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Post by habsorbed on Apr 25, 2015 0:33:25 GMT -5
Watched post-game comments. The players and coach seemed dejected and lost. They don't know what to do. Well, the hope is we dig deep while the Sens become confident and complacent. We only need one out of the next two. Momentum in a playoff series is fickle and can change in a hurry. I still like our chances.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 25, 2015 0:41:24 GMT -5
I'm sure the coaches have explored every possible power play option there is. If the players, can't or won't do it, what can you do? The pp is on the players. What is it then, that coaches get paid for? I've heard it said that coaches can't win games, they can only lose them. Are coaches merely babysitters? If so, it wouldn't matter who was behind the bench, right? And if I was the owner, I certainly wouldn't pay them $2MM a year to babysit. Don't see how you can put the long standing PP problem on the players. Assume for a moment you can and it is the players, shouldn't the coach then change the players or the combinations. Could the fourth line do worse than our current PP units? Perhaps Petry should move to the first unit. Perhaps DSP should not be on the PP. So if it is the players, who tells them to have a seat and give other players a chance? THE COACH. Unfortunately he's stubborn and stuck inside his small box. The PP problem is all on the coach!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 25, 2015 3:37:47 GMT -5
More concerning to me than our 5.3% PP (thank you NYI for your 0%), is our 68.8% PK ... Second worse. We were pretty good at that in the regular season. So.... Can't score, no PP, can't stop the oppositions PP, and Carey is average ... Still think this Habs team can't lose 4 in a row?? That could end up being Carey's legacy unfortunately .... Can't win to close out. I think Carey can win the big ones, but he needs help. Someone has to score. Someone has to let him see the shot. Someone has to outwork their check.
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Post by Disp on Apr 25, 2015 7:17:25 GMT -5
What is it then, that coaches get paid for? I've heard it said that coaches can't win games, they can only lose them. Are coaches merely babysitters? If so, it wouldn't matter who was behind the bench, right? And if I was the owner, I certainly wouldn't pay them $2MM a year to babysit. Don't see how you can put the long standing PP problem on the players. Assume for a moment you can and it is the players, shouldn't the coach then change the players or the combinations. Could the fourth line do worse than our current PP units? Perhaps Petry should move to the first unit. Perhaps DSP should not be on the PP. So if it is the players, who tells them to have a seat and give other players a chance? THE COACH. Unfortunately he's stubborn and stuck inside his small box. The PP problem is all on the coach! Of course it is. You like the players more than the coach. Therefore it's his fault. Watching the players actually eff it up all the time, with your own eyes, isn't enough to see where the problem is I guess. There is more to it than that, but yeah, the coach is basically a high priced babysitter. Doesn't mean anyone can do it though. The coach doesn't score, pass, hit etc. You can draw it up on a board all you want. The players have to execute. This isn't chess. Sometimes I wonder if MB hired MT just so he could be a lightning rod for criticism. He gets 99% of the blame, any success seems to be viewed as in spite of him. He's probably the perfect coach for this market. Makes it much easier on the players.
