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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 27, 2015 7:04:21 GMT -5
Eat it, HNIC/CBC/SN/Rogers....whatever. Now it'll be all Detroit or Tampa. You can bet on that. Anticipating the win tonight, I was actually thinking about this commercial and how I'd like to send it to Rogers SN and all Sens' fans as soon as the game was over. Disp, that is an awesome commercial.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 27, 2015 7:23:31 GMT -5
Great team work and thanks for the excitement; albeit at times a little nerve wracking! On to round 2 which, according to one of the broadcast crew, is the first time since 1993 that the Hsbs have one the opening round in consecutive years. Nice. off topic (only kind of ) ... though somewhat wishful ... with the Blues losing to Minny; if Ken Hitchcock is let go and his staff is ushered out with him; that would make Kirk Muller available. Kirk would be a great hire for the upcoming season (and beyond) and, from something I heard, although he cannot be hired as an assistant coach and be behind the bench for the balance of the playoffs; he can be hired as a consultant and work with the coaches and team at practices and be in the booth with coaches / MB during games. Getting let go might initially be crappy for Kirk; if it happens soon I would hope Marc B. is on the phone to him pronto ... let's get him working on / fixing this power play. also ... Bravo to the Boys on handing the Senators their first shutout of the season. Chapeau!! Go Habs Go!! I concur and Muller, would love to have him as a consultant for the playoffs.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 27, 2015 7:39:24 GMT -5
Eller's been a monster. Seems we could sign Petry if Markov would retire. He's looking old, as is his thought process. Been saying since Feb that MT should be resting him. Weaver and Gonchar add up to 5.5 and if we can move Gilbert that would free up 2.8 more. Pateryn is a keeper, there is no need for him to go back to the dogs. Emelin had a $4.1 million cap hit ... if they can find a taker for him ... can't remember where I read it, but I read somewhere that Petry may be signing with Detroit next year ... might only be someone connecting the dots (Petry is from Michigan), I really don't know though ... Cheers.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Apr 27, 2015 8:40:34 GMT -5
Whew!
Lots to work on for the next series. Pacioretty needs to heat up, Markov had a rough series, Galchenyuk needs to produce, and Eller needs to turn his dominant play into production. Lots of great chances to put that game away last night but Pleks couldn't finish that great feed from Patches and Prust has no scoring touch at all.
I assume Petry will be gone, just like Vanek. The Michigan connection is that Petry is the son of former Detroit Tigers pitcher Dan Petry.
Go Wings!
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Post by blny on Apr 27, 2015 8:43:57 GMT -5
Do the Wings have the room to add Phaneuf AND Petry? Word was they were going to revisit the Phaneuf trade after the season.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 27, 2015 8:57:41 GMT -5
Weaver and Gonchar add up to 5.5 and if we can move Gilbert that would free up 2.8 more. Pateryn is a keeper, there is no need for him to go back to the dogs. Emelin had a $4.1 million cap hit ... if they can find a taker for him ... can't remember where I read it, but I read somewhere that Petry may be signing with Detroit next year ... might only be someone connecting the dots (Petry is from Michigan), I really don't know though ... Cheers. I believe Emelin has a limited NTC. I would love to keep Petry... will be shocked if MB can sign him.
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Post by jerry_dog on Apr 27, 2015 9:19:49 GMT -5
We'll see what happens in St Louis. IMO, their issues revolve around a core group that consistently under achieves in the playoffs. Steen, Backes, Berglund, and Oshie all have putrid numbers. What's more, when they get frustrated they often take terrible penalties. I'd love to have Muller back. Love too. However, I think it would ruffle some feathers internally if he were brought in in any capacity. oh I know it woutl ruffle 'some (MT)' feathers ... that is why 'IF' it were to go down that path; it would need to be initiated by MB. Egos aside ... we need a functional power play.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 9:22:52 GMT -5
Sens fans complaining that Gallagher's goal was a high stick. Are you kidding me? Not even close.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 27, 2015 9:40:27 GMT -5
Sens fans complaining that Gallagher's goal was a high stick. Are you kidding me? Not even close. The Whine Nation in action. Next.
