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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 21:14:59 GMT -5
Sens gooned it up early, took a fair bit of penalties.
Dale Weise. How good is this guy.
Some controversy on the GWG. Was it a hand pass by Prust? Was it out of play? No matter. PK was highsticked in the first period, and they scored on the same shift.
0 for 6 on the powerplay.
What a game.
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Post by Disp on Apr 19, 2015 21:19:30 GMT -5
Off the stanchion, good goal. Crushing defeat for the sens. Looks good on them.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 19, 2015 21:19:35 GMT -5
The puck hit a stanchion or the glass and bounced towards Prust's head. Prust raised his hand...but missed it.
It bounced down to Mitchell...and the rest is OTTAWA'S HISTORY!!!!
(not being cocky....just did it for the cheap joke!)
We survived despite our most horrid of PPs.
Price with a fantastic glove save on Stone!
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Post by blny on Apr 19, 2015 21:21:03 GMT -5
Puck might have hit something on bench, or Prust's head. Was hard to tell from CBC camera. Definitely not the hand.
That first period was brutal, but they survived, and almost tied it late.
The PP is a disaster. Not only should Weise be put on the first line, but he should get PP time. He's clutch. He can skate and bang with DSP, and he's got far better hands.
I'd put Pateryn in for game 4.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 19, 2015 21:21:05 GMT -5
The Habs are getting goals from the lower lines ... this is a nice pattern ... just sayin' ... was it just me or did the Senators just stop hitting ... Karlsson was probably the best player on the ice tonight ... never saw the physical side of him before, at least not like this ... leading from the front ... nothing wrong with Mark Stone ... I think he's injured, but he's got the soft hands ... good on the guys for weathering that 1st-period storm ... liked that 2nd period effort ... it's not over yet ... gotta finish these guys off on Wednesday ...
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Apr 19, 2015 21:21:55 GMT -5
It's literally the worst PP I think I've seen since the 1989 team. Horrible.
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Post by franko on Apr 19, 2015 21:27:03 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Apr 19, 2015 21:28:03 GMT -5
It's literally the worst PP I think I've seen since the 1989 team. Horrible. The bruins PP in the 2011 playoffs was something less than 8%. Still don't know how they won the Cup with that. |
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Post by HFTO on Apr 19, 2015 21:28:22 GMT -5
Hope they don't get to fat and complacent in Tremblant .... Need to finish them off
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 21:29:52 GMT -5
It's literally the worst PP I think I've seen since the 1989 team. Horrible. The bruins PP in the 2011 playoffs was something less than 8%. Still don't know how they won the Cup with that. Various equipment errors and hockey plays gone wrong. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 19, 2015 21:29:56 GMT -5
And Diaz is now on his 4th team in 2 plus years. And when was he ever a top 4 D man?? |
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Post by blny on Apr 19, 2015 21:31:06 GMT -5
It's literally the worst PP I think I've seen since the 1989 team. Horrible. The bruins PP in the 2011 playoffs was something less than 8%. Still don't know how they won the Cup with that. Thugenomics. |
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Post by Gogie on Apr 19, 2015 21:33:10 GMT -5
Sens gooned it up early, took a fair bit of penalties. Dale Weise. How good is this guy. Some controversy on the GWG. Was it a hand pass by Prust? Was it out of play? No matter. PK was highsticked in the first period, and they scored on the same shift. 0 for 6 on the powerplay. What a game. I raised the question about what's reviewable in the GDT but thought I'd resurrect it here since it'll probably get lost now that we're on to celebrating our great victory. The goal was obviously good, but would a hand pass be reviewable? Let me answer my own question (although the answer isn't really clear). Rule 38 covers video reviews. There are a number of reviewable types of plays (was the puck "kicked" in? did it actually cross the goal line?) but no where is it stated that a hand pass resulting in a goal that is called good on the ice is reviewable. But..... there is wording that kind of suggests it could be covered: The video review process shall be permitted to assist the Referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g. to ensure they are “good hockey goals”). I think I need a lawyer to decipher this for me.  |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 19, 2015 21:36:13 GMT -5
If the puck goes off the hand and in the net , it's reviewable
If there is a glove hand pass, and another puts it in ..it's not reviewable
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Post by Douper on Apr 19, 2015 21:36:46 GMT -5
I like mt's press conference. He was calm, not showing emotion. There's some business left to do
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 19, 2015 21:37:04 GMT -5
Credit to Therrien. Moving Weise was one of his adjustments tonight....and it worked quite well, I'd say.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 19, 2015 21:37:44 GMT -5
No different than the high stick rule.
If you high stick it in the net, it's reviewable
If you high stick it down, the ref misses it, play continues and a goal is scored ... Not reviewable
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 19, 2015 21:41:50 GMT -5
Beaulieu: upper body injury.
No kidding. Karlsson may not have intended to hit him in the head....but that was the initial point of contact.