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Post by jkr on Apr 25, 2015 8:03:01 GMT -5
Don't see how you can put the long standing PP problem on the players. Assume for a moment you can and it is the players, shouldn't the coach then change the players or the combinations. Could the fourth line do worse than our current PP units? Perhaps Petry should move to the first unit. Perhaps DSP should not be on the PP. So if it is the players, who tells them to have a seat and give other players a chance? THE COACH. Unfortunately he's stubborn and stuck inside his small box. The PP problem is all on the coach! Of course it is. You like the players more than the coach. Therefore it's his fault. Watching the players actually eff it up all the time, with your own eyes, isn't enough to see where the problem is I guess. There is more to it than that, but yeah, the coach is basically a high priced babysitter. Doesn't mean anyone can do it though. The coach doesn't score, pass, hit etc. You can draw it up on a board all you want. The players have to execute. This isn't chess. Sometimes I wonder if MB hired MT just so he could be a lightning rod for criticism. He gets 99% of the blame, any success seems to be viewed as in spite of him. He's probably the perfect coach for this market. Makes it much easier on the players. We're all frustrated because this crap PP has been going on for almost 90 games now. I see the same guys out there most of the time (Markov, Subban, Desharnais etc) so it stands to reason that the opposition knows what is going to happen. If these guys are 1 for 19 then it's time for drastic action instead of waiting for it to suddenly click. This is a collective responsibility, players & coaches to be sure. But it's up to the coaches to start making some adjustments to the PP before it's too late. It can anywhere but up. It's also up to the players in the sense that some of these guys have to grow a set and realize what's at stake. Way to many passengers in the lineup right now. Pacioretty is in a fog - is that the injury or just bad play. Plekanec, he was gifted a goal by Hammond in game one - where's he been since? Subban - two assists before the ejection, one point since. We like to rag on Karlsson but Subban has been ineffectual the last 4 games. Our best players have been outplayed by the bottom 6 and need to take a long hard look at themselves. You may win a game or two with guys like Flynn having a career game but in the long run, it's a losing situation.
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Post by jkr on Apr 25, 2015 8:07:45 GMT -5
More concerning to me than our 5.3% PP (thank you NYI for your 0%), is our 68.8% PK ... Second worse. We were pretty good at that in the regular season. So.... Can't score, no PP, can't stop the oppositions PP, and Carey is average ... Still think this Habs team can't lose 4 in a row?? That could end up being Carey's legacy unfortunately .... Can't win to close out. I think Carey can win the big ones, but he needs help. Someone has to score. Someone has to let him see the shot. Someone has to outwork their check. Price has won championships at every other level - juniors, the AHL and the Olympics. Not sure how fair that comment is. He can't do it on his own. He put his team in a great position to win in game 4 but they didn't bother to show up.
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Post by franko on Apr 25, 2015 8:11:25 GMT -5
Don't see how you can put the long standing PP problem on the players. Assume for a moment you can and it is the players, shouldn't the coach then change the players or the combinations. Could the fourth line do worse than our current PP units? Perhaps Petry should move to the first unit. Perhaps DSP should not be on the PP. So if it is the players, who tells them to have a seat and give other players a chance? THE COACH. Unfortunately he's stubborn and stuck inside his small box. The PP problem is all on the coach! Of course it is. You like the players more than the coach. Therefore it's his fault. Watching the players actually eff it up all the time, with your own eyes, isn't enough to see where the problem is I guess. There is more to it than that, but yeah, the coach is basically a high priced babysitter. Doesn't mean anyone can do it though. The coach doesn't score, pass, hit etc. You can draw it up on a board all you want. The players have to execute. This isn't chess. Sometimes I wonder if MB hired MT just so he could be a lightning rod for criticism. He gets 99% of the blame, any success seems to be viewed as in spite of him. He's probably the perfect coach for this market. Makes it much easier on the players. I don't know, Disp. of course the players aren't absolved of the blame -- they are the ones on the ice. but the coach (who I gave credit for through the season for bringing the team this far) is responsible for the players on the ice. and if the players on the ice aren't doing it, and if the system that he has for the players on the ice isn't doing it, is it not his responsibility to change things --either the players or the system? instead, it's the same players and the same rotten system, all over again, every PP. that's what's on him.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 25, 2015 9:28:11 GMT -5
