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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 27, 2015 19:00:16 GMT -5
I came up with the names I heard most often ...
Cheers.
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Post by Polarice on May 27, 2015 19:10:36 GMT -5
PK consistently backs up his talk with his play. He's good with teammates and the press, he is a community guy, other than Price he's our best player.
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Post by blny on May 27, 2015 19:29:23 GMT -5
I think the year Pacioretty had likely gives him the "C". My alternates would be PK and Bgally. Dark horse with the last one. His work ethic and tenacity mean that Brendan is a leader on the team. He leads by example and takes more of a beating than anyone else on the team. This also means that the team officially belongs to the young core group.
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Post by jkr on May 27, 2015 19:36:29 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 27, 2015 20:17:58 GMT -5
I had to mull over a few things ... Brendan Gallagher has all the heart in the world, but I'm not sure he's ready to be captain ... he's definitely on that radar, though ... I initially liked PK Subban and a little piece of me still wouldn't mind seeing him with the "C" ... the opinions on him are just so bipolar ... he's the scrooge anywhere outside the city, but he's also the toast of the town when he's in Montreal ... I don't know of another star d-man in the league that has as many gaffs shown on highlight reels as Subban does and he still gets a Norris nomination nonetheless ... I also thought about Brandon Prust but it's the second playoffs in a row that he's blurted something controversial ... right now I feel Max Pacioretty probably warrants the "C" ... he's shown the maturity and he'll be around for a few more years yet ... I'd keep the existing assistant captains the same ...
Cheers.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 27, 2015 20:18:12 GMT -5
Patches, with PK and Gally.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 22:19:48 GMT -5
Agree with the sentiment of Patches getting the C, A's, going to PK and BG.
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Post by Gogie on May 28, 2015 9:21:17 GMT -5
Agree with the sentiment of Patches getting the C, A's, going to PK and BG. This would mean Plekanec is moved. Can't take the A from him and expect him to be happy. Of course, according to another thread he's already been traded, so this discussion is moot. Edit: I went with PK. He's more outgoing and speaks his mind. Also, I really believe he's a Hab through and through. IMO he's the type of guy who does what's best for the team, not for himself, and that's the sign of a leader. Not dissing Patches, just think PK would be more of a leader with Patches playing a strong supporting role as an A.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 28, 2015 9:47:18 GMT -5
Agree with the sentiment of Patches getting the C, A's, going to PK and BG. This would mean Plekanec is moved. Can't take the A from him and expect him to be happy. Of course, according to another thread he's already been traded, so this discussion is moot. Edit: I went with PK. He's more outgoing and speaks his mind. Also, I really believe he's a Hab through and through. IMO he's the type of guy who does what's best for the team, not for himself, and that's the sign of a leader. Not dissing Patches, just think PK would be more of a leader with Patches playing a strong supporting role as an A. I mentioned keeping the assistants the same because taking a letter away from a veteran at this point might not go over too well (unless the veteran actually doesn't want the responsibility) ... if Tomas Plekanec either doesn't mind, or is moved, then the letter should go to Brendan Gallagher, you know, providing the organization wants to go with three assistants, that is ... I was listening to TSN690 (when I could get it in the car) and they were briefly talking about how many folks actually wouldn't mind seeing Gallagher with the "C" ... I'd imagine Guy Lafleur's comments had something to do with it, too ... Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on May 28, 2015 10:43:00 GMT -5
I've been wondering that point all along, Dis. It's really tough to take away a letter from someone. Really tough. Two of the AC's may not be with the team that much longer (PLeks and Markov) and an letter for Gally may work out better at those points. On pure leadership qualities I'd just hand it to BGal, but its more complicated than that.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 28, 2015 15:11:48 GMT -5
I've been wondering that point all along, Dis. It's really tough to take away a letter from someone. Really tough. Two of the AC's may not be with the team that much longer (PLeks and Markov) and an letter for Gally may work out better at those points. On pure leadership qualities I'd just hand it to BGal, but its more complicated than that. Have extend the same courtesy Dschens extended to me ... congrats on 20,000 posts ... BGal will get there some day, I'd hope, anyway ... Cheers.
