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Post by seventeen on Apr 22, 2015 22:41:19 GMT -5
I'm annoyed at the reffing though, it seemed like you could get away with anything, Stone took out Emelin's legs in as obvious a trip as one has ever seen late in the 3rd and the zebras ignored it. It nearly cost us another goal, and usually the refs do call it when the infraction causes a scoring chance. Not this time. There was another occasion where Ottawa was whistled for a penalty and someone on their team started throwing punches at Gallagher and I thought for sure they'd get two penalties, but nope. You just can't predict what they'll do, because if we did the same thing, we'd get called. I recall us getting away with a couple of trips, but they were at centre ice and at our blue line with no danger to anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 23:12:23 GMT -5
Dissecting the refs in this league is pointless as far as I'm concerned. And Mr Max still doesn't seem to get it, or he's still got a micro fracture of his brain tissue.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 22, 2015 23:23:03 GMT -5
Dissecting the refs in this league is pointless as far as I'm concerned. And Mr Max still doesn't seem to get it, or he's still got a micro fracture of his brain tissue. I think the odds are pretty good that he's still not over that concussion. If so, that raises a number of other questions, none of which are flattering to the Habs organization. He's not his normal Wolverine self.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 22, 2015 23:36:10 GMT -5
I was all set to give Patches the C at the end of the season. His playoff performances are concerning though... I don't think I've ever seen him step it up in the post season. I had the same thought. I again thought he was our worst forward. I was all set to call him our worst skater, but Gilbert (and his goal-costing turnover) trumps him. Price probably had his strongest game, and I think this one was really a toss-up. I'm annoyed at the reffing though, it seemed like you could get away with anything, including Neil with at least a dozen punches during scrums. I'm thinking that Pacioretty might still hurt ... if he is, then it would explain a lot ... he's not the same player he was prior to his injury, anyway ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 22, 2015 23:42:54 GMT -5
Dissecting the refs in this league is pointless as far as I'm concerned. The NFL just "moved on from" several officials who weren't up to snuff ... a cut and paste ... Asked how the NFL determined which officials won’t be back, Blandino said the officials are closely tracked, and if they’re consistently near the bottom of the league in their grades, they won’t be retained.
“Any official, in any competitive arena, could have a poor season, so one season may not necessarily cause us to terminate an official,” Blandino said. “But if it becomes a trend, multiple seasons, we have a tier-based ranking system, the third tier being the lowest performers. Once they enter Tier 3 we put them in an enhanced training regimen and put them in that program, and if we still don’t see improvement, that’s when we move on.”
Blandino said officials are assessed on decision making, the calls they make and calls they should have made but didn’t, as well as physical fitness and the ability to keep up with the fast pace of play in the NFL. It's bound to happen ... as a league expands the on-ice product becomes diluted and not just in the players me thinks ... anyway, the NFL has a plan in place to protect the integrity of their game ... at least they're trying to improve things ... Cheers.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 22, 2015 23:49:20 GMT -5
Max is lost out there. Half step behind almost every play. As far as I'm concerned, the next two power plays go to the bottom 6 guys. Top six aren't getting it done. I've got to the point that I hope he's playing hurt. Because if that's the best he can do in 3 playoff games, that ain't no leader.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 23, 2015 0:00:52 GMT -5
The usual suspects (Carey, PK, BGal, and Weise) showed up. The rest were disinterested. Looked like they didn't want to get hurt. Can't play like that.
Too bad because Ott was there for the taking. They didn't have much desperation for a team facing elimination, and Fancy Boy Karlsson had a bad game with no no offence and yet his usual number of turnovers giving us odd man rushes.
Was thinking in the second that might not be a bad thing if Ott scored early so we could open things up and try and score. Instead we were lulled into a game where we hoped we might get a flukey break at the end. Once Ott scored we had very little time and even less push back.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Apr 23, 2015 6:47:19 GMT -5
They played like they had one to waste, which they did. The pressure is on to close it out at home but this is what good teams do. I fully expect them to play well in Game 5 and find a way.