I think Carey can win the big ones, but he needs help. Someone has to score. Someone has to let him see the shot. Someone has to outwork their check. Price has won championships at every other level - juniors, the AHL and the Olympics. Not sure how fair that comment is. He can't do it on his own. He put his team in a great position to win in game 4 but they didn't bother to show up. In junior and the Olympics, he had a collection of great players in front of him ... Never really had to steal a game. In the AHL, yes, he certainly stole games there and led his team to the Calder. But this is the NHL. His career will be judged on his NHL numbers, and his legacy in Montreal will be judged on his PLAYOFFS performances. Because in Montreal, it's only Cups that matter. Don't believe me? Theodore anyone? (he had the Vezina, the shell-shocked playoffs standing on his head, but still took the brunt of the blame when his team couldn't score) I'm not saying that any loss is Price's fault. But everyone expected him to steal at least one game on his own. He hasn't. He has come close. And I'll be the first to agree that Carey can't score, but he will still get the L, and the sub 0.900 save percentage. Ken Dryden was recently interviewed and was comparing himself and Price ... To paraphrase, he said he was a good goalie on a great team, Price is a great goalie on a good team, but it won't take long for Montreal to run him out of town, because there is a history in Montreal of running great goalies out of town (he cited Durnan, Roy, among some others). The interviewer said you weren't run out of town ... Dryden replied , I didn't stick around long enough to let them
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 25, 2015 9:31:58 GMT -5
After the season Price has had….I'm not about to blame him. He carried this team on his back all year. Without his stellar play, I doubt we'd have made the playoffs (seeing as it took 98 points for the Pens to get the last Wild Card spot). Do you think Price stole at least 12 points this year? How about double that….at least. How often have we come out of the gate seemingly unprepared this season? We haven't scored a first period goal in this series. Nothing changes. Look at this analysis from habseyesontheprize. Just like in many, many games during the regular season….the opponents get a lot of quality scoring chances from the danger areas….while we take a lot of perimeter, exterior shots. Price covers warts galore… He deserves better play, decisions, and systems in front of him. IMO. After we lost 5-2 to the Sens in the middle of March, Therrien was asked about his systems. Montreal Gazette “Regarding system and stuff like that,” Therrien said, loudly exhaling. “We’re not changing it. Nothing. I don’t think any team at this time of year is changing anything.”I understand a change in total philosophy isn't going to happen….and he DID say he'd make small adjustments….but what we've seen in the playoffs is what we've been seeing all season….a system that over-relies on Price. And when he can't be THE MAN….we're done. In how many games have we bailed out Price? I can't think of any off the top of my head. Our system doesn't allow it.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 25, 2015 9:52:46 GMT -5
Watched post-game comments. The players and coach seemed dejected and lost. They don't know what to do. Advantage Senators ... Cheers.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Apr 25, 2015 10:53:41 GMT -5
Powerplay...shmowerplay... our PP sucked all season and we finished with 110pts... we have to concentrate on what made us competitive not try to overthink and try to become a team we're not. Biggest issue right now is Pacioretty, Plekanec, Gallagher, DD, Galchenyuk, Markov aren't producing, it's up to them to figure it out, raise their game and convert their chances when they get it. There is no way we move forwad without the production of these guys.
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Post by jkr on Apr 25, 2015 11:08:27 GMT -5
Powerplay...shmowerplay... our PP sucked all season and we finished with 110pts... we have to concentrate on what made us competitive not try to overthink and try to become a team we're not. Biggest issue right now is Pacioretty, Plekanec, Gallagher, DD, Galchenyuk, Markov aren't producing, it's up to them to figure it out, raise their game and convert their chances when they get it. There is no way we move forwad without the production of these guys. Add Subban to that list - one point in the last 4 games. They have shown flashes in this series - the 2nd period in game one; 19 shots & 4 goals. And game 3 - outshooting them 40-22 after a rough 1st period. They can do it but the will seems to be lacking.