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Post by franko on May 28, 2015 16:16:00 GMT -5
Have extend the same courtesy Dschens extended to me ... congrats on 20,000 posts ... BGal will get there some day, I'd hope, anyway ... has he started to post here
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Post by Polarice on May 28, 2015 16:25:18 GMT -5
I've been wondering that point all along, Dis. It's really tough to take away a letter from someone. Really tough. Two of the AC's may not be with the team that much longer (PLeks and Markov) and an letter for Gally may work out better at those points. On pure leadership qualities I'd just hand it to BGal, but its more complicated than that. Have extend the same courtesy Dschens extended to me ... congrats on 20,000 posts ... BGal will get there some day, I'd hope, anyway ... Cheers. Wow...20K great job guys!!
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Post by seventeen on May 28, 2015 16:52:19 GMT -5
Much of it is gibberish. If we counted quality posts, I'd be around 12 or 13.
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Post by franko on May 28, 2015 17:04:37 GMT -5
Much of it is gibberish. If we counted quality posts, I'd be around 12 or 13. if you knocked off the MT love, to 5 or 6
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Post by seventeen on May 28, 2015 17:06:14 GMT -5
Then if you subtract the Bourque topic, I'd owe the Board some messages. You really want to be in that position? Second prize is even more posts.
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Post by BadCompany on May 29, 2015 7:41:05 GMT -5
As much as I like Gallagher I can't see the organization giving the C to a player that the referees have flat-out told "will never get a call". It ain't right, but if the refs already hate dealing with Brendan I can't see them liking it any more once they have to.
I'd lean towards Pacioretty, slightly over Subban. Though either one would be okay by me. Just that Pacioretty seems more "Old School Hab" in his demeanor, which again shouldn't mean anything, but probably does.
Or they could go with alternate captains, like they did with Carbonneau and Chelios.
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Post by Boston_Habs on May 29, 2015 9:56:32 GMT -5
PK hands down, IMO. He's the face of the franchise, the best player, and the most passionate. I actually think putting the 'C' on him would temper some of his bad habits and tendency to have poor discipline.
The Habs are sometimes a bit too "stuffy" for their own good. Like every captain has to be like Jean Beliveau or Bob Gainey. As long as PK is respected in the room, who can really argue with giving the 'C' to your best player?
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Post by habsorbed on May 29, 2015 11:16:41 GMT -5
PK hands down, IMO. He's the face of the franchise, the best player, and the most passionate. I actually think putting the 'C' on him would temper some of his bad habits and tendency to have poor discipline. The Habs are sometimes a bit too "stuffy" for their own good. Like every captain has to be like Jean Beliveau or Bob Gainey. As long as PK is respected in the room, who can really argue with giving the 'C' to your best player? I agree. Max is more balanced in his interviews but I want passion on and off the ice. Max disappears on the ice for long stretches of time. While BGal never disappears on the ice I think he is too young for the responsibility of the C. Fact is Carey is this teams leader. and while he can't wear the C, he is the Man. I'd take someone who works well with Carey so there is some harmony. I think PK fits that bill as well. The low five when PK was lying in Carey's crease this past playoff sums up their relationship.
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Post by Skilly on May 29, 2015 11:46:51 GMT -5
I really don't think there is a "captain-material" player in the dressing room.
Pacioretty already said on HNIC that he isn't the type to stand in the dressing room and give a speech or get players up.
Subban is too concerned with the highlight reels. As much as we would like to think he is a team first player, I don't think he is. He gets excited for his team mates, no doubt, and he certainly is not afraid to speak his mind. But on the ice, which is the knock on him, he ... well as Mike Babcock said "isn't trustworthy"
Gallagher is a heart and soul guy, but the refs love to hate him.
Markov doesn't want it, if you believe the armchair psychologists
The one guy who, in my opinion, deserves it - Plekanec, gets the knock that he is playoff soft, and his contract is not condusive to being around much longer with the team.
This whole 4 assistants was a cluster-youknowwhat from the start. If we were ever to acquire Eric Staal, (or someone of that ilk) I'd be inclined to give it to him until someone really distinguishes himself on the team. Heck, I'd almost be inclined to give it to Galchenyuk ... but that would be too outside the box.
