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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 21:21:03 GMT -5
Nobody looked great tonight. Price would like some of those back. Parenteau wants that post back. Pleks wants his chance back when the score was 0-0. Tampa's best game of the series--likely its only game where they were truly dominant. Says a lot about our inefficiencies.
Powerplay: 0/2 Penalty Kill: 1/2
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Post by Disp on May 12, 2015 21:23:37 GMT -5
Tampa won twice while playing pretty much the same as we did tonight.
And that's it.
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Post by franko on May 12, 2015 21:24:41 GMT -5
it was an ugly finish . . . or as Skilly would say, the problem was that there was no finish.
MB has some decisions ahead of him. he said that this wasn't the team to win it all and he was right -- now it's time to make the changes necessary.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 12, 2015 21:27:55 GMT -5
it was an ugly finish . . . or as Skilly would say, the problem was that there was no finish. MB has some decisions ahead of him. he said that this wasn't the team to win it all and he was right -- now it's time to make the changes necessary. starting with someone to coach the pp... its a disgrace and they should be ashamed
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Post by Skilly on May 12, 2015 21:28:05 GMT -5
Post Mortem:
We need goals. DEFENSE can't win if you only score 1 goal in the majority of your playoff games.
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Post by blny on May 12, 2015 21:32:20 GMT -5
Pretty ugly effort all around. Desperation shown in games 4 and 5 was not there tonight.
Gotta get more goals in lineup. Would love to keep Petry, as it rounds out the top 4.
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Post by franko on May 12, 2015 21:34:25 GMT -5
it was an ugly finish . . . or as Skilly would say, the problem was that there was no finish. MB has some decisions ahead of him. he said that this wasn't the team to win it all and he was right -- now it's time to make the changes necessary. starting with someone to coach the pp... its a disgrace and they should be ashamed I was thinking of a poll: the problem with this team was: * coaching * the power play. = coaching * Prust (on the ice when you need scoring). = coaching * Galchy not encouraged to play centre. = coaching * Markov worn out down the stretch. = coaching * fill in the blank. = coaching I know it isn't all coaching; MT brought the team this far. but man was that ugly.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 21:34:38 GMT -5
Post Mortem: We need goals. DEFENSE can't win if you only score 1 goal in the majority of your playoff games. We're more competitive in playoff games and aren't pushed around as much. This is good. We're still lacking the grit needed to take the pucks to the net. This is bad. Get rid of our smaller forwards. I still believe we need to get rid of either Desharnais or Plekanec.
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Post by Anardil1 on May 12, 2015 21:35:04 GMT -5
Silver Lining...First nail in MTs coffin?
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Post by franko on May 12, 2015 21:39:39 GMT -5
Gotta get more goals in lineup. Would love to keep Petry, as it rounds out the top 4. PK Markov Petry Emelin Gilbert Beau Pateryn Tinordi (= coaching ) will MB make a move?
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Post by blny on May 12, 2015 21:42:03 GMT -5
Post Mortem: We need goals. DEFENSE can't win if you only score 1 goal in the majority of your playoff games. We're more competitive in playoff games and aren't pushed around as much. This is good. We're still lacking the grit needed to take the pucks to the net. This is bad. Get rid of our smaller forwards. I still believe we need to get rid of either Desharnais or Plekanec. Plekanec was particularly bad tonight. He was a turnover machine in the first, waving at pucks to avoid contact. It led directly to the first goal. Say what you will about DD, but he'll at least engage physically. Move Pleks, make a decision on Galchenyuk - c or w, and get the scoring winger.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 12, 2015 21:42:46 GMT -5
Silver Lining...First nail in MTs coffin? The players had chances to score but couldn't put the puck in the net. Unless MB can sign babs mt will be coach next year And as long as carey is in nets this team will make the playoffs.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 12, 2015 21:43:11 GMT -5
Happy the way the team is progressing ... very disappointed with the result ... the guys looked gassed more than anything else ... we're close but no cigar ... umpteen goalposts ... 2/3 of them go in and it's a different series ... 2/3 PP goals and it's no series at all ... some very good chances to turn the game around; first, Plekanec and then Weise ... Gallagher had a hellva series ... if I'm his teammate, I'm apologizing to Carey Price ... heard some good things about Therrien from the CBC commentary ... he's very involved on the bench ... hoping it's an interesting draft day and that the Habs are involved ... #StillaHab
Cheers.