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Post by jkr on Apr 25, 2015 11:48:29 GMT -5
Price has won championships at every other level - juniors, the AHL and the Olympics. Not sure how fair that comment is. He can't do it on his own. He put his team in a great position to win in game 4 but they didn't bother to show up. In junior and the Olympics, he had a collection of great players in front of him ... Never really had to steal a game. In the AHL, yes, he certainly stole games there and led his team to the Calder. But this is the NHL. His career will be judged on his NHL numbers, and his legacy in Montreal will be judged on his PLAYOFFS performances. Because in Montreal, it's only Cups that matter. Don't believe me? Theodore anyone? (he had the Vezina, the shell-shocked playoffs standing on his head, but still took the brunt of the blame when his team couldn't score) I'm not saying that any loss is Price's fault. But everyone expected him to steal at least one game on his own. He hasn't. He has come close. And I'll be the first to agree that Carey can't score, but he will still get the L, and the sub 0.900 save percentage. Ken Dryden was recently interviewed and was comparing himself and Price ... To paraphrase, he said he was a good goalie on a great team, Price is a great goalie on a good team, but it won't take long for Montreal to run him out of town, because there is a history in Montreal of running great goalies out of town (he cited Durnan, Roy, among some others). The interviewer said you weren't run out of town ... Dryden replied , I didn't stick around long enough to let them That last bit about Dryden was during Peter Mansbridge's interview of Price.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 25, 2015 12:12:13 GMT -5
Powerplay...shmowerplay... our PP sucked all season and we finished with 110pts... we have to concentrate on what made us competitive not try to overthink and try to become a team we're not. Biggest issue right now is Pacioretty, Plekanec, Gallagher, DD, Galchenyuk, Markov aren't producing, it's up to them to figure it out, raise their game and convert their chances when they get it. There is no way we move forwad without the production of these guys. To equate, if the playoff team is the same as our regular season team, Carey wouldn't have had 12 goals scored against him. He'd have had about 8 and we'd be moving on to the second round. The team is the team, the coaches are the coaches. Carey isn't Carey. Our 110 points was perhaps the greatest smoke and mirrors in NHL history. The advanced stats crew weren't fooled (much as we dislike them, they're probably right 95 times out of 100 [that's a joke]) given a sufficient number of games. Habs = Carey. After we took a 3-0 lead,, I heard the phrase, "I can't see Price losing 4 games in a row", even from Elliott Friedemann. Doesn't that phrase say it all? I can't see PRICE losing 4 games in a row. The rest of the team is irrelevant. Now, I myself don't believe that. But if it's that simple, the blame for not getting the job done yet is either Bergevin's for not getting the right pieces of the puzzle, or Therrien's for not using those pieces as best they could be used. I think Skilly has proposed on many occasions that Bergevin hasn't gotten us what we needed. I agree, but I also think that's a really tough task, to get a top 6 winger for not much. He managed it with Vanek, but this year there just weren't the players around. I agree with Bergevin's plan that you can't sacrifice what is going to keep you competitive for a long time, for a one year shot at a maybe championship. The odds of it working out aren't good. My criticism falls on the second option and has for some time. What's happening is the culmination of actions and non actions going back as far as when Therrien was hired. More recently, he's moved Desharnais down from the top line. That should have happened many months ago and Galchenyuk should have been groomed for the #1 centre spot. I like DSP. He's a coachable kid who looks like he's giving it everything he has. Not a top 6 forward, but MT has used him almost exclusively in that role. I'm not sure why MT makes the choices he does. To many of us, what seems obvious is what he avoids. If he has some special knowledge that trumps what we think, I sure wish he'd pull it out now and save the series. Maybe he will do that. I'm not confident (at a 95% level, 19 times out of 20) that will happen. So, the issues we're complaining about now are not new, they've just never been addressed. These will still have to be dealt with for next year, but for now, MT has to shake up the emotional trend of the team. I do not want to see the team come out strong for 7 or 8 minutes and then wither. I prefer a steady pace that grows as the game goes along. He should make some changes, though. Since I think it's poor form to criticize without providing a solution, here's my line-up for tomorrow: line #1 - Galchenyuk - Eller - Gallagher Line #2 - Pacioretty - PLeks - P.A. Parenteau LIne #3 - DeLarose - Desharnais - Thomas LIne #4 - Prust - Mitchell - Weise Back end PK - Markov Petry - Gonchar Gilbert - Emelin My reasons, since I