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Post by Skilly on May 29, 2015 11:50:33 GMT -5
PK hands down, IMO. He's the face of the franchise, the best player, and the most passionate. I actually think putting the 'C' on him would temper some of his bad habits and tendency to have poor discipline. The Habs are sometimes a bit too "stuffy" for their own good. Like every captain has to be like Jean Beliveau or Bob Gainey. As long as PK is respected in the room, who can really argue with giving the 'C' to your best player? I agree. Max is more balanced in his interviews but I want passion on and off the ice. Max disappears on the ice for long stretches of time. While BGal never disappears on the ice I think he is too young for the responsibility of the C. Fact is Carey is this teams leader. and while he can't wear the C, he is the Man. I'd take someone who works well with Carey so there is some harmony. I think PK fits that bill as well. The low five when PK was lying in Carey's crease this past playoff sums up their relationship. I dunno, the Habs supposedly got rid of the cliques and amigoes ... dont want any more country club type atmopshere
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Post by seventeen on May 29, 2015 12:20:06 GMT -5
Here's some outside the box thinking (not). Why not let the players vote on it? That will take away all this angst.
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Post by CentreHice on May 29, 2015 12:25:09 GMT -5
I think I recall Bergevin saying (in his post-season presser) that they're not going to have the captain selected by player vote.
Pacioretty is likely the best bet, considering the points made in this thread.
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Post by HFTO on May 29, 2015 16:12:27 GMT -5
PK despite the lack of respect from the haters and refs ..... I think he may only get that respect back from the refs if be is appointed captain by the org. Patches although much more improved IMO woul have a much harder time media wise. PK plays the most and all around pts aside is the best player aside from Price.
HFto
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Post by CentreHice on May 29, 2015 19:12:03 GMT -5
Sure would be a clear message not only to PK, but to the rest of the league, the media, and the officials if they made him the captain, HFTO. No question about that.
But I can't see MB and MT doing that. Safety first…..
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Post by del on May 29, 2015 23:00:45 GMT -5
ahhh.......the mysterious "other" vote? ?? why it's none other than for Wee Davy Dayharnay. It's so obvious....he is MT's pet vet, 1st line center for life and a permanent fixture on this team. Why wouldn't MT and MB select him, I mean it's not like they give a damn what the fans really think and want.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 29, 2015 23:19:00 GMT -5
As much as I like Gallagher I can't see the organization giving the C to a player that the referees have flat-out told "will never get a call". It ain't right, but if the refs already hate dealing with Brendan I can't see them liking it any more once they have to. I'd lean towards Pacioretty, slightly over Subban. Though either one would be okay by me. Just that Pacioretty seems more "Old School Hab" in his demeanor, which again shouldn't mean anything, but probably does. Or they could go with alternate captains, like they did with Carbonneau and Chelios. PK Subban doesn't get the calls either, man ... the league seems to have biases towards both him and Gallagher ... I think Pacioretty would make a good captain but he lacks the heart of a Doug Gilmour or a Guy Carbonneau ... honourable mention to Saku Koivu ... Patches carries the team on his back when he's scoring but if he started playing a bit more physically, I think he'd be dominant ... I thought he was developing that way when Chara took him out ... all that aside, he'd do well as captain of the Canadiens ... he's our offensive leader and he plays both ends of the ice equally well ... Subban? ... he can dictate the play, too, but maybe if he had the "C" he'd earn the respect of the league ... if that's what it might take then I'd say give it to him, buuuut ... Cheers.
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Post by oldhabsfan on May 30, 2015 0:36:19 GMT -5
Deserves: Gallagher
Should be in the best interests of the team: Subban
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 30, 2015 7:13:59 GMT -5
Deserves: Gallagher Should be in the best interests of the team: Subban Good to see you checking in, OHF ... Cheers.
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Post by Lord Bebop on May 30, 2015 14:17:53 GMT -5
I checked Markov.... I just think our young core could use a few more years and if placing the the c on someone at this point..he would be a safe guy for the next couple of seasons til he retires( guessing?)
Great thread.... Interesting to hear all the different opinions as their is not a stand alone choice.... I think that's a good thing as well have tons of leadership on this team
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