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Post by HabSolute on Apr 27, 2015 10:09:25 GMT -5
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Post by Polarice on Apr 27, 2015 10:27:47 GMT -5
I heard that Petry is loving his time here in Montreal. I guess he is fitting right in with the guys. If true and the Habs make a deep playoff run, that may be enough to keep him.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 27, 2015 10:36:23 GMT -5
I heard that Petry is loving his time here in Montreal. I guess he is fitting right in with the guys. If true and the Habs make a deep playoff run, that may be enough to keep him. Petry has the upside to be the solid #2 on this team…if he isn't already. They're talking on TSN690 about Markov either being slightly injured…or showing signs of having lost a step (age and injuries catching up to him.) How could it NOT be the latter? He's a remarkable athlete, considering what he's gone through with his knees. He's really going to enjoy this rest.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 27, 2015 10:53:18 GMT -5
I heard that Petry is loving his time here in Montreal. I guess he is fitting right in with the guys. If true and the Habs make a deep playoff run, that may be enough to keep him. Petry has the upside to be the solid #2 on this team…if he isn't already. They're talking on TSN690 about Markov either being slightly injured…or showing signs of having lost a step (age and injuries catching up to him.) How could it NOT be the latter? He's a remarkable athlete, considering what he's gone through with his knees. He's really going to enjoy this rest. What else are they saying on TSN960, CH ... anyone listening to TSN1200 in Ottawa ... would be interesting to hear their comments ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 27, 2015 11:07:31 GMT -5
Marinaro spoke with the TSN1200 guys in Ottawa….very well-mannered and both hosts were complimentary of each other's teams. Marinaro pointed out the limited playoff experience on Ottawa….as compared to Montreal's players….and the Sens' hosts pointed out how young the Sens are…avg. age is just over 25, I think he said.
Anyway…it's only natural to look for "legit" excuses. The sentiment in Ottawa, at least on that radio show, is that it was an unexpected, fantastic run….and they're looking forward to next year.
Marinaro making a good point about getting off Pacioretty's back. Paraphrased: He's back from a concussion….and the Sens were focussing on him. How's Stamkos doing in his series? And he hasn't just come back from a concussion. Other than 1 game, how did Sidney Crosby do against the Rangers? And he's the best forward in the world!
Hopefully, with this extra day or two to rest up, Max will find more of his game.
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Post by franko on Apr 27, 2015 11:14:39 GMT -5
What else are they saying on TSN960, CH ... anyone listening to TSN1200 in Ottawa ... would be interesting to hear their comments ... Cheers. love Gally, but other than that the series was robbed by the ref.
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Post by blny on Apr 27, 2015 11:15:04 GMT -5
There was talk, and video, on HF about Gilbert high sticking the puck down to the ice on the Gallagher goal. He bats it, puck goes to Pacioretty who moves it up ice and starts the play that results in the goal. The camera angle makes it difficult to determine, and from what I saw it looks to touch Chiasson's left skate before Max got it. That would negate a whistle. The linesman was right there, and waved off the high stick.
I think Petry's been a very good addition, but if it comes down to going with the defense we had AND adding a winger up front that scores OR signing Petry I lean to the direction of the scorer. If we were to qualify Galchenyuk and Flynn, and sign Petry to a deal for $4.5 million a year (he may well get more, it's just a number at this point), we'd have almoset $65.674 million in committed salaries next season. That doesn't include any potential bonuses, or a 4th line center. Figure $1 million for that player. Suddenly you're looking at cap space that doesn't permit the addition of that goal scorer until the deadline - if at all.
Or defense wasn't perfect before Petry, and it isn't now. He makes the group better, but not enough to offset the teams biggest issue. Unless they can find a taker for Gilbert (plus?) there just doesn't seem to be a way to do both.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 27, 2015 11:34:08 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Apr 27, 2015 11:42:05 GMT -5
I don't think you're going to get a top 6 winger without trading for one, which means some salary going the other way. If it's Yakupov for example, his cap hit isn't at the high end. I think we should sign Petry if we can. I think it will cost us 5.5 to 6MM, but he's playing at that level...a top end #2 and he won't be 28 until December. As we've seen, Markov is slowing and shouldn't be played 20+ minutes a game. Nope, I think it's really important to sign Petry.
The top 6 forward may come in the form of McCarron or Scherbak. They are young, but McCarron is very well schooled defensively, thanks to the Hunter boys, and has the hands and vision to play top 6. I would not have said that a year ago, but the young man has taken many steps up the development ladder.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 27, 2015 11:42:27 GMT -5
What else are they saying on TSN960, CH ... anyone listening to TSN1200 in Ottawa ... would be interesting to hear their comments ... Cheers. love Gally, but other than that the series was robbed by the ref. I have Sens fans elsewhere complaining that Montreal hacked and whacked their way to the second round and, as a result of that, they`ve lost respect for Montreal`s `goon hockey` ... all I`ll say to that is, it`s been quite some time that we`ve had a team in Montreal that can play a playoff game where the referees whistles are put away ... we`ve been hacked, whacked and bullied out of most playoff series because we simply weren`t tough enough ... this edition of the team seems to be a lot more prepared for that ... Cheers.