That's what I saw anyway....I wasn't PVRing it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 21:46:03 GMT -5
Beaulieu: upper body injury. No kidding. Karlsson may not have intended to hit him in the head....but that was the initial point of contact. That's what I saw anyway....I wasn't PVRing it. The replays show that, too. Karlsson may be suspended on that hit. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 19, 2015 21:46:41 GMT -5
The head was definitely the first point of contact. I will bet dollars to doughnuts that the NHL rules it was a suicide pass and that was a mitigating factor and they fine him $1439.85 (or some foolish number that is maximum under the CBA)
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Post by Gogie on Apr 19, 2015 21:48:06 GMT -5
If the puck goes off the hand and in the net , it's reviewable If there is a glove hand pass, and another puts it in ..it's not reviewable Is there a list somewhere of what is and isn't reviewable (i.e., regulations that go along with the official rules)? There's nothing specific in the rule itself about it. Not saying you're not right, Skilly, just saying I looked high and low in the NHL rule book but couldn't find anything definitive. In fact, I would argue that the way the rule is currently written, everything is reviewable with respect to determining if a goal is a "good goal". |
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Post by franko on Apr 19, 2015 21:49:17 GMT -5
The PP is a disaster. Not only should Weise be put on the first line I thought he was on the first line. I wouldn't move him at all. Max had his warm-up game. Let that line get going along with the so-called 4th line and we'll go far. And Eller hasn't had his come-to-life moment yet. no disagreement there. we have the best penalty kill in the league. too bad it's when we have our power play. looks like we'll have to. |
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Post by franko on Apr 19, 2015 21:52:17 GMT -5
Beaulieu: upper body injury. No kidding. Karlsson may not have intended to hit him in the head....but that was the initial point of contact. That's what I saw anyway....I wasn't PVRing it. The replays show that, too. Karlsson may be suspended on that hit. hockey play gone bad. and no need to call the good doctor. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 21:55:33 GMT -5
Wow Weise, Wow! What a great old school bang em up game. This new thing of taking guys out with concussions has to stop. Not sure how, maybe lose the instigator penalty? I'm sure that Nathan woulda taken care of Karlsson in the 1st period, and now he may be out for the playoffs. Poor kid.
I loved the pace of this game, who needs to watch regular season anymore.
I hope Nathan is ok, if not bring in Pateryn, he should be playing anyways.
Bonne nuit!
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Post by Skilly on Apr 19, 2015 22:13:10 GMT -5
If the puck goes off the hand and in the net , it's reviewable If there is a glove hand pass, and another puts it in ..it's not reviewable Is there a list somewhere of what is and isn't reviewable (i.e., regulations that go along with the official rules)? There's nothing specific in the rule itself about it. Not saying you're not right, Skilly, just saying I looked high and low in the NHL rule book but couldn't find anything definitive. In fact, I would argue that the way the rule is currently written, everything is reviewable with respect to determining if a goal is a "good goal". 38.4 Situations Subject to Video Review - The following situations are subject to review by the Video Goal Judge: (i) Puck crossing the goal line. (ii) Puck in the net prior to the goal frame being dislodged. (iii) Puck in the net prior to, or after expiration of time at the end of the period. (iv) Puck directed or batted into the net by a hand or foot or deliberately batted with any part of the attacking player’s body. With the use of a foot/skate, was a distinct kicking motion evident? If so, the apparent goal must be disallowed. A DISTINCT KICKING MOTION is one which the player propels the puck with his skate into the net. If the Video Goal Judge / League Office Video Room determines that it was put into the net by an attacking player using a distinct kicking motion, it must be ruled NO GOAL. This would also be true even if the puck, after being kicked, deflects off any other player of either team and then into the net. This is still NO GOAL. However, a puck that enters the goal after deflecting off an attacking player’s skate or that deflects off his skate while he is in the process of stopping, shall be ruled a good goal. See also 49.2. (v) Puck deflected directly into the net off an Official. (vi) Puck struck with a high-stick, above the height of the crossbar, by an attacking player prior to entering the goal. The determining factor is where the puck makes contact with the stick in relation to the crossbar. If the puck makes contact with the portion of the stick that is at or below the level of the crossbar and enters the goal, this goal shall be allowed. (vii) To establish the correct time on the official game clock, provided the game time is visible on the Video Goal Judge’s monitors. (viii) The video review process shall be permitted to assist the Referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g. to ensure they are “good hockey goals”). For example (but not limited to), pucks that enter the net by going through the net meshing, pucks that enter the net from underneath the net frame, pucks that hit the spectator netting prior to being directed into the goal, pucks that enter the net undetected by the Referee, etc. This would also include situations whereby the Referee stops play or is in the process of stopping the play because he has lost sight of the puck and it is subsequently determined by video review that the puck crosses (or has crossed) the goal line and enters the net as the culmination of a continuous play where the result was unaffected by the whistle (i.e., the timing of the whistle was irrelevant to the puck entering the net at the end of a continuous play). |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 19, 2015 22:17:22 GMT -5
They can only review "good goals" insomuch as determining if it crossed the line .... Not if there was an infraction prior to the goal. If the infraction , (highstick, glove, kicked) cause the puck to cross the line, then yes, it's reviewable. The War room reviews all goals to make sure they cross the line without the above occurring
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Post by 24andcounting on Apr 19, 2015 22:18:06 GMT -5
Any chance Karlsson gets suspended? Or are we dealing with the typical NHL superstar double standard?
God, it feels so good to be up 3-0 on these guys.
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Post by franko on Apr 19, 2015 22:19:59 GMT -5
Any chance Karlsson gets suspended? Or are we dealing with the typical NHL superstar double standard? he'll be suspended for the same length of time PK was. |
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Post by 24andcounting on Apr 19, 2015 22:23:02 GMT -5
Any chance Karlsson gets suspended? Or are we dealing with the typical NHL superstar double standard? he'll be suspended for the same length of time PK was. I thought I might get that reaction. But I would argue it's suspension worthy, whereas Subban's wasn't. Of course, I may not be objective but the league has to be concerned with the number of head injuries. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 22:24:15 GMT -5
I thought all head shots were automatic suspensions?
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