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Post by blny on May 12, 2015 21:44:05 GMT -5
Gotta get more goals in lineup. Would love to keep Petry, as it rounds out the top 4. PK Markov Petry Emelin Gilbert Beau Pateryn Tinordi (= coaching ) will MB make a move? He has to. He either needs to add a veteran, big body, center to mentor Galchenyuk or he needs to move Alex to the middle and add the goal scorer to his line. Plekanec has a year left. He's still a good player, but we have to move on.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 21:47:49 GMT -5
Happy the way the team is progressing ... very disappointed with the result ... the guys looked gassed more than anything else ... we're close but no cigar ... umpteen goalposts ... 2/3 of them go in and it's a different series ... 2/3 PP goals and it's no series at all ... some very good chances to turn the game around; first, Plekanec and then Weise ... Gallagher had a hellva series ... if I'm his teammate, I'm apologizing to Carey Price ... heard some good things about Therrien from the CBC commentary ... he's very involved on the bench ... hoping it's an interesting draft day and that the Habs are involved ... #StillaHabCheers. Close loses Stanley Cups.
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Post by MC Habber on May 12, 2015 22:09:46 GMT -5
Starting to think PK is not a big game player. When it's do or die he usually tries to do too much and ends up giving the puck away. If I were a Tampa fan, I'd be asking, "Where was this in the first 5 games of the series?" This was exactly how they played us all regular season.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 12, 2015 22:23:12 GMT -5
Starting to think PK is not a big game player. When it's do or die he usually tries to do too much and ends up giving the puck away. If I were a Tampa fan, I'd be asking, "Where was this in the first 5 games of the series?" This was exactly how they played us all regular season. Where ya' been, HC ... I thought the guys deserved a better fate ... there are things for Bergevin to address ... I'm already wondering what Bergevin's next move will be ... interesting summer coming up ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on May 12, 2015 22:33:55 GMT -5
I picked Tampa in 5, so I'm not surprised.
In the VAST majority of games, if Price doesn't give us a chance to win 1-0 or 2-1, we've been finished.
That's Year 2 of Price's brilliance gone, Bergevin. Last year was pretty darned great, too....before Kreider took him out. Get some goal support.
To that end...one of the biggest questions for next year is Galchenyuk.
He disappeared down the stretch (i.e. after he was moved back to the wing)....and throughout these playoffs.
I hope he isn't used as trade bait in the off-season because our brain trust doesn't think he'll work out.
I really wish he'd been left at centre back in January.
And I really really hope his confidence hasn't been shattered so early.
It's happened to other players before. He seems mentally tough, though.
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Post by CentreHice on May 12, 2015 22:40:31 GMT -5
Starting to think PK is not a big game player. When it's do or die he usually tries to do too much and ends up giving the puck away. If I were a Tampa fan, I'd be asking, "Where was this in the first 5 games of the series?" This was exactly how they played us all regular season. Hey MCH! Great to hear from you. And the Bolts are going to have to continue playing that way if they're to go to the Finals. Maybe our defensive system DID stifle them....then we just ran out of gas. Studs up front. Those are the missing links right now.
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Post by habsorbed on May 12, 2015 22:41:39 GMT -5
Starting to think PK is not a big game player. When it's do or die he usually tries to do too much and ends up giving the puck away. If I were a Tampa fan, I'd be asking, "Where was this in the first 5 games of the series?" This was exactly how they played us all regular season. PK is a big game player. He was awful tonight but not many can play big games over and over again. He was great last game and through most of the playoffs. Don't know if TB played all that well. We threw up a dud tonight. No one played well - including Carey. That's problem when you go down 3-0 - no room for off nights.
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Post by habsorbed on May 12, 2015 23:03:26 GMT -5
What we need is what we've needed for years now: an offensive centre.
Each of the teams still alive in the playoffs has at least one centre who has more goals than our 3 centres combined. DD, Pleks and Eller just don't cut it for top 3 centres. A top centre would also cure our PP instantly.
I appreciate good centres don't grow on trees but we may have one in our orchard. Chuck could have been the answer had MT shown some courage and foresight earlier this season.
