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Post by blny on May 19, 2015 13:15:34 GMT -5
Per Friedmann and his 30 thoughts ... www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-the-last-days-of-babwatch/#20 Would not be surprised if Montreal is one of the teams in on Kerby Rychel, who may not be a Blue Jacket much longer. Columbus is looking for defencemen and is loaded with good, young forwards.
A 20-year-old two years removed from being a first-round pick is hard to find, so there’s going to be a market. Rychel had concussion issues last season, but word is he’s cleared. Definitely out of left field, but most of what Berg has done is.
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Post by Polarice on May 19, 2015 13:20:01 GMT -5
Plays a big game, seems to be the type of player MB looks for.
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Post by blny on May 19, 2015 13:22:16 GMT -5
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Post by PTH on May 19, 2015 14:14:13 GMT -5
Would be pretty much the defenseman version of Tinordi, so there may be a deal to be made, one for one.
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Post by Lord Bebop on May 19, 2015 15:20:12 GMT -5
Would be pretty much the defenseman version of Tinordi, so there may be a deal to be made, one for one. Would be tough to let go Tinordi but for Rychel....hmm pretty even value I think.... I don't mind it
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 19, 2015 16:04:39 GMT -5
Would be pretty much the defenseman version of Tinordi, so there may be a deal to be made, one for one. Read somewhere that Columbus might be willing to part with him so as to upgrade their defence ... the guy sounds like he could be another Claude Lemieux ... toughness wise, anyway ... Cheers.
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Post by blny on May 19, 2015 16:24:14 GMT -5
Someone on HF proposed Rychel and Anisimov for Eller and Tinordi.
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Post by PTH on May 19, 2015 20:44:55 GMT -5
Why is it that the throw-ins on HF are always more important than the people actually rumored ?
"Someone suggested Parenteau for a 4th rounder, but I'd made it Parenteau, Subban and Galchenyuk for a 1st and Malkin instead"
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Post by blny on May 19, 2015 20:58:45 GMT -5
There's no doubt posters on HF throw a lot of crap at the wall looking to see what sticks. The reference to Eller is because of Jarmo. Jarmo drafted him in St Louis, and is said to think highly of Lars still. Value-wise, I don't think it's far off.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 20, 2015 7:17:52 GMT -5
I've only visited HF a few times over the years ... they have some very good posters over there, but they often get buried in a plethora of 'tweet-length' posts ... don't want to run down their boards ... it's just not for me, I guess ...
Cheers.
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Post by blny on May 20, 2015 7:20:18 GMT -5
I've only visited HF a few times over the years ... they have some very good posters over there, but they often get buried in a plethora of 'tweet-length' posts ... don't want to run down their boards ... it's just not for me, I guess ... Cheers. There's a lot to sift through.
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Post by BadCompany on May 20, 2015 8:15:18 GMT -5
A 20 year old power-forward with head issues. Risky, but Rychel has definite home-run potential. The rumours are that they want established defensemen and/or picks.
1) Our first rounder for Rychel. Possible I suppose. We have the 26th overall, and Rychel is a former 19th overall, so value-wise it's not that far off. We get the more developed player, but he has concussion issues. Not sure there is any benefit to the Blue Jackets doing this though, unless they know something about Rychel's head that tells them to cut bait while they can. They do have a lot of forward prospects, but when is that a bad thing?
2) One of Beaulieu, Tinordi or Pateryn for Rychel. I don't know if I would do Beaulieu for Rychel, though I think the Blue Jackets would jump all over it. That does free up Tinordi and/or Pateryn to make the team (and they both have to clear waivers), but does it make us better? Bergevin would be gambling that Rychel is healthy, will be healthy, and will produce at the NHL level, because we know Beaulieu can. Pateryn I don't think has enough upside to equal Rychel, though again if Kirby's head is a mess they might take it. Which leaves us with Tinordi, as PTH said. Tinordi for Rychel? Another "on paper looks good" deal, but I guess that depends on how highly they think of Tinordi. They'll have to keep him in the NHL next year, so do they think he can take a regular shift and be a difference maker? Might be an option, but I think they are going to want a more established veteran. Which brings us to…
3) Gilbert or Emelin for Rychel. I'd forget about offering Gilbert, that does nothing for them. Unless, again, head injury. But Emelin? Hmmm… I'm not as down on Emelin as others are, so I think this could be a possibility. I think we would have to retain salary, say a million or so, but I think it could work. Emelin would give them an established veteran capable of playing 18-20 minutes a game, and at $3 million a year that's not bad. Montreal gets cap space for Petry, and a potential power forward down the line that they can stick in the AHL next season if need be.