actually provide them, are: We need scoring. We need guys who have a nose for the net and can snipe. When Ottawa tried to hit us into submission, they lost. When we tried to hit them into submission, we lost. Lose the heavy hitting, stay with getting in their way and amp up the speed. DSP is replaced by a sniper, Parenteau. Flynn is replaced by Thomas. Desharnais drops to the 3rd line, where he'll face less difficult competition. I added Gonchar on the back end because of the righty lefty issues. I don't think Gilbert is playing well on the left side and Gonchar's our only replacement who can play on the left comfortably. We lose some speed and perhaps Emelin and Gonchar can switch partners as Petry has a lot of speed and can carry the puck out well. Emelin is a turnover machine, though, so that concerned me. But....that line-up is how I'd attack Ottawa on Sunday. Get more speed up front and forecheck hard. We can't let Gryba and the other alphabet soup defencemen on that team beat us.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 25, 2015 12:13:06 GMT -5
Powerplay...shmowerplay... our PP sucked all season and we finished with 110pts... we have to concentrate on what made us competitive not try to overthink and try to become a team we're not. Biggest issue right now is Pacioretty, Plekanec, Gallagher, DD, Galchenyuk, Markov aren't producing, it's up to them to figure it out, raise their game and convert their chances when they get it. There is no way we move forwad without the production of these guys. Add Subban to that list - one point in the last 4 games. They have shown flashes in this series - the 2nd period in game one; 19 shots & 4 goals. And game 3 - outshooting them 40-22 after a rough 1st period. They can do it but the will seems to be lacking. Ottawa replace the sieve with a goalie. I was very disappointed with that move, but it's worked for them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 13:17:31 GMT -5
Add Subban to that list - one point in the last 4 games. They have shown flashes in this series - the 2nd period in game one; 19 shots & 4 goals. And game 3 - outshooting them 40-22 after a rough 1st period. They can do it but the will seems to be lacking. Ottawa replace the sieve with a goalie. I was very disappointed with that move, but it's worked for them. Like the Rangers, the Senators protect the front of their net very well--something we've done poorly for years. Too much of our offense relies on the rush, and even that hasn't worked when opportunities arose. Bottom line, we need goals. PK seems to be the only one who realizes that there needs to be more traffic in front of the net for second and third opportunities. If they're going to feel sorry for themselves and fizzle out then there's a problem that stems much deeper than coaching.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Apr 25, 2015 13:30:34 GMT -5
I'm back to Therrien. Again. Good coaches are flexible in their thinking and I think MT has been taken in by the likes of Mitchell and Flynn on the basis of one game.
Again Lars Eller is our most productive forward in terms of driving possession and again Therrien can't see clear to give the guy more than 13 minutes of ice.
The ice time distribution is WAY too tiled to the bottom. Mitchell with 13 minutes, DSP with over 12, Prust, Weise with over 11, and Flynn with over 10. That's fine for a regular season game in February but not in an important playoff game.
I'm with Doc. Forget the PP and get our best players going. But that means we need to play them more. Eller and Galchenyuk should be almost double shifting. Get Parenteau in there over Flynn. We've scored 1 goal in 2 games. Enough! Use your head Therrien and ride your best players.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 13:34:11 GMT -5
Not sure about yanking Flynn, isn't he our leading scorer?
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Post by seventeen on Apr 25, 2015 14:38:36 GMT -5
Flynn hasn't been bad, and the fact he's our leading scorer is worth several more chapters all by themselves. He doesn't have the speed, IMO, that I'd want in the next game. Thomas is faster and has a better scoring touch, again IMO.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 25, 2015 15:19:42 GMT -5
How many truly-contending, 99% healthy first place teams have to even consider bringing in an AHL player like Thomas to boost scoring against the 7th seed in Round 1?
Something's definitely wrong with Max....he's just not the same player.
If he's 100% clear of concussion symptoms...then either he's slacking off...or the Sens are doing a masterful job of neutralizing him (and/or the ones who are supposed to feed him.)
That's why Therrien has to put bigger players with him. DD isn't going to get it done...and Pleks is wearing his skirt again.
I'd go with Eller right now as #1 centre. He's always going hard to the net and causing trouble in this series.
Gee, you'd almost think he's extra-motivated to settle something with Ottawa....hmmm....
It's not THAT we lose....it's HOW we lose that makes me angry.
The Sens have been playing "playoff-style" hockey for a few weeks now. They don't have to throw a switch.
