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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 30, 2015 15:15:08 GMT -5
It is still a very, very young team and there are a lot of first time pros coming in this fall (Scherbak, McCarron, Fucale, Gregoire, Lernout, Bozon, and MacMillan). Welcome to the pros ... they're all heading there at the same time ... good way to develop a core, eh ... Cheers.
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2015 15:44:45 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jun 30, 2015 15:54:21 GMT -5
Heard a bit of discussion on these guys on AM690 this morning ... if it were up to me I'd stay away from both players ... all Marc Bergevin would be doing is taking on another Danny Briere/PA Parenteau scenario and he had tough time getting rid of the present one ... if there isn't a player who impresses at camp then try to make a hockey trade for someone who is under contract ... just stay away from Michal Frolik and Matt Beleskey ... neither one will put us over the top ... Cheers. Yeah not to crazy about having a Frolik or Belesky tying up $5 mil for the next 4,5 or 6 years... Might look at Hogdson, Boyes, or Arcobello maybe??? I like Hogdson the best as it couldn't hurt throwing him on the RW and see if he can get so chemistry with a center and get some confidence back. The big money guys are just not worth the big money this year IMO Think a Pacioretty- Desharnais- Hogdson line could work???
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 30, 2015 16:13:35 GMT -5
Think a Pacioretty- Desharnais- Hogdson line could work??? Not if a Cup is the goal. 2/3 of that line isn't enough.
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Post by frozone on Jun 30, 2015 16:20:13 GMT -5
I'd move what it took to sign a guy like Frolik, tweener or not, before signing a Chris Stewart. I think our bottom six is fine. Frolik, even if he only produced at the 42ish point clip he has, would have more impact. Bottom line, it depends on where the bidding for him goes. At $4 million, he would live up to it I think. Any more than that, and it's too much. We'd all love a hockey trade that clearly addresses the need in the top 6. Not too many teams willingly trading goals out of their line ups. I think Frolik would surprise us if he received true top 6 playing time, although I do agree that he's one of those versatile wingers that probably works best as a heavily used 3rd liner. In the past, Frolik has not played much on the PP, so when you take into account that the majority of his points have come at even strength, 0.5 ppg doesn't sound so bad. In 2013-14, of his 42 points, only 2 came on the powerplay. He was only 1 point shy of Pacioretty for 5on5 production. I think he would be an ideal fit for Eller's wing. Even though our bottom 6 is more or less set, we could really use someone like Frolik to help Eller's line produce. But, if the plan is to play Frolik in the top 6, I think he could set career highs IF he's given real power play minutes. Won't be surprised if the bidding goes up to 5M though... at which point its just not worth it. But if we get him at 3.5M he would absolutely make the team better.
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Post by blny on Jun 30, 2015 17:09:22 GMT -5
Of note, Stafford re-upped with the Jets. 2 years and $8.4 million. His numbers are no better than Frolik's. Drew's a long way removed from his 30g campaign. Similar sort of player to Frolik imo. Should, shoooould, set the bar.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 30, 2015 20:55:14 GMT -5
I'll delete the thread I created on the Flynn signing. Habs sign FlynnThe above article states "The Canadiens now have $6,641,667 in cap space to sign Alex Galchenyuk, Jarred Tinordi, Michael Bournival, and Christian Thomas." Didn't see your thread, WD, or else I would have replied to it ... I doubt it's enough to sign them all ... Marc Bergevin has to find more cap space ... Cheers. No worries Rico.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 30, 2015 22:41:49 GMT -5
It is still a very, very young team and there are a lot of first time pros coming in this fall (Scherbak, McCarron, Fucale, Gregoire, Lernout, Bozon, and MacMillan). Welcome to the pros ... they're all heading there at the same time ... good way to develop a core, eh ... Cheers. They have all been to a few camps together now, and get to make their pro debuts together. The "next wave" for sure. MacMillan going the BCHL/NCAA route may be less acquainted with the CHL guys, but they all will be at development camp, rookie tourney and camp, main camp, and then Ice Caps camp between now and puck drop. Lots of bonding!