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Post by franko on Apr 27, 2015 11:53:04 GMT -5
love Gally, but other than that the series was robbed by the ref. I have Sens fans elsewhere complaining that Montreal hacked and whacked their way to the second round and, as a result of that, they`ve lost respect for Montreal`s `goon hockey` ... all I`ll say to that is, it`s been quite some time that we`ve had a team in Montreal that can play a playoff game where the referees whistles are put away ... we`ve been hacked, whacked and bullied out of most playoff series because we simply weren`t tough enough ... this edition of the team seems to be a lot more prepared for that ... Cheers. conspiracy theories from the fans. the NHL wants the Habs in the playoffs, Chris Lee loves the Habs (gag me -- Todd White let the caller know what Habs fans think of Chris Lee), Habs are a bunch of goons and got away with just about everything -- spearing, butt ending, intentionally injuring players, running the goalie . . . you know, run of the mill whining, just like I'd be doing
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Post by UberCranky on Apr 27, 2015 11:53:09 GMT -5
I'm thrilled we won...but also very concerned.
Our power play had not been fixed despite having two star quarterbacks and a year to fix it. Our scoring sucks. We made Anderson into a superstar. I want a cup and this is problem is not getting us one.
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 27, 2015 12:03:55 GMT -5
I don't think you're going to get a top 6 winger without trading for one, which means some salary going the other way. If it's Yakupov for example, his cap hit isn't at the high end. I think we should sign Petry if we can. I think it will cost us 5.5 to 6MM, but he's playing at that level...a top end #2 and he won't be 28 until December. As we've seen, Markov is slowing and shouldn't be played 20+ minutes a game. Nope, I think it's really important to sign Petry. The top 6 forward may come in the form of McCarron or Scherbak. They are young, but McCarron is very well schooled defensively, thanks to the Hunter boys, and has the hands and vision to play top 6. I would not have said that a year ago, but the young man has taken many steps up the development ladder. I don't know of any top 6 forwards that are currently available, aside from perhaps Kessel. Which isn't to say there aren't any, just not any obvious ones like there usually are every offseason. Certainly none available in free agency. So having said that, and because I happen to really like our blueline at the moment, I would be in favor of signing Petry to that $5.5 million deal and hoping that a much better solution for the top six presents itself in the not-to-distant future. Whether it's Galchenyuk breaking out, Eller breaking out, Smith-Pelly breaking out, or some kid coming in and vying for rookie of the year (Scherbak, McCarron, Hudon?), I would wait for an internal solution. Not the most popular opinion I understand, but if we lose Petry, and then trade Beaulieu/Tinordi/Pateryn and say Parenteau for a top 6 winger... well, that leaves us very thin on defense, don't you think? Highlighted players are free agents this summer, and the number beside them is what I give them. Galchenyuk is based on Yakupov's new deal, Mitchell takes a pay cut, and Petry gets the big deal. Bournival goes to the minors (or is traded) and we only carry one extra forward, as opposed to two. Pacioretty, Max (4.5) - Plekanec, Tomas (5) - Smith-Pelly, Devante (0.8) Eller, Lars (3.5) - Galchenyuk, Alex (3.0) - Gallagher, Brendan (3.75) De La Rose, Jacob (0.925) - Desharnais, David (3.5) - Parenteau, Pierre-Alexandre (4) Weise, Dale (1.025) - Mitchell, Torrey (1. 5) - Prust, Brandon (2.5) Flynn, Brian (0.85)Beaulieu, Nathan (1.275) - Subban, P.K. (9) Markov, Andrei (5.75) - Petry, Jeff (5.5)Emelin, Alexei (4.1) - Gilbert, Tom (2.8) Pateryn, Greg (0.7) Price, Carey (6.5) Tokarski, Dustin (0.562) Total cap hit: $70.912 Bettman recently said that he expects the cap to be around $71.5 million, so that leaves us REALLY tight up against it, if not over. And we're only carrying one extra forward. Pittsburgh ended up playing with only 5 defensemen down the stretch because of cap constraints, and I think it's happened to a couple of other teams over the years too. You gotta be careful with that. Trading a guy like Parenteau could fix that, but I'm not sure I like the idea of a Thomas - Desharnais - De La Rose third line (or whoever you want to put there). And as big a fan of Scherbak as I am I don't think planning your lineup with the assumption that he is going to make the jump from junior is all that smart (or with McCarron if that's your bent). Getting Petry to come in at $5 million would really help that, but how realistic is that? It's doable, and I want to see it, but I recognize that it's fraught with peril and still leaves too much reliance on Price. But then again, if you can't rely on your Hart/Vezina winner, then what's the point?