We do!
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 25, 2015 16:19:23 GMT -5
Id like to see the following line up
Max eller weise Galchy pleks gally dd dlr dsp prust flynn mitchell
1st line has size and speed 2nd line has gally and he makes galchy better imo
DD on the wing can score us some much needed goals and dsp can create space imo
The fourth line can go after the sens d and force turnovers
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Post by jkr on Apr 25, 2015 17:09:29 GMT -5
Price has won championships at every other level - juniors, the AHL and the Olympics. Not sure how fair that comment is. He can't do it on his own. He put his team in a great position to win in game 4 but they didn't bother to show up. In junior and the Olympics, he had a collection of great players in front of him ... Never really had to steal a game. In the AHL, yes, he certainly stole games there and led his team to the Calder. But this is the NHL. His career will be judged on his NHL numbers, and his legacy in Montreal will be judged on his PLAYOFFS performances. Because in Montreal, it's only Cups that matter. Don't believe me? Theodore anyone? (he had the Vezina, the shell-shocked playoffs standing on his head, but still took the brunt of the blame when his team couldn't score) I'm not saying that any loss is Price's fault. But everyone expected him to steal at least one game on his own. He hasn't. He has come close. And I'll be the first to agree that Carey can't score, but he will still get the L, and the sub 0.900 save percentage. Ken Dryden was recently interviewed and was comparing himself and Price ... To paraphrase, he said he was a good goalie on a great team, Price is a great goalie on a good team, but it won't take long for Montreal to run him out of town, because there is a history in Montreal of running great goalies out of town (he cited Durnan, Roy, among some others). The interviewer said you weren't run out of town ... Dryden replied , I didn't stick around long enough to let them In the Olympics sure but in the World Juniors he had to come up big in a shoot out in the semis to get the team into the final game. As far as Dryden's comments go I'm not entirely in agreement. I don't know a lot about Durnan but the story I heard was that he couldn't deal with pressure any longer & retired at 34 after spending his entire 7 year career in MTL. The Roy trade , IMO, was a panic move by a horrible management team. If anybody left prematurely in was Jacques Plante.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 25, 2015 17:24:48 GMT -5
Powerplay...shmowerplay... our PP sucked all season and we finished with 110pts... we have to concentrate on what made us competitive not try to overthink and try to become a team we're not. Biggest issue right now is Pacioretty, Plekanec, Gallagher, DD, Galchenyuk, Markov aren't producing, it's up to them to figure it out, raise their game and convert their chances when they get it. There is no way we move forwad without the production of these guys. My thinking is....How many MORE points would we have had IF we'd had a solid PP? 110 points....put at least 20 of them on Price's back...and that's being generous on the low end. The coaches seem to be washing their hands of the PP woes, though. What a shame. Special teams are one of the few areas in which the coaches can have an influence. Game 2. 1/6. We had a PP in the last 2:00....empty. Needed OT to win. Game 3. 0/6. A late PP and one in OT. Both empty. Weise scored....but man that's a fine line. What happens? Off to Tremblant. Game 4. 0/3. 1-0 loss. What happens? Optional practice. Game 5. We had a PP in the first minute....empty. Ottawa grabs a 2-0 lead. Down 2-0, we had a 0:53 second PP in the second period. Empty. Karlsson scores on their next PP. Down 3-0. Down 3-1, we got another PP when Karlsson went off for cross-checking.....empty. 1/19 in the series. The Sens are 5/16. That's the story of the series, IMO. Not goaltending. Special teams. Our PP is garbage...our PK has fallen apart, too....and the Sens are energized because of it. Quite the domino effect. Of the 16 playoff teams....the Habs rank 15th in both PK and PP. The Sens rank 2nd in both categories. I sure hope I feel better on Sunday around 9:00.
