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Post by franko on May 10, 2015 13:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by HABSINFL on May 10, 2015 13:34:42 GMT -5
The #4 on the ice behind the net, and on the Hab's jerseys... that is there to represent this 4 game winning streak. Jean Béliveau predicted it.
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Post by seventeen on May 10, 2015 14:21:51 GMT -5
Last night in the third period, Therrien got out coached. I can fix that for you. "Late in the third period, the boys didn't want to take any chances, and overcompensated by going up the boards when it wasn't always available." This isn't chess. Going up the middle can end with a "bang" in your net. Around the boards, even if it doesn't get out, the guys "reset" defensively. Much safer play, the guys know this. So when they feel the heat a bit, it's the play of choice. I realize it's frustrating to watch, when you know there is another option. Markov had a real bad one in the third. Puck moves from Carey's right to left behind the net. Markov picks it up, facing the end boards and just off the crease. Lots of time, but he just instantly rang it around and not very hard. No chance to get out or have a winger there to get it. The puck had just moved from right to left of Carey, there was no way our winger was going to be there. Should have delayed a bit, he had time. Thing is, that's not coaching, Markov knows this. He'll watch the tape and smack himself. Except it isn't the safe play. It seems like it is, but you're losing possession and back they come. We've seen this throughout the year when we get hemmed in. We stay hemmed in. It's one wave after another. The centre appears dangerous. You lose the puck there and it can be in the back of the net right now. Thing is, other teams give you that space since they can't take it all away. So it's actually safer than the guaranteed giveaway up the boards. Just watch the teams that are good at it. They save themselves a ton of time in their own end. And they generate mor offense because they have the puck more. Frankly, I don't care what specific system is used as long as it doesn't give up possession easily. Make the other team work to get back the puck. The main reason all coaches don't do that ? Fear. It's safer to fail along with most of your other colleagues, than to succeed by being different. To change topics, I read recently that the difference between good PP's and bad ones, is the ability to complete cross-ice passes. I think that's right. Watching parts of our PP's which have been better lately, and I see exactly that. Those cross-ice passes disrupt defensive positioning better than going around the perimeter so it makes sense. Good to see that happening.
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Post by Mad Max on May 10, 2015 14:26:32 GMT -5
Series should be over. The boys should be chilling waiting for the rags or caps. We're better. Go to Tampa and prove it again. Agreed. We outplayed them 4 of the 5 games. If only half of our goal posts would have gone in, the series would be over by now. Bishop is overrated. He can't find the puck more often than a #1 goalie should. Plus his tendency to embellish is really getting on my nerves. Someone should call him out on it, but unfortunately he's not named PK.
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Post by Disp on May 10, 2015 15:08:35 GMT -5
I can fix that for you. "Late in the third period, the boys didn't want to take any chances, and overcompensated by going up the boards when it wasn't always available." This isn't chess. Going up the middle can end with a "bang" in your net. Around the boards, even if it doesn't get out, the guys "reset" defensively. Much safer play, the guys know this. So when they feel the heat a bit, it's the play of choice. I realize it's frustrating to watch, when you know there is another option. Markov had a real bad one in the third. Puck moves from Carey's right to left behind the net. Markov picks it up, facing the end boards and just off the crease. Lots of time, but he just instantly rang it around and not very hard. No chance to get out or have a winger there to get it. The puck had just moved from right to left of Carey, there was no way our winger was going to be there. Should have delayed a bit, he had time. Thing is, that's not coaching, Markov knows this. He'll watch the tape and smack himself. Except it isn't the safe play. It seems like it is, but you're losing possession and back they come. We've seen this throughout the year when we get hemmed in. We stay hemmed in. It's one wave after another. The centre appears dangerous. You lose the puck there and it can be in the back of the net right now. Thing is, other teams give you that space since they can't take it all away. So it's actually safer than the guaranteed giveaway up the boards. Just watch the teams that are good at it. They save themselves a ton of time in their own end. And they generate mor offense because they have the puck more. Frankly, I don't care what specific system is used as long as it doesn't give up possession easily. Make the other team work to get back the puck. The main reason all coaches don't do that ? Fear. It's safer to fail along with most of your other colleagues, than to succeed by being different. To change topics, I read recently that the difference between good PP's and bad ones, is the ability to complete cross-ice passes. I think that's right. Watching parts of our PP's which have been better lately, and I see exactly that. Those cross-ice passes disrupt defensive positioning better than going around the perimeter so it makes sense. Good to see that happening. I personally have never seen the coaches do it. And neither have you. It's the players that do it. They don't do it all the time either. Therefore I'm going to assume that it's on them. Turning the puck over along the wall is going to result in a hell of a lot less goals than turning it over in the middle. There is room for error along the wall. In the middle, not so much. We really aren't spending that much time in our end this series. Maybe Cooper should be doing what MT has the guys doing. Overall we have the edge.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 10, 2015 15:11:01 GMT -5
