him hitting the net more on the PP.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 12, 2015 17:19:49 GMT -5
one thing is for certain .... Karlsson shoots more than Subban, and misses the net twice as much too.
Not sure about how many of his are blocked though
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Post by blny on Apr 12, 2015 17:27:29 GMT -5
I do like that Markov has been shooting more on the PP of late. The more he shoots on the PP, the more it opens things up for PK's shot.
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