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Post by Disp on Apr 26, 2015 7:11:09 GMT -5
Of course it is. You like the players more than the coach. Therefore it's his fault. Watching the players actually eff it up all the time, with your own eyes, isn't enough to see where the problem is I guess. There is more to it than that, but yeah, the coach is basically a high priced babysitter. Doesn't mean anyone can do it though. The coach doesn't score, pass, hit etc. You can draw it up on a board all you want. The players have to execute. This isn't chess. Sometimes I wonder if MB hired MT just so he could be a lightning rod for criticism. He gets 99% of the blame, any success seems to be viewed as in spite of him. He's probably the perfect coach for this market. Makes it much easier on the players. I don't know, Disp. of course the players aren't absolved of the blame -- they are the ones on the ice. but the coach (who I gave credit for through the season for bringing the team this far) is responsible for the players on the ice. and if the players on the ice aren't doing it, and if the system that he has for the players on the ice isn't doing it, is it not his responsibility to change things --either the players or the system? instead, it's the same players and the same rotten system, all over again, every PP. that's what's on him. The other options are our bottom six though. It's not like there is magical players just waiting in the wings for their chance. These guys probably haven't been on a pp since junior or the Ahl. I'm sure they've used them in practice vs our real pk, but maybe they've found them to be rather hopeless. Like even more hopeless than our regular guys. I get the whole, throw it at the wall and see if it sticks mentality, but what if it's hopelessly bad? Do you stick with it all game? If Mt gives up after one pp he didn't give them a chance, two chances, probably the same view, three, and he's wasted our pp chances on third and fourth liners. You can mix it up a bit, but then you screw up the lines after the pp. throw Eller out there and your third line is screwed up at the end of the pp. it doesn't always work out that you can mix it up either. If the DD is out with Galch and Gallagher, for example, when they draw a call at the end of a shift, you can't just throw one of them out there to start the pp with 2/3rds of the other line. They're probably tired. It's easy for us to sit back and move guys around like pieces on a chess board, but in this game the pawns get tired. You have to worry about the shift before, the shift after, etc. On another note. I think we'd all like to see Eller get more ice time with better players. The thing is though, he's the driving force on his line with lesser players. We may gain a bit on the top and lose a bit on the bottom. I don't think DD centering the guys Eller usually plays with is going to be nearly as effective as with Eller. Eller may not touch the puck enough to be as useful as he is on the third either. I think MT likes it a little more balanced. Of course the "throw it at the wall and see if it it sticks" mentality might have been the way to go if we lose this series. Your best players have to show up though. MT is giving them the opportunity to do so.
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Post by franko on Apr 26, 2015 7:23:55 GMT -5
The other options are our bottom six though. It's not like there is magical players just waiting in the wings for their chance. These guys probably haven't been on a pp since junior or the Ahl. I'm sure they've used them in practice vs our real pk, but maybe they've found them to be rather hopeless. Like even more hopeless than our regular guys. I get the whole, throw it at the wall and see if it sticks mentality, but what if it's hopelessly bad? Do you stick with it all game? If Mt gives up after one pp he didn't give them a chance, two chances, probably the same view, three, and he's wasted our pp chances on third and fourth liners. I get you. I think this should have been done in game 3 the regular freakin' season when the PP wasn't working. might be a bit late now as you say. they'da needed 3 shots at it, I think, but MT would have only given them one shift before deciding it didn't work; then he'da gone back to the regular PP that didn't work. yes they do and yes he is. is this team really that bad?
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Post by Disp on Apr 26, 2015 7:59:38 GMT -5
I don't think this team is bad. The last 2 games, we just can't score. Playing the exact same way, with more pucks finding their way in, we're all pretty happy right now.
I'm hoping Ottawa has used up their luck. They had 3 seeing eye type shots go by Price last game. We had more, of the same type of shots, hit him, just go by, hit a dman, when Anderson had no clue where the puck was. Just need to put the puck in when we get our chances. Ottawa did last game, so despite being outplayed for most of the game, they end up with a score that looks like they smoked us.
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 26, 2015 8:53:01 GMT -5
We need to score the first goal. Haven't done it yet.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 26, 2015 11:24:08 GMT -5
We need to score the first goal. Haven't done it yet. I prefer if we score the GWG
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