Gilbert playing on his wrong side led to the OTT goal. A left shooting D in that spot results in a much stronger clearing attempt. Gilbert didn't have a good view of the play and a weak backhand was picked off at the blueline.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 23, 2015 6:47:57 GMT -5
I can handle losing, IF we give it a playoff effort, offensively.
We didn't...
Anaheim 5 Winnipeg 2. That's how you close out a series when you have a team on the ropes.
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Post by Polarice on Apr 23, 2015 7:15:14 GMT -5
Are we allowed add staff this time of year? I know some good PP coaches became available in the last week or two!!
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Post by Douper on Apr 23, 2015 7:56:36 GMT -5
Horrible effort by our leaders. But to be honest, the team did what they set out to do....get a split. I am sure that MT will have the boys ready for game 5. And the home crowd will be rocking.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 23, 2015 8:52:44 GMT -5
What really bugs me is that the PP has been Saperlipopettee for quite a while. Would you not think MB and his brain trust would get involved. If this team loses in the first round and their PP is at an average of 6.2%, then that is not only the coaching staff's fault, but also management for not recognizing that the coaching staff has not made any changes.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 23, 2015 8:56:47 GMT -5
Are we allowed add staff this time of year? I know some good PP coaches became available in the last week or two!! They can hire a consultant anytime they want, not sure if that person can go behind the bench during a game, but they should be able to participate in practices and sit in the box with management and give advice.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 23, 2015 9:38:16 GMT -5
Horrible effort by our leaders. But to be honest, the team did what they set out to do....get a split. I am sure that MT will have the boys ready for game 5. And the home crowd will be rocking. I have some concerns but I kind of share Anon's view in that we'll wrap it up on Friday ... we'll have to see a completely different team than the one we saw in Game 4 ... can't allow the Senators to skate us into the ice the way they did last night ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 23, 2015 9:56:32 GMT -5
I'm annoyed at the reffing though, it seemed like you could get away with anything, including Neil with at least a dozen punches during scrums. I think this is where the NHL shoots themselves in the foot ... there's two different standards for officiating; one for the regular season and one for the playoffs ... I'm only assuming that it's a hard adjustment not only for the players, but for the officials as well ... once you start letting things go, then you have to let them go for both sides ... I used to officiate another sport and you'll get buy-in from the players providing you're consistent ... however, where they become confused (and outright pissed off sometimes) is when that consistency changes ... and an official can change the entire complexion of the game with one inconsistent call ... I'm not giving the NHL refs a pass, but there have been some well-officiated games where the whistle has been put away ... why? Because they were consistent (and the Habs can adapt to that style) ... however, there's no consistency between the regular season and to playoffs ... I think until they sort that out we're going to continue to see inconsistent officiating ... Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 23, 2015 10:13:28 GMT -5
I don't bother watching as many games as I used to because I'm tired of the NHL head office and tired of crappy reffing involving game management. I'm also tired of yelling at the TV
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 10:27:54 GMT -5
Dissecting the refs in this league is pointless as far as I'm concerned. The NFL just "moved on from" several officials who weren't up to snuff ... a cut and paste ... Asked how the NFL determined which officials won’t be back, Blandino said the officials are closely tracked, and if they’re consistently near the bottom of the league in their grades, they won’t be retained.
“Any official, in any competitive arena, could have a poor season, so one season may not necessarily cause us to terminate an official,” Blandino said. “But if it becomes a trend, multiple seasons, we have a tier-based ranking system, the third tier being the lowest performers. Once they enter Tier 3 we put them in an enhanced training regimen and put them in that program, and if we still don’t see improvement, that’s when we move on.”