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Post by Boston_Habs on Apr 27, 2015 12:14:12 GMT -5
That analysis BC shows the downside of the Parenteau deal. That extra year at $4m is a real problem for next year if you wanted to fit in a new deal for Petry. Now I think it's doubtful that we will be able to sign Petry, but this is what I hated about the PAP deal. Barring a trade, it greatly reduces our cap flexibility for next year. I would rather have Briere and his expiring $4m contract than another year of PAP.
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Post by HabSolute on Apr 27, 2015 12:32:44 GMT -5
Anyone else almost passed out when Markov ran into Carey Price and shoved him in the back of the net
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Post by seventeen on Apr 27, 2015 13:13:11 GMT -5
I don't know of any top 6 forwards that are currently available, aside from perhaps Kessel. I elieve there was a quote out of the Edmonton front office, that getting the #1 pick will allow the Oilers to move one of their other forwards. I would think they're the most likely candidates, but then you have to wonder who they'll want? If we could possibly package Emelin into the deal it helps resolve our cap problems. Pateryn is certainly available to move into the regular line-up and Beaulieu already has. Tinordi, with a newly repaired wrist (no jokes please), may also be ready. That's a lot of youth in inject and if we can't re-sign Petry, it gives us some comfort, but he's a really good talent and I'd love to keep him and expand his role. Bettman recently said that he expects the cap to be around $71.5 million, How recently? In the last couple of weeks, the Cdn dollar has gained about 4 cents, so that may help with the cap.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 27, 2015 13:20:01 GMT -5
I have Sens fans elsewhere complaining that Montreal hacked and whacked their way to the second round and, as a result of that, they`ve lost respect for Montreal`s `goon hockey` ... all I`ll say to that is, it`s been quite some time that we`ve had a team in Montreal that can play a playoff game where the referees whistles are put away ... we`ve been hacked, whacked and bullied out of most playoff series because we simply weren`t tough enough ... this edition of the team seems to be a lot more prepared for that ... Cheers. conspiracy theories from the fans. the NHL wants the Habs in the playoffs, Chris Lee loves the Habs (gag me -- Todd White let the caller know what Habs fans think of Chris Lee), Habs are a bunch of goons and got away with just about everything -- spearing, butt ending, intentionally injuring players, running the goalie . . . you know, run of the mill whining, just like I'd be doing Said something similar to Liam Maguire the other day ... the 2015 Sens fans I was reading sounded a lot like the 2013 Habs fans ... would be interesting to find out but I suspect if we were to visit a few other blogs we'd probably be reading the same things ... Cheers.
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 27, 2015 13:28:59 GMT -5
How recently? In the last couple of weeks, the Cdn dollar has gained about 4 cents, so that may help with the cap. Yesterday, according to Chris Johnson:
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Post by HFTO on Apr 27, 2015 16:34:26 GMT -5
Would Petry sign for 5 million basically Gonchars salary???.....the dollar situation and taxes in Quebec May make that tough?
Love to see him return certainly fits in with the age of our core group.
HFTO
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Post by blny on Apr 27, 2015 17:21:30 GMT -5
Sharp is the one who will be available, and the Hawks can't take salary back. With a $68.1 million cap ceiling looming, sellers will be handcuffed even further. They're not in a position to take money back. They'd be looking almost exclusively at picks/prospects.
If Berg decided he wanted to upgrade at center, there's a chance he could move out DD or Eller to facilitate, but you're talking about a huge salary coming back.
Either way, addressing top six scoring needs with another legit 30g man AND keeping Petry will be extremely difficult.
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Post by blny on Apr 27, 2015 17:22:22 GMT -5
How recently? In the last couple of weeks, the Cdn dollar has gained about 4 cents, so that may help with the cap. Yesterday, according to Chris Johnson: Even that number makes keeping Petry and finding that winger difficult.
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