Series should be over. The boys should be chilling waiting for the rags or caps. We're better. Go to Tampa and prove it again. Agreed. We outplayed them 4 of the 5 games. If only half of our goal posts would have gone in, the series would be over by now. Bishop is overrated. He can't find the puck more often than a #1 goalie should. Plus his tendency to embellish is really getting on my nerves. Someone should call him out on it, but unfortunately he's not named PK. Almost a year since we've heard from you, Max ... good to see you checking in ... I have given up on hearing any logic coming from the NHL ... both Karlsson and Stamkos should have been suspended for their hits, both involving the head ... however, it's like they're untouchable ... other clubs would have no problem sending a video to the league office if it involved PK ... and the league probably would have hung him out to dry for all to see ... that said, this edition of the team seems handle it pretty well ... it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they'd use it as motivation ... "us against the world" kinda thing ... I have a very good feeling about Tuesday night but I'm very anxious just the same ... just really impressed with the way the team has responded in this series ... Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on May 10, 2015 18:00:03 GMT -5
Except it isn't the safe play. It seems like it is, but you're losing possession and back they come. We've seen this throughout the year when we get hemmed in. We stay hemmed in. It's one wave after another. The centre appears dangerous. You lose the puck there and it can be in the back of the net right now. Thing is, other teams give you that space since they can't take it all away. So it's actually safer than the guaranteed giveaway up the boards. Just watch the teams that are good at it. They save themselves a ton of time in their own end. And they generate mor offense because they have the puck more. Frankly, I don't care what specific system is used as long as it doesn't give up possession easily. Make the other team work to get back the puck. The main reason all coaches don't do that ? Fear. It's safer to fail along with most of your other colleagues, than to succeed by being different. To change topics, I read recently that the difference between good PP's and bad ones, is the ability to complete cross-ice passes. I think that's right. Watching parts of our PP's which have been better lately, and I see exactly that. Those cross-ice passes disrupt defensive positioning better than going around the perimeter so it makes sense. Good to see that happening. I personally have never seen the coaches do it. And neither have you. It's the players that do it. They don't do it all the time either. Therefore I'm going to assume that it's on them. Turning the puck over along the wall is going to result in a hell of a lot less goals than turning it over in the middle. There is room for error along the wall. In the middle, not so much. We really aren't spending that much time in our end this series. Maybe Cooper should be doing what MT has the guys doing. Overall we have the edge. No one is disagreeing with you that turning it over in the middle is more dangerous. What we are disagreeing with, is that when Tampa goes with a 2-2-1 forechecking scheme , usually when trailing, there is NO ONE in the middle, so it's open, therefore it's safer. A 2-2-1 system, puts two forecheckers in on the defens, 2 players along the boards to prevents to dump out along the boards and a guy back at the red line in case players get caught .... The middle is open, we refuse to use it. To me, we need to adjust and use that space. Last night when Petry made that weak play along the boards that nearly ended in our net, all he had to do was dump it out cross ice .... There was no one there, but the system dictated going through 4 bodies crammed at the boards.
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Post by Disp on May 10, 2015 18:39:50 GMT -5
The "system" didn't dictate it. He could have made another choice. I've seen the guys do it, so have you. I don't think that anyone was open for a pass and I don't think he knew that his partner had lost his stick and was retrieving it either. Throwing it up the middle to nobody isn't a very good play either. He probably should have just blasted it down the ice.
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Post by Disp on May 10, 2015 18:55:02 GMT -5
And I disagree that the middle is open all the time. It's only open and useful if there's a guy going there. MT wants guys on the "goalie" side of the puck in our end, which is generally a good idea. Defensive first, don't want to get caught on the wrong side of the puck. Doesn't lend itself to getting yourself open for a breakout pass. Can't be in two places at once. We err on the side of caution. It's not always like that though. Under a heavy well timed forecheck we tend to do it. When the guys have time they move it quicker and easier. Never going to do it perfect all the time however. Generally, this series, it's been much better than we really could have realistically hoped for I think, don't you?
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Post by Disp on May 10, 2015 20:10:53 GMT -5
The #4 on the ice behind the net, and on the Hab's jerseys... that is there to represent this 4 game winning streak. Jean Béliveau predicted it. I like it. Would be sweet if it turns out that way.
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