Blandino said officials are assessed on decision making, the calls they make and calls they should have made but didn’t, as well as physical fitness and the ability to keep up with the fast pace of play in the NFL. It's bound to happen ... as a league expands the on-ice product becomes diluted and not just in the players me thinks ... anyway, the NFL has a plan in place to protect the integrity of their game ... at least they're trying to improve things ... Cheers. Unfortunately we follow the NBA model, what Gary knows best. I'd love referees to be accountable in NHL like they are in NFL. Dream on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 10:30:27 GMT -5
I'm annoyed at the reffing though, it seemed like you could get away with anything, including Neil with at least a dozen punches during scrums. I think this is where the NHL shoots themselves in the foot ... there's two different standards for officiating; one for the regular season and one for the playoffs ... I'm only assuming that it's a hard adjustment not only for the players, but for the officials as well ... once you start letting things go, then you have to let them go for both sides ... I used to officiate another sport and you'll get buy-in from the players providing you're consistent ... however, where they become confused (and outright pissed off sometimes) is when that consistency changes ... and an official can change the entire complexion of the game with one inconsistent call ... I'm not giving the NHL refs a pass, but there have been some well-officiated games where the whistle has been put away ... why? Because they were consistent (and the Habs can adapt to that style) ... however, there's no consistency between the regular season and to playoffs ... I think until they sort that out we're going to continue to see inconsistent officiating ... Cheers. Also one for the home team, one for the big market team, one for the super star, one for the rookies, one for the team trailing late in the game, one for the team trailing in series, one for the Bruins, one for the Leafs. Did I miss anyone? Oh yeah one for the divers, one for the trash talkers, one for the whiners, and one for Subban.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 23, 2015 10:32:40 GMT -5
I think this is where the NHL shoots themselves in the foot ... there's two different standards for officiating; one for the regular season and one for the playoffs ... I'm only assuming that it's a hard adjustment not only for the players, but for the officials as well ... once you start letting things go, then you have to let them go for both sides ... I used to officiate another sport and you'll get buy-in from the players providing you're consistent ... however, where they become confused (and outright pissed off sometimes) is when that consistency changes ... and an official can change the entire complexion of the game with one inconsistent call ... I'm not giving the NHL refs a pass, but there have been some well-officiated games where the whistle has been put away ... why? Because they were consistent (and the Habs can adapt to that style) ... however, there's no consistency between the regular season and to playoffs ... I think until they sort that out we're going to continue to see inconsistent officiating ... Cheers. Also one for the home team, one for the big market team, one for the super star, one for the rookies, one for the team trailing late in the game, one for the team trailing in series, one for the Bruins, one for the Leafs. Did I miss anyone? Oh yeah one for the divers, one for the trash talkers, one for the whiners, and one for Subban. And one for Gallagher because... that's a penalty but not on you.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 23, 2015 11:32:27 GMT -5
The NFL just "moved on from" several officials who weren't up to snuff ... a cut and paste ... Asked how the NFL determined which officials won’t be back, Blandino said the officials are closely tracked, and if they’re consistently near the bottom of the league in their grades, they won’t be retained.
“Any official, in any competitive arena, could have a poor season, so one season may not necessarily cause us to terminate an official,” Blandino said. “But if it becomes a trend, multiple seasons, we have a tier-based ranking system, the third tier being the lowest performers. Once they enter Tier 3 we put them in an enhanced training regimen and put them in that program, and if we still don’t see improvement, that’s when we move on.”
Blandino said officials are assessed on decision making, the calls they make and calls they should have made but didn’t, as well as physical fitness and the ability to keep up with the fast pace of play in the NFL. It's bound to happen ... as a league expands the on-ice product becomes diluted and not just in the players me thinks ... anyway, the NFL has a plan in place to protect the integrity of their game ... at least they're trying to improve things ... Cheers. Unfortunately we follow the NBA model, what Gary knows best. I'd love referees to be accountable in NHL like they are in NFL. Dream on. [thumbs up smiley]... here ...[/thumbs up smiley]
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