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2015 10:23:56 GMT -5
Tarasenko. Blues. Unsigned as of yet, RFA. He might be the offersheet target. Dynamic player. Jussayin' lol
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 1, 2015 10:51:43 GMT -5
Tarasenko. Blues. Unsigned as of yet, RFA. He might be the offersheet target. Dynamic player. Jussayin' lol When can an offer sheet be tendered? i.e. is there a deadline date? I can't see the Blues messing that up. He's definitely part of their future...a highlight reel player.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 1, 2015 11:01:23 GMT -5
Tarasenko. Blues. Unsigned as of yet, RFA. He might be the offersheet target. Dynamic player. Jussayin' lol When can an offer sheet be tendered? i.e. is there a deadline date? I can't see the Blues messing that up. He's definitely part of their future...a highlight reel player. Offer sheets can be tendered the day after the draft. Which is also the deadline for qualifying offers. We should also remember teams can file for arbitration if they think a player is asking for too much
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2015 11:02:28 GMT -5
Tarasenko. Blues. Unsigned as of yet, RFA. He might be the offersheet target. Dynamic player. Jussayin' lol When can an offer sheet be tendered? i.e. is there a deadline date? I can't see the Blues messing that up. He's definitely part of their future...a highlight reel player. They're not in a cap bind, so they almost assuredly match.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 2, 2015 18:36:37 GMT -5
I Wonder what the cost acquiring Patrick berglund outta StLoius would be? I think he could help our top 6 maybe even at center..seems to be under the radar type of trade. I think he wouldn't cost too much.. Right up Bergerons ally, right?
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Post by seventeen on Jul 2, 2015 20:39:11 GMT -5
If I recall, BC suggested Berglund as far back as the Halak-Eller trade, thinking Berglund would have been s better or at least a different option. I can't recall if he recanted.
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Post by blny on Jul 2, 2015 20:45:17 GMT -5
He should be cheap considering his number have been in steady decline. He's a big body, but I don't think he'll add much offense.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 2, 2015 23:32:55 GMT -5
The Berg should sign Semin just to see MT's head explode.
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 3, 2015 6:57:11 GMT -5
If I recall, BC suggested Berglund as far back as the Halak-Eller trade, thinking Berglund would have been s better or at least a different option. I can't recall if he recanted. I never recant!! ( Denying is much easier.)
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Post by blny on Jul 3, 2015 7:07:26 GMT -5
The Berg should sign Semin just to see MT's head explode. Buwhahaha. Such a waste of talent. The Canes are going to be paying him $2,333,333 a year until July of 2021.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jul 7, 2015 22:37:08 GMT -5
Berg is desperate if he signs that chump.
But I hope Berg is desparate in another way. To win. This is Year 4 and so far Berg has shuffled the deck around a core he inherited. Which is fine, but he hadn't made the team better. It's been a revolving door of lower level moves that haven't been awful but haven't made the difference either. I'm still bummed about the Prust deal.
In my dreams I hope Berg has a very short leash on Therrien this year. No more scoring 2 goals a game and hope we get bailed out by Price. Either get this thing moving or he's gone. Seriously. The window with this core is 3 years max, which is when Price's contract expires. After that we either need to pay a huge salary for what at that point will be a declining asset or we let him walk or deal him in the last year.
I believe this year will enormously telling as to whether or not Michel Therrien can make this team better and take it to a Stanley Cup. Maybe that's why Berg has been a bit testy. Whether he says it or not he knows this is a big year.
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Post by blny on Jul 7, 2015 22:40:31 GMT -5
Barring injury, I think Price is a goalie that lasts as long as Brodeur should have. Marty should have retired a couple of years before he did. I see Price challenging for the win record before he's done. His demeanor is the best out of any goalie in the league, and he's as talented as any of the others. If he's on the downward spiral in 3 years, he's not the goalie most think he is.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 8, 2015 1:00:44 GMT -5
No doubt Price is still going to be an elite goalie in 3 years, but his next contract is going to be bigger, and if its us signing him, then it will leave that much less $$ for other pieces.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 8, 2015 7:13:17 GMT -5
Berg is desperate if he signs that chump. But I hope Berg is desparate in another way. To win. This is Year 4 and so far Berg has shuffled the deck around a core he inherited. Which is fine, but he hadn't made the team better. It's been a revolving door of lower level moves that haven't been awful but haven't made the difference either. I'm still bummed about the Prust deal. In my dreams I hope Berg has a very short leash on Therrien this year. No more scoring 2 goals a game and hope we get bailed out by Price. Either get this thing moving or he's gone. Seriously. The window with this core is 3 years max, which is when Price's contract expires. After that we either need to pay a huge salary for what at that point will be a declining asset or we let him walk or deal him in the last year. I believe this year will enormously telling as to whether or not Michel Therrien can make this team better and take it to a Stanley Cup. Maybe that's why Berg has been a bit testy. Whether he says it or not he knows this is a big year. I have several concerns about this up and coming season, but my main concern is just how much other teams have improved, or will improve ... I figure it's only a matter of time before Florida establishes themselves in the post season ... Buffalo seems to have improved every time I hear the name ... I won't ever count Detroit out ... ditto Tampa Bay ... Ottawa will score a lot of goals, but they may go only as far as their goaltending takes them (not that we can talk) ... I thought Boston might be somewhere in the playoff mix until I saw the draft ... I don't know about Toronto ... I figure they'll go as far as their coaching takes them ... as far as Montreal goes, I heard Marc Bergevin say (paraphrase), "... you can ask any GM and they'll agree that the best way to build your team is through the young players" ... now, I don't mind that, but at the same time will that approach keep us competitive ... Bergevin doesn't seem to be a panic artist when it comes to wheeling and dealing ... just about every deal he's made has improved the team and he hasn't mortgaged the future to do it ... I suspect his next deal (whenever that is) will be the same ... just hope we can keep up with the improvements other teams have made ... Cheers.