MB needs to decide if Chuck is ready and able to make the move. If we don't get a good centre then we will waste the window provided by Carey, PK, and Max.
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Post by stoat on May 12, 2015 23:06:25 GMT -5
No one van deny that the Habs were outplayed and outcoached by a superior team that deserved to win. It's evident that the Habs can't be elevated to the same level between now and the start of next season. They need too many pieces.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 12, 2015 23:24:32 GMT -5
No one van deny that the Habs were outplayed and outcoached by a superior team that deserved to win. It's evident that the Habs can't be elevated to the same level between now and the start of next season. They need too many pieces. I thought Tampa was the better team in two of the games in this series ... other than Games 2 and 6, the Habs carried the play ... Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 0:00:55 GMT -5
Yzerman has done a great job, but had a head start and a Stamkos. I still like the direction this team is heading. Enjoy your summer, let's hope Tinordi and Big Mac are opening night starters, maybe Connor Crisp as well.
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Post by seventeen on May 13, 2015 0:06:11 GMT -5
No one van deny that the Habs were outplayed and outcoached by a superior team that deserved to win. It's evident that the Habs can't be elevated to the same level between now and the start of next season. They need too many pieces. Not sure about that Stoat, but I could be wearing rose coloured glasses. 1. Sign Petry. That gives us a solid D. PK - Beaulieu, Petry and Markov, Gilbert/Tinordi/Emelin/Pateryn (some combination of these). 2. Play Galchenyuk at centre and keep him there. 3. Bring in McCarron and/or Scherbak. Don't know if either will impress enough, but I think McCarron is ready and Scherbak may need some defensive seasoning. 4. Re-sign Torrey Mitchell Those are the broad strokes and there'd have to be a lot of tinkering with the rest of the team, but lines would fall into place and we should end up with a bigger, grittier team. We will have to make a trade or 2. There are a few players who have shown that they can't carry us through the playoffs. There's more required, but we'll have to wait and see what happens through the draft and FA season. It's amazing what one successful move can do for your team, though, so I don't think we're that far away.
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Post by habsorbed on May 13, 2015 0:32:34 GMT -5
I don't think we're that far off either. This series could have gone either way. Let's see how TB does. But we can play with the remaining teams, especially if we could get top centre. With a top centre we win this series in a walk.
Obviously we're fine in goal. Our d is set if we can sign Pertry. Beau will be a good one and easily replace Markov next year. Petry Beau and PK are a Pretty Big Three. If Markov can still play then we'e in great shape. Pateryn can play in this league.
The big problem is up front. And we are young there except for Pleks who should be traded. He will be a FA after next year and we will lose him for nothing. Should have done it this year but still not too late.
Only untouchables up front are Max, Gally and Chuck. Any of the others should be packaged up and get a top centre. I'd be reluctant to let Rosey go but if it brought back a top centre sure.
We started this season with everyone on this board saying we could not keep DD, Pleks and Eller - need to make room for Chuck. Nothing's changed. One if not two go them have to go. I'd keep Eller as he has size and will always be a good third line centre with the potential to improve. We've seen the best of Pleks and DD and it's not good enough to contend.
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Post by blny on May 13, 2015 5:46:15 GMT -5
Whether you're a fan of analytics, or old school stats, Montreal DID carry the play in 4 of the six games. A lack of finish is what did them in, not being vastly outplayed. If the Habs could finish chances Montreal wins in 5. A lack of goal scoring isn't unique to Montreal though.
PK has been nothing but big game since he was a junior age player. He was there in big games when he first got his chance in 2010, and he was there in the last two. There's only a couple of guys in the league, who can make the play he did to set up Parenteau. I'll be the first to agree he sometimes tries to do too much though.
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Post by franko on May 13, 2015 6:04:23 GMT -5
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Post by franko on May 13, 2015 6:06:04 GMT -5
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Post by Disp on May 13, 2015 6:12:41 GMT -5
No one van deny that the Habs were outplayed and outcoached by a superior team that deserved to win. It's evident that the Habs can't be elevated to the same level between now and the start of next season. They need too many pieces. I thought Tampa was the better team in two of the games in this series ... other than Games 2 and 6, the Habs carried the play ... Cheers. If the habs won this series, the way Tbay did, MT would get no credit. Instead it's Cooper that out coached him. Hilarious.
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