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Post by habsorbed on May 22, 2015 1:03:35 GMT -5
A 20 year old power-forward with head issues. Risky, but Rychel has definite home-run potential. The rumours are that they want established defensemen and/or picks. 1) Our first rounder for Rychel. Possible I suppose. We have the 26th overall, and Rychel is a former 19th overall, so value-wise it's not that far off. We get the more developed player, but he has concussion issues. Not sure there is any benefit to the Blue Jackets doing this though, unless they know something about Rychel's head that tells them to cut bait while they can. They do have a lot of forward prospects, but when is that a bad thing? 2) One of Beaulieu, Tinordi or Pateryn for Rychel. I don't know if I would do Beaulieu for Rychel, though I think the Blue Jackets would jump all over it. That does free up Tinordi and/or Pateryn to make the team (and they both have to clear waivers), but does it make us better? Bergevin would be gambling that Rychel is healthy, will be healthy, and will produce at the NHL level, because we know Beaulieu can. Pateryn I don't think has enough upside to equal Rychel, though again if Kirby's head is a mess they might take it. Which leaves us with Tinordi, as PTH said. Tinordi for Rychel? Another "on paper looks good" deal, but I guess that depends on how highly they think of Tinordi. They'll have to keep him in the NHL next year, so do they think he can take a regular shift and be a difference maker? Might be an option, but I think they are going to want a more established veteran. Which brings us to… 3) Gilbert or Emelin for Rychel. I'd forget about offering Gilbert, that does nothing for them. Unless, again, head injury. But Emelin? Hmmm… I'm not as down on Emelin as others are, so I think this could be a possibility. I think we would have to retain salary, say a million or so, but I think it could work. Emelin would give them an established veteran capable of playing 18-20 minutes a game, and at $3 million a year that's not bad. Montreal gets cap space for Petry, and a potential power forward down the line that they can stick in the AHL next season if need be. 1) Giving up a first rounder is fine with me. Many say don't give those up. But if you're among the top teams, as we are, you're basically giving up a second rounder. I note that 3 of the 4 teams currently contending for the Cup all gave up a first rounder in the past year to strengthen their chance while their window of opportunity is there: NY got Yandle and Ducks got Kesler - both have been instrumental in their current runs. Chi got Vermette - not so instrumental. As far as i'm concerned our first rounder - this year or next should be on the table. 2) I would not give up Beau unless the return is a bone fide top player. Beau is already very good and could be great. Let's not revisit McDonaugh. While i believe both Pateryn and Tinordi will be decent NHL dmen, neither will be a star and both may be redundant on our team so giving up one is no biggy for me. 3) don't see emeiln getting any better and may regress even further (ya, i'm not a big fan) so i'm good with trading him.
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Post by blny on May 22, 2015 1:55:56 GMT -5
Not really prepared to give up Beaulieu for an untested player. Nathan is an NHL defenseman. What's more, I think he's top 4 on half the teams in the league. He's top 4 on Montreal if they don't sign Petry.
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Post by BadCompany on May 22, 2015 7:33:21 GMT -5
1) Giving up a first rounder is fine with me. Many say don't give those up. But if you're among the top teams, as we are, you're basically giving up a second rounder. I note that 3 of the 4 teams currently contending for the Cup all gave up a first rounder in the past year to strengthen their chance while their window of opportunity is there: NY got Yandle and Ducks got Kesler - both have been instrumental in their current runs. Chi got Vermette - not so instrumental. As far as i'm concerned our first rounder - this year or next should be on the table. 2) I would not give up Beau unless the return is a bone fide top player. Beau is already very good and could be great. Let's not revisit McDonaugh. While i believe both Pateryn and Tinordi will be decent NHL dmen, neither will be a star and both may be redundant on our team so giving up one is no biggy for me. That's kind of the dilemma though, isn't it? We're fine with giving up a 1st rounder for Rychel, but not Beaulieu... a former first rounder. Would we be happy giving up McCarron or Scherbak for Rychel? I wouldn't be, but they were drafted 25th and 26th overall in their respective draft years. We, of course, would be giving up a 26th overall for Rychel. Is Rychel a better prospect than either of McCarron or Scherbak? For that matter, is he a better prospect than Tinordi, drafted 22nd, the same spot Pacioretty was drafted? Of course Rychel is almost certainly a better prospect than Leblanc (18th), but you can't assume your first rounder is going to bust, can you? If that's the assumption then you might as well trade them every year, right? The number "25th overall" means nothing... but once you attach a name to that number it gets much more difficult to let it go...
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Post by seventeen on May 22, 2015 11:31:26 GMT -5
Not really prepared to give up Beaulieu for an untested player. Nathan is an NHL defenseman. What's more, I think he's top 4 on half the teams in the league. He's top 4 on Montreal if they don't sign Petry. Might be top 4 even if they do sign Petry. I'd be ok with a Gilbert/Emelin pairing on the 3rd group. I'd be even better with a Gilbert/Tinordi pairing. Play the kid and let him grow. (both Beau and Tinner)
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Post by blny on May 22, 2015 11:36:10 GMT -5
If Emelin moved yes, he could easily.
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Post by stoat on May 23, 2015 18:34:36 GMT -5
I don't think Tinordi is a particularly valuable asset and Im bored by reading about his potential as a prospect. If some GM thinks he is valuable and is willing to give up an asset I recognize as more valuable, fine. I'm not particular about his position so long as it isn't a goaltender. The Habs already have a promising prospect in Fucale.
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