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Post by blny on Jul 8, 2015 7:18:00 GMT -5
No doubt Price is still going to be an elite goalie in 3 years, but his next contract is going to be bigger, and if its us signing him, then it will leave that much less $$ for other pieces. It will go up, but we'll see how much. The goalie market is fickle at best. He's being paid $6.5 million now, so whatever his raise is it won't be as substantial as say Pacioretty - who's on a friggin' bargain of a contract.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jul 8, 2015 9:07:10 GMT -5
My point remains that the window for this team is RIGHT NOW. Bergevin's job when he got here was to take the core of Price-Subban-Pacioretty and make it better. He hasn't really done that. The only free agent he signed over the past 3 years that is still on the team is Tom Gilbert. Everyone else has been filler and/or is now gone (Armstrong, Briere, PAP, Prust, Weaver).
He gave up a lot of character in the room in Prust on wishful thinking for Kassian, and I'm also worried that he or MT is enamored with DSP (who I think sucks). I'd take Michael Bournival over DSP any day of the week.
I still think this is a 3 year window. In 3 years Price will be a 31 year old UFA and entering his 12th NHL season. We like to assume that he'll be just like Roy or Brodeur and play at a high level into his mid 30s but who knows?
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Post by jkr on Jul 8, 2015 10:38:52 GMT -5
My point remains that the window for this team is RIGHT NOW. Bergevin's job when he got here was to take the core of Price-Subban-Pacioretty and make it better. He hasn't really done that. The only free agent he signed over the past 3 years that is still on the team is Tom Gilbert. Everyone else has been filler and/or is now gone (Armstrong, Briere, PAP, Prust, Weaver). He gave up a lot of character in the room in Prust on wishful thinking for Kassian, and I'm also worried that he or MT is enamored with DSP (who I think sucks). I'd take Michael Bournival over DSP any day of the week. Someone here mentioned this already - when Prust signed with the Rangers people thought that the Rangers were giving up a lot character wise. Yet since he's left NY, they have made the Cup Finals and the conference finals in consecutive seasons. I think there is enough character in the room to replace what Prust brought.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 8, 2015 10:43:40 GMT -5
And lost both times . Could Prust have been the difference? Just yanking, gentlemen.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 8, 2015 13:35:42 GMT -5
It's nice for MB to say that all gms agree that the only way to build a team is through the draft. No one disagrees with that concept. Problem is MB is no longer building a team. The team is built! It has its foundation and its core. The team is now trying to win a championship. And you don't need to be a gm to look at history and see that all championship teams added key players through a trade or FA (Chi - Hossa, Richards; LA - Carter, Richards, Boston - Chara, Recchi).
MB has only a few years to add to the foundation before it starts its inevitable crumbling.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 10, 2015 13:27:26 GMT -5
Here is Arpon Basu's latest story, talking about the top five forwards coming out of camp that could/should be in the running for a roster spot if the Berg continues to stay pat this summer and not sign any additional scoring winger depth (and there are not a lot of great options out there). I am sure we could all come up with the same five names: Hudon, Andrighetto, Carr, McCarron and Scherbak. I would also throw Bud Holloway into the mix and he is the very unknown "X factor" for me, having never played in the NHL but he comes in with the most pro hockey experience of the "newbies". He may end up being nothing more than AHL filler, but I am sure management includes him in the mix as players to watch at camp this fall. www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=774457Wasn't sure where to put this, but Berg has also hired an analytics consultant to help the team. Here is a very interesting article that outlines certain lineup changes that would ensue if the team went from a more analytics focus going forward. Quite clearly, it would involve a certain head coach to change some of his perennial choices, but it makes for some interesting reading as to how the added emphasis on analytics could enter into back room discussions on how the Habs use certain players. Interesting stuff, but only one of many tools in the box. thehockeywriters.com/what-canadiens-new-analytics-hire-will-present-to-therrien/
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 10, 2015 14:37:41 GMT -5
Good! Because I know they haven't been heeding the experts on our board.
I LedOL when the article stated that statistics correctly predicted the demise of the 2013-14 Leafs.
You didn't need advanced numbers to make that call.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 10, 2015 21:08:21 GMT -5
So Sharp goes to Dallas for basically Trevor Daley. Gilbert is better than Daley with a smaller contract. Were we not offering Gilbert? In any case have now missed out on Sharp. My solution?
Sign Semin to a 1 year contract. He drives MT nuts, Therrien quits and we get 2 